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I believed that our govt is giving scholarship to foreign students in the hope that they eventually became citizens thereby boosting local populations growth. Fine with me, but govt should reveal how many scholarship were given to foreign students and must not be done at the expense of local students. How many take up citizenship so far? It is still taxpayer money not govt money.

The more I read about this Chinaman issue in Singapore, the more I get disgusted.

Keep us updated on the foreigner issue.

I don’t think they are worried about the votes. Singaporeans will vote for them, then complain about them, then vote for them again.

“Foreign students are given generous living allowances to study in Singapore with their tuition fees completely paid for by Singapore taxpayers while most local undergraduates have to borrow from the banks or work part-time to support themselves.”

do you have statistics? this is a potentially interesting point.

She forgotten to mention Ping pong olympics medal…

“Wu noted that foreign students are usually enrolled in courses such as engineering which demands a proficiency in Mathematics, a subject excelled in by China and Indian students.”

This is because China and India each have 1 billion plus citizens. Compared to Singapore’s citizenship of <4 million. For every “mathematics genius” in Singapore, there are 250 of them in China and India at any one time. How to compare and fight?

http://www3.ntu.edu.sg/lib/ne/lky/raceculturegenes.pdf

This is an article LKY’s views on race, culture & genes.
“Lee has married pessimism, progressivism and
geneticism to produce a vision of a horrible world where every step on the road to progress creates new problems which will drag civilisation down to the depths again – unless the elite takes charge and applies itself creatively and scientifically to overcoming these challenges.”

I have only this to say.
Our Government is spending our money as if it is their money.

Well… I think more should be done for Singaporeans.
If foreigners could afford to study in Singapore, they are rich enough.

aiyo, all that also want to complain, butt itchy is it?? dont u all know that all these foreign students on scholarships are talents themselves in the first place..we dont just bring in anybody to study here if they dont qualify , isnt it?? it’s a numbers game, u lose some , u win some..hopefully we win and they become residents n stay here to contribute.
today’s talents are spotted all over the world, from fields of sports to sciences to arts. even in football, they are groomed from young if they show the raw talent n living expenses paid for by their clubs besides studies n training. all these in the hope that they will be of assets in the future to the clubs….get it?? coming to the world of corporates, talents are headhunted n offered an attractive package to join…..
so where does it all start? at a young age of cos!! we have no resources except for humans, but only limited in such, raw talents are hard to find, so we need to outsource to entice them here to put their future here…..
and even if we dont start early, they will be grabbed up by other countries like australia, uk, usa or such…
another way to look at it from a macro viewpoint is that even if they dont stay, all is not lost….these are the top talents from other countries…one day, they are going to be top decision makers for their companies or countries….yeah, u got me?? this is where guan xi or connection plays a part as for singapore businessmen to tie up easier with ex classmates from uni times..suddenly doors are opened faster and businesses are tie up easier as the trust is there if they have kept in touch…..
so, does singapore really lose even if they dont stay?? think again….time to get our thinking a bit further than the little comfort zone we in

at this rate, more sgreans will leave. so much about getting them to stay. what is the gov doing? we are not NOT not like usa where we have tons of unis. if they wanna do this, maybe they should set up more uni for locals.

Replying
Anonymous on Thu, 6th Aug 2009 8:48 pm

We are talking about taxpayers’ money.
Do what you want with your own money as, when and how you please.

interest free loan for overseas study?

Taiwan has low interest loan from the govt for that.

and taiwanese has more monies than us for retirement.

Being fresh out the army, I decided to enroll into the special terms NTU offered. On the second term, I was involved in a game design course. While forming our group, I invited a China national in that course to join us.
So we had a group comprising of 3 singaporeans and 1 china national. Guess what, the china guy was not there at all the meetings. Work…nil, contribution…nil, we did not ostricize him, mind you, he just didn’t appear no matter how much we called him up. Furthermore this guy is on a scholarship.
I don’t doubt their abilities, but their work ethics…. bah, call me a xenophobe but I will never work with another china guy again. Bah, good taxpayers money for this kind of talents…. I rather bury my money. I have a higher chance of it bearing fruit that way.

“it’s so racist to say that chinese and indians excel in mathematics and singaporeans are better in arts and commerce.
RACIST CHINESE SHOULD BE BANNED FROM SINGAPORE!
THEY ARE A THREAT TO THE MULTI-RACIAL SOCIETY IN SINGAPORE!”

While it is debatable whether original statement is true, what is so racist about it? Unless you have a prejudice that mathematics = superior, arts and commerce = inferior.

This is an utterly, utterly a disgusting behaviour of such a foreigner asking for more from us. What a childish thinking. You cannot deny why Singaporean do not welcome a such foreigner like 吴静娴. She is a foreigner who does not know how to respect us, the owner of Singapore.
What can Singaporeans get from all of the foreigners coming to Singapore to take away their rice bowl? Do you think Singaporeans will get any money out of their salary? No never. It is the govt that takes your money. Please do not ask for more, foreigners. You can enjoy the security in Singapore while earning good hot cash in the expense of the Singaporean male who need to serve National Service that earn peanuts during the service. If you are so grateful to Singapore, why not join us.
By the way, it will be silly for the govt to take up more of your suggestions. They are shooting at their own feet, aren’t they? Think before you write any more words to the Singapore state media. This is because you are creating more hate. Thank you.

this PRC student writer is talking C**K. I work in china and I do understand the general/typical chinese mentality pretty well. Those who go overseas can’t really make it locally in their Gaokao (uni entrance exam) and can be considered second rated. So, if our sg wants to give them “free lunch”, why not? the chinese will eat and after that, go their own way. All this talk about promoting sg in the programs are crap. I’m here for 2 years and never really hear much on sg in their CCTV news, nevermind, promoting singapore to the chinese people. Even our idea of promoting eco-city in tianjin are just “talk” only in the chinese mind because the chinese are saying amoung themselves that they only see “words” only so far and have not seen the “money” coming in yet…..

Singapore need to import talent in to replace talented locals who migrated out or chose to work in better, richer and larger countries. China has millions of jobless undergraduates so Singapore has no lack of foreign talent from China to choose from. India also got a lot of talent. The best ones go to silicon valley, united kingdom and australia to work and study while the leftovers go to singapore and other second rate universities.
Singapore universities no big deal because not even in top 100 lists of universities globally. Only top 100 in the 1 or 2 surveys ST dares to publish. Naturally middling universities can only attract mediocre foreign students.

miake said: There’re just too many China pple around in Singapore nowadays. They can’t ALL be uni students on scholarships! Having them around totally degrades the standard of living here. Rude, inconsiderate China pple!

What standard are you talking about? With the famiLEE in power and sinkaporeans eating left over meals and plain bread, you still die die want face and standard?

Giving scholarships to attract bright foreign students from China, India, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam and other countries in Southeast Asia to come to S’pore is an ingenious “one stone kills many birds” scheme. Here are few of the good effects.

1. They are valuable human resources who can help us to support & grow our economy. E.g. their talents will definitely help grow S’pore companies that they join after they graduate. Some of them may have business connections back in their homeland, and they can help our local businesses venture into these foreign markets and create more businesses between the countries.

2. They help to strengthen S’pore diplomacy with these countries. As brought up by Wu Jingxian, they will become ambassadors to market S’pore to the world. The culture exchange between locals and the people of these countries help to reduce our differences and lay the common grounds for us to work together in win-win situations. Some of these students may also one day become leaders in their own countries. It’s always easier to resolve international issues if the country leaders or their children have studied or are studying in our schools.

3. They help to improve the global ranking of local schools and universities. Other than winning numerous awards and accolades for our local schools, they also give the best real-life competition to our local students and prepare them to take on the challenges in the real world when they graduate. Furthermore, they help to promote S’pore as a global learning hub which will attract more foreign students all over the world to choose to come here to study. Education is a big business that can rakes in big money for our economy. Even M’sia is cooperating with Chinese universities to open branches there so that the Chinese students can have the option to study in M’sia.

4. They help to enrich S’poreans monetarily and culturally. E.g. supporting our housing demand and preventing the prices from falling, contributing to our depleting CPF pool, introducing exotic food, ideas and etc. Even many ex-S’poreans could have benefited from these foreign students as they form a substantial portion of the buyers and tenants for the property market.

5. They are a source of potential young aspiring citizens (inter-marriage, job opportunity, security, better life here, etc) to
i. resolve the acute problem of brain drain in S’pore.
ii. arrest the negative trend of declining and greying population.
iii. counter-balance the unhappiness in certain group of S’poreans
iv. keep the ruling party in power and ensure continued political stability.

With so many benefits to the country and the ruling party, why do you think S’pore gov should curb the increase in foreign students coming to study in S’pore?

walao ehh. dont want give locals. instead go give all the foreigners. Confirm like not all these foreigners will stay also,(even stay also dont want them).. so govt how?? just burn the citizen’s $$ like that?? by giving away scholarships??

what about the locals??? dont we citizens have any priorities compared to them??

@Fairplayplease,

1..Why should S’pore bond all the foreign scholars? Like you said, most of these scholars are not the best in their countries and some of them may even turn out to be mediocre only. Although S’pore gov gives out many scholarships, S’pore should only be interested to retain the true ‘gems’ who are not detected by the selection system in their own country. Of course the scholars are smart people, no one is denying that, and they will know how to bargain with S’pore gov on the terms required to keeping them here. I do not know what the gov will offer these ‘gems’, do you? And do you think talented people come cheap? Simply take a look at S.League, how many world-class football talents have been found locally? Then take a look at the major football leagues in the world. Do the top football clubs take in only home-grown players in their team? What are the transfer fees of the top players? Do you see any loyalty to their clubs? After this simple explanation, is your mind clearer now?

2..Stern Hu is a rather poor fellow. Perceived people will know he is just a sacrificial lamb in the fall out between China and Australia due to the collapse of the Chinalco-Rio deal. How many successful ‘Stern Hu’ had helped to turn around BHP Billiton and other Australian companies during the previous crisis? If MM had Chinese scholars like Stern Hu as his advisers, S’pore might have reaped huge returns like BHP Billiton or might not have invested in Suzhou at all. What mystics and reality? I think it’s you who need to reflect on your bigoted views of the foreign scholars. How do you know that “Nobody of foreign origin receiving our scholarships are doing us a favour”? To make such sweeping statement, you must be either holding a high position in the government with access to this privy information or spouting bullshit from your mouth.

3..I’m sure you must have graduated so long ago that you have lost touch with the academic achievements of our universities. There were so many news reports on the international awards and accolades received by the student teams from our universities. Do you know that many of the team members were foreign scholars? Without these foreign scholars, do you think S’pore universities can achieve their current international ranking?

4..Thankfully, you have no issue on the foreign students enriching S’poreans monetarily and culturally.

5..iii & iv..How do you know that there are no Singaporeans helping China gov to balance the unhappiness of her citizens? Do you have connection to the China top officials or are you working in MFA under George Yeo? Why do you consider this kind of help as interfering in domestic politics? Anything that is good for the ruling party will not be considered as interference, get it? Although you know quite a lot of past political events, you seem quite lacking in the knowledge on how politics work, and yet I see you gave load of comments on every issue brought up by the articles on this website as if you know everything. For the benefit of this site, maybe it’s better for you to just stick to commenting on economic issues, which I think is your forte, and those topics that you have true knowledge of.

Can I know whether you are agreeable to the many other points in my previous comment since you have not touched on them? And why do you restrict your derogatory snipes at only the China scholars while leaving out the India and Asean scholars? Do you have an axe to grind with them?

Don’t you find the definition of “JIA SAN DOU SHI WAI DER” applies more aptly to you for selectively criticising on the China scholars only? Maybe the WISE Chinese man is actually talking about you, and you are still BLUR like sotong.

Hei Shi Bai on Tue, 11th Aug 2009 6:49 pm… Greetings…

JUST FOR THE RECORD OF TRUTH FOR YOUR INFORMATION. I did a post in this forum recently and I quote the law reference

Netizens scoffed at complaint of PRC visitors being treated shabbily by locals
Fairplayplease on Wed, 5th Aug 2009 4:11 pm

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/MRTA/toc-Z.html

ASK your own intelligence, how did I came to know so many PRCs are in entanglement with Australian immigration law??

I met a lot of PRCs in Sydney who wants my help financially and sorting out their social and adjustment problems in handling bureaucracy in a foreign environment. I HELPED A LOT OF THEM WITH CASH AND TIME.

That is why I know so many of them got in trouble with the law and some of them are unscrupulous of conduct until I decided I don’t want to get involved with this mob anymore. I STILL HAVE A LOT OF GOOD PRC friends in Sydney and in China.

IF YOU THINK I AM BIGOTRY AGAINST CHINESE, I THINK YOU NEED TO SEE A SURGEON SOON AND BUY YOURSELF A NEW FUCKING BRAIN.

My guess to the above question is:

We are not an attractive place to study.

That’s why we need to pay people to come here.

You don’t see that happening in the US/UK.

The rich chinese pay their children to study in elite boarding school or colleges to eventually get a place in Harvard/mit/Cambridge/oxford.

They made it there so they must be good. Yet their parents still pay all the way.

Why are we not at that level when we pay our leaders so much?

Another English speaking country, Australia, doesn’t need that kind of scheme to get good people.

Also, if you go to Harvard/MIT etc and compare the Chinese students they attracted there and the ones we attract here in Singapore.

You don’t even need to look at the grades (since they are not written on their face), you just look at them, a much higher proportion of them looks like movies stars.

How come we are paying to attract that kind of material?

Your guess is as good as mine.

Singapore is not attractive because of PAP.

@Fairplayplease,

1… Do you have hard evidences to support that most if not all foreign scholars pack up and leave S’pore upon graduation (disappearing as in your own word)? My observation is many of them are working in S’pore for at least a few years after their graduation. Do you have serious myopia problem to not observe this? My statement on “their talents will definitely help grow S’pore companies that they join after they graduate.” is equally applicable to any talented people who join and work for S’pore companies. Do you mean talented people cannot help grow the companies that they join? Then, how can they be considered as talented? Didn’t I mention that S’pore should retain only the ‘true gems’? I think your eyes must be obscured by something if you cannot see the ‘true gems’ statement that was in my previous post. Please wipe your eyes clean and read carefully what I wrote.

I can see your mind is still unclear on the relationship between S’pore and the foreign scholars after reading my S.League explanation. Foreign scholars are like the top football players bought over by the clubs (i.e. S’pore) to help them win games (i.e. contribute to our economy, strengthen diplomatic ties with other countries, etc). We should give them time to experience life here and let them decide for themselves if they want to stay on permanently after that. Do you believe that tying the foreign scholars down with bonds and forcing them to slave for S’pore companies will help to breed their loyalty to S’pore? I think this method cannot even work effectively on the Bangladesh workers. The ancestors of most S’poreans also came here from different countries to work for a living, and some of them later chose to settle down here while others decided to go back to their home countries. Did your ancestors come to S’pore and immediately declare their absolute loyalty to S’pore? In reality, I know of many cases where the people worked and lived here for decades but still decided to leave so they can die in their birth country. I’m only slapping your muddled head lightly to help you clear up your mind lah.

2.. “FAR FROM OPTIMALITY OF ACTUAL OUTCOME” means something must be lacking or missing from achieving a win-win situation. Without good understanding of the foreign country and good connections with the correct people, do you agree that it will be more difficult to achieve business success in any foreign countries? These are 2 important factors which the foreign scholars can help S’pore companies. You can disagree with me if you believe that outsiders can know more about a country than her people. If getting the foreign scholars to assist S’pore companies to achieve win-win outcome is wishful thinking, it’s little wonder why you said you need to deal with many realities when you were working in China.

It’s just Stern Hu’s luck to be caught in that situation, and I believe he is an isolated case because China gov is too smart to implicate the other foreign companies and their executives in China. Didn’t I say BHP Billiton made a lot of money from China in the past? How many successful likes of ‘Stern Hu’ work for BHP Billiton? You cannot negate all the successful cases just because of one failure. Furthermore, I’m not implying that S’pore companies are 100% sure to succeed with the help of the foreign scholars, but the companies can at least improve their chances of success with such help.

If everything is difficult and not possible to you, I really wonder how you could help the many foreigners do business in China. Are you afraid of the foreign scholars helping S’pore companies to venture successfully into their home country and diminish the value of your service? I hope you do not harbour such selfish thought.

3.. All the international awards achieved by our universities are real, are you denying the scholars’ contribution? Please don’t belittle our universities ok? NUS and NTU have already proven that they can groom the second best students to clinch awards at international level. Using your analogy, our universities are making waves out of the ripples gathered from the different countries. In term of ranking, NUS and NTU are within top 14 league in the ranking of Asian universities done by QS World University Rankings. NTU’s MBA was ranked 24th and NUS’ MBA at 35th among the top MBA programmes in the ranking by Financial Times.

Of course I don’t know much about you and I’m also not interested about what you have gone through in your life, I’m only commenting on what you wrote here. It’s meaningless to tell me that 95% of your adult life is relating to foreigners to show that you are not a bigot, because one could easily survive as a hypocrite in a foreign country. Did you mention anything about India and other Asean countries in your first comment to me? I can only find your remarks on China scholars and China, and they do reflect your line of thought on China and her citizen. How should I know your STATE OF MIND? Whether you are thinking from your brain or from your ass is a mystery that I absolutely have no interest to know. I’m not a bigot, so I don’t see being called ‘alien’ or ‘foreigner’ has any much difference. Do you feel offended when you read many posts by people calling S’poreans as ‘Sinkies’ and Singapore as ‘SinkaPoor’?

Hmmm… who said that S’pore scholarship is not adequate to the satisfaction of the foreign scholars? Aren’t you the one who is growling here? Did I completely misread your comment? First, you declared that “Nobody of foreign origin receiving our scholarships are doing us a favour”, and now you try to wriggle around by adding a qualifier ‘IF blah blah blah…, you all can collectively refused the gift’. I nearly spat on my computer screen after reading this. Why change a declaration statement into a conditional statement? Even if the condition is fulfilled, you still do not have the right to make such sweeping statement insinuating all foreign scholars are ungrateful lot. By your reasoning, S’poreans who took rebates from the gov but are still unsatisfied should collectively refuse the rebates altogether, and those who took the rebates should lap up to all gov policies or else they are considered as ingrates. If I don’t call this bullshit, I don’t know what to call it.

How did you link me to being ‘emotional’? Everyone can see that you are the one who is typing many sentences in BIG cap here. So now you want to portray yourself as a victim under attack when it is you who threw diatribes at me first. I hope you don’t try to play dead next.

5…You talk as if you are the actual host inviting the foreign scholars to S’pore… For your mannerism, I don’t think many foreign scholars dare to become your guests. Are you absent minded? It is you who said the foreign scholars are interfering in the local politics, not me. Do you know any foreign scholar demanding a right to interfere with S’pore politics? I only said that S’pore gov increases the intake of foreign scholars to counter-balance the unhappiness in certain group of S’poreans and it benefits the ruling party. The reason is the scholars who decide to become citizen later will most likely vote for them.

Sigh… didn’t I say “I THINK is your forte”? I’m not pretending to know you and I’m not interested to know you either. I was trying to tell you that your comments on economic issues are more worthy to read. Therefore I suggested you to contribute to this website in the area that you have true knowledge on and not put down your comments in every article acting like Case Trust. You may think you are a big asset to this website by ‘stamping’ your approval on every article, chastising readers who have different views from you and heaping praises to those who concur with you, but I seriously believe many readers are put off by your wanting behaviour and have refrained from commenting here. Yes, it’s my fault to give you a misfitting ‘tall hat’ as I should have known better that you have a much BIGGER head than the ordinary people.

Since only now then you tell me your criticism is RELEVANT to ALL foreign students, you cannot fault me for saying “JIA SAN DOU SHI WAI DER” applies more aptly to you in my previous post. I hope you didn’t say it in a rush to do damage control. The situation now is you did not bigot against a particular group of foreign scholars, but you have bigoted against the ENTIRE foreign student population in S’pore. I’m quite convinced by now that the WISE Chinese man was indeed referring to you when he told you the phrase because it matches you so perfectly.

Do I need to throw mud and dirty my hands? By saying your criticisms are relevant to all foreign students in S’pore, you have already sunk yourself in the deepest part of the mud pool.

Why do you need to post further clarification on the statement about your bigotry view against Chinese when you have already said that you are criticising all foreign students and not just the China scholars? Truly sorry that I cannot verify your encounters in Sydney or whether you have any true friends in China. You should just save this desperate effort and spend more time to think how you can extradite yourself from the deep hole that you have just dug. My advice is you should stop spouting any more bullshits or you’ll get drowned out more quickly.

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to Hei Shi Bai:

I don’t believe it is important not to jump to conclusions.

It is fine if you think what I comment on is not important.

I have my fans here.

We have been restricted in so many ways by PAP but they don’t follow the same rigor in the way they deliver their responsibility.

There are so many people who agree with what I write because it is evidently true.

And the best part of this blog is… you can tell me that I am wrong and you won’t get sued till you are broke.

I also don’t need you to go through that.

I don’t think s’pore needs that.

Let’s be clear also:

a scholarship in S’pore is not a scholarship in what the western world would mean.

It is actually an exchange.

A small sum of monies in exchange for 3 years minimum of your time to work in a probably undesirable (statistically) place.

It is actually slavery in the guise of glamor.

And I think it is the primary source of reasons why our bright native students are not pushing through strong political changes in Singapore unlike the other part of the world.

LKY was brillant in this regard to secure his power to the detriment of positive change in Singapore.

@ Hei Shi Bai on Wed, 12th Aug 2009 7:17 pm …greetings

1. You are really fertile of imagination. Staying back a few years will definitely help in our development when in your own words…”most of these scholars are not the best in their countries and some of them may even turn out to be mediocre only…..”- THESE ARE YOUR WORDS, NOT MINE. AND BY THE WAY THE CAPLOCK IS APPLIED TO EMPASISE ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND NOTHING TO DO WITH EMOTIONS. JUST EMPHASIS. You obviously think like every other moronic caterpillars who just could not see anything different but emotional response like your last one. I have dealt with many of your kinds in Sydney who inevitably in a foreign country runs afoul with the law ( you see them on the weblink their names starting with alphabet Z )- long list of name. The good ones I get along fine with. But leaving that aside, I say we sure need a lot of mediocre ones who are probably unemployable in their own country – if nothing, it adds to our population statistics of unwanted guests.

As for your football analogy, it is just another black crow you call white. You mentioned about the lack of loyalty. If all these footballer have loyalty, they won’t be like flies to attracted to rotten broken eggs. It is this kind we expect contributions to our economic development – be it the good ones or the mediocre ones? How amazing of cinderalla story you can tell here. Singaporeans are not niave. And by the way, my ancestors stays here or go anywhere else has nothing to do with this tread. They have never came here on a foreign scholarship, they never beg for money from this country and they owe this country nothing. AND JUST FOR RECORD OF YOUR DUMB ASS BRAIN AND BLIND FOX EYES, can you kindly read my first posting on this thread whether I AM AGAINST giving scholarship to foreigner. I SUPPORT IT BUT ON DIFFERENT GROUNDS OF BELIEVE. AM I BIGOTED OR YOU ARE MORONIC???

Fairplayplease on Thu, 6th Aug 2009 9:13 pm

I don’t see foreign scholarship as a dollar spent – be it and end it all argument. In this Marshall McCluhan’s metaphorical world, it may be correct to think that to receive, one sometimes has to give first – it is the logic of how can you receive with your palm are closed of giving. Singapore would gain if we manages the economic opportunities right to encourage those who received scholarship to invest perhaps their life and future in the development of this country.If we make this place a good place to do business, some good ones will come among the load of “less preferred”. Most of Australia’s wealthiest are not native-born Australians but Australians who were foreign born although most of the Asian migrants until the late 1980s were professionals educated in Australia. IT IS THE OVERALL ATTRACTION THING and packaging the educational scholarship right.

so please DON’T FUCK YOUR BRAIN WITH YOUR DICK WHEN YOU WANT TO ENGAGE IN A SERIOUS DEBATE WITH ME.

3. YOUR COMMENT…it’s little wonder why you said you need to deal with many realities when you were working in China…. show how little you prepared to acknowledge reality. Pepsicola spent 9 years in litigation and pulled out. Coca Cola got entangled in its business relationship with Hangzhou Wah Ha Ha. It has nothing to do with me or foreign scholars (including those from other countries other than China) – it is the business ethics in China – world famous of notoriety of contract violations and if they lose something else, a dirty hand will come to work. Stern Hu will NOT be the last. Another Australian ex-Chinese national doing business with former Deng XiaoPing children and spent several years in Chinese prison after the fact that he won his Hong Kong legal case. The world is not blind – no matter how you want to lie here., my friend. My link in the previous post is not just my view and experience, it is the experience of many Australian business people as well. SO GET THE FACT STRAIGHT AND HONEST AND NOT ATTACK ME FOR BRINGING OUT THE TRUTH IN THIS FORUM.

As for the ranking of NUS, NTU, is that due to the “most of these scholars are not the best in their countries and some of them may even turn out to be mediocre only.. I say one simple last words ” SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT THOSE NOT THE BEST AND MAY BE EVEN MEDIOCRE” LIFT UP OUR UNIVERSITIES STANDING GLOBALLY. The mediocre can’t even lift their own economic survival – is that a fair comment??

As for your comment..”So now you want to portray yourself as a victim under attack when it is you who threw diatribes at me first..” WHEN DID I EVER SAID I WAS A VICTIM??? If you want to come to this blog to debate on any topic and got baby skin and needing mother’s milk to suck, I say to you go back to your mommy’s breast and suck milk. Here we are in debating forum and anybody can disagree with me. You don’t enter a boxing ring, throw punches against my countrymen and expected to be kissed!

And your strange comment now….Do you feel offended when you read many posts by people calling S’poreans as ‘Sinkies’ and Singapore as ‘SinkaPoor’…” you can call any labels you like, i does not matter to me one fucking bit. AS least you know that in my postings here I dont call you “little slit-eye dragon fucking chinese”, wogs. fucking ching cheong, fucking Ah Tiong etc etc. There are plenty of thses sinkies and Sinkapoor labels on the net, why would that bother me???? But I am not bigoted unlike you who feel all worked up to accuse anyone of bigotry just because he disagree with you. IT IS YOU AND NOT ME WHO BRING OUT THE BIGOTRY CLAIMS. TO ME BIGOTRY HAS NO PLACE IN THIS DEBATE. It is just a debate about the reasonable or otherwise of foreigner demanding more scholarship money from my government when my fellow citizens also deserve support, so please stick your bigotry up your arse if you want to debate something serious here.

And then your comment…“Nobody of foreign origin receiving our scholarships are doing us a favour”, and now you try to wriggle around by adding a qualifier ‘IF blah blah blah…, you all can collectively refused the gift’…..

Get it straight into your fucking dumb ass head. YOU ARE NOT DOING MY COUNTRY A FAVOUR BY TAKING THE SCHOLARSHIP. There is no qualifier there PERIOD. As I said, our scholarship not good enough for you, JUST GIVE IT BACK, BRING YOUR PASSPORT AND YOUR BAGGAGE TO THE AIRPORT AND FUCK OFF, DON’T COME BACK EVER. I can said honestly I am thankful to you. Why do you do me a favour and take our scholarship and complain not enough???

And whether I am CASE TRUST or not, is none of your fucking business – not relevant to this argument on scholarship issue for foriegners. You can join in those other thread if you have a view. Otherwise SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH IS MY BEST PIECE OF ADVICE TO YOU.

5. As for domestic politics, until you are a citizen here, you are welcome to vote like us according to your preference BUT UNTIL THAT DATE. IT IS AGAIN NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS. When I visit China, I don;t fuck your mother, got it clear now??

As for JIA SAN DOU SHI WAI DER, it is all too obvious in your post. Black become white just like your moniker here..Fei Si Bai…and if you care to read through the case law examples of the link I gave you earlier – why did the Australian judges – one after and another proved that JIA SAN DOU SHI WAI DER is very steep in your culture. ALMOST 99% OF THE CASES IN THE LEGAL LIST OF SURNAME START WITH “Z” LOST THEIR LEGAL CASE.
Is it not obvious that too many of your kind like you is Hei Si Bai but foreigners here or in Australia or maybe Canadian and US immigration law enforcement agencies are NOT stupid. WE see through your lies.. FORTUNATELY NOT EVERYONE FROM MAINLAND CHINA ARE A DISGRACE TO THEIR MOTHERLAND ABROAD.

Using foreign students to have a company get business overseas is not a sure win formulae.

Openly stepping on your own people and belittling them certainly don’t help the new comers to respect the place.

It actually diminishes the chances of getting the first method to work.

After you have gone through the list of Z names, could you kindly make an HONEST DECLARATION IF

a) the behaviour of your countrymen and women in Australia demanding unlawful legal residents’ rights are a disgrace to your motherland

or

b) Fairplayplease is bigotry

or

c) Hei Si Bai is also a JIA SAN DOU SHI WAI DER, and your conduct of a begging demand on your host country is a disgrace to your motherland.

or

d) Fairplayplease is truthful of his comments.

WE WANT TO HEAR IT LOUD AND CLEAR FROM YOUR OWN MOUTH

@mon on Wed, 12th Aug 2009 9:07 pm …greetings….

Absolutely agree with you….Cinderalla calling black crow white expecting Singaporean to believe them. Good try but tainted reputation all over the world don’t just rub off the truth so easily.

China is a corrupt country?

I am not really interested.

What intrigues me is why are our leadership emulating their culture then?

especially the negative ones.

Every one is paying the price of that in one way or another in s’pore.

Taken from Aesops’ fables:
http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/a/aesop/a3t/a3t_1.html#58

The Goatherd and the Wild Goats

A GOATHERD, driving his flock from their pasture at eventide, found some Wild Goats mingled among them, and shut them up together with his own for the night. The next day it snowed very hard, so that he could not take the herd to their usual feeding places, but was obliged to keep them in the fold. He gave his own goats just sufficient food to keep them alive, but fed the strangers more abundantly in the hope of enticing them to stay with him and of making them his own. When the thaw set in, he led them all out to feed, and the Wild Goats scampered away as fast as they could to the mountains. The Goatherd scolded them for their ingratitude in leaving him, when during the storm he had taken more care of them than of his own herd. One of them, turning about, said to him: “That is the very reason why we are so cautious; for if you yesterday treated us better than the Goats you have had so long, it is plain also that if others came after us, you would in the same manner prefer them to ourselves.”

Old friends cannot with impunity be sacrificed for new ones.

See anything similar?

@Fairplayplease,

1… You must have blown quite a number of fuses in you big head to not understand what I have said. Yes, S’pore should let the mediocre ones go back and keep only the good ones who can help in S’pore’s development. I think your old muddled brain can only see a single line of events, i.e. START-> foreign scholars come -> study-> work a few years-> go back -> END. However, I see them as continuous overlapping chains of events, i.e. old batches leaves and new batches come, S’pore keeps the ‘true gems’ from each batch, little by little… S’pore enlarges its own pool of people with good talent.

I know capital letters in writing mean emphasis. In voice communication, we normally emphasize the crucial points by raising volume, raising pitch or dragging the pronunciation. You should try reading your comments applying these few techniques, either in isolation or combination. I’ll be surprise if people do not mistake you as an escapee from asylum when you speak to them in this way during your day-to-day life.

If I’m still a caterpillar, you must be a dried specimen of a caterpillar stuck in a cocoon. I have also dealt with many of your kind if my life. The lucky ones are living peacefully in asylum while the not lucky ones are locked up somewhere or deserted by their kin.

See… your dumb brain still cannot comprehend my S.League analogy. I used the analogy to show you that there is usually little or no loyalty in these expensive talented footballers to their football clubs. If you agree, then why are you talking about loyalty of the foreign scholars when they have not experienced much of living and working in S’pore?

I know you like to hear Cinderella story, but I think you are too old and corrupted for it. You don’t have to tell me whether your ancestors were smart or poor because I’m only interested to know whether they have absolute loyalty to S’pore when they first set their foots here. This piece of information is crucial to understand your yardstick for measuring loyalty, so it’s relevant to the discussion. The foreign scholars who become citizens later and set up families here are going through very much similar experience of what most S’poreans’ ancestors went though when they came here to look for a living.

Did I ever mention you are against giving scholarship to foreigners? Did I give any negative comments on your first posting which I have no issue with? I’m mostly commenting on your bigotry and prejudiced views against the foreign scholars in your subsequent comments to my postings. Aren’t you the one who is crying wolf now? So please go check if your head is stuck in your ass before you accuse me of anything.

2…If the business ethics in China is so notorious, can you care to explain why their foreign direct investments has been increasing by leaps and bounds in the last 10 years? The US companies which failed badly in the early venture into China are mainly due to the high ego and super-power mindset that they carried with them when they went to China. They thought they knew the country inside out and the Chinese people would lay red carpet and kow-tow to them wherever they go. All these are recipes of failures. So, are you conveniently leaving out the many companies that make millions or billions in China? The Taiwanese and Hongkongers fare very well in their investments in China. How can they be so successful when the Westerners failed badly? So, who knows more about China and have connections with the correct people there?

The world is not blind, but you are half-blind. Now I know what is the object obstructing your eyes – they are bullshits spout from your mouth. You can only see failures and not successes, it’s no wonder you couldn’t see the ‘true gems’ that I mentioned earlier. People see ‘gems’ while you can only see ‘shits’ among the foreign scholars and you still foolishly think you are bringing out the truth in this blog. I have the proof. While I can see the ‘true gems’ helping to lift up the ranking of our universities by winning international awards, you can only see the mediocre who I said S’pore has no need to keep them and you still keep harping on them. From the recent NTU saga, we know that foreign scholars will lose their scholarship when their grades dropped. This is how the scheme keeps only the ‘true gems’ to help improve the ranking of our universities. Go clean your eyes first and read more about the other side of the truth lah.

Yes, you didn’t say you are a victim but you acted the victim when you said that I was having emotional outburst and attacking you for disagreeing with me. If you portray me as a deranged aggressor, doesn’t that make you a victim? Are you trying to wriggle out of this one? I think I still have enough strength to thrash you in the ring, but you seem to be talking quite a lot on milk recently. If I didn’t know that you are an old fart, I may think you have not weaned from milk yet.

Why do you find my comment strange? If you are not offended by being called any labels, then why did you say the Chinese immigration law calls foreigner derogatory term as “ALIENS presumbly came from Mars or Jupiter or some rubbish dumps”? To me, as a non-bigotry person, there is not much difference being called ‘alien’ or ‘foreigner’. I must say I’m impressed by your rich vocabulary of derogatory names to call the China people. If it’s so easy for you to list out so many racist labels that I can’t even dream of, I wonder if you will scold the China people with these labels quietly in your mind when they offended you in business or other dealings. Please walk the talk, you did write the bigotry statement “Nobody of foreign origin receiving our scholarships are doing us a favour” against the foreign scholars. I have to admit I have little tolerance for bigots like you.

Get your facts right, it is not the foreigner demanding more scholarship from S’pore gov, it’s the other way round. As mentioned in the article, S’pore gov sent “officials to China, India, Malaysia, Vietnam and other countries in Southeast Asia to lure their brightest college students to pursue their tertiary education in Singapore.”

If the “IF blah blah blah …” statement is not a qualifier, how do you define a qualifier? I have already asked you who told you that S’pore scholarship is not adequate to the satisfaction of the foreign scholars? Did you know any scholar with real name saying that S’pore scholarship is not good enough? Why don’t you go to the airport, put your big head on the runway track and let some aeroplanes run over it to see how thick is your numb skull?

I feel that it’s quite rude for a reader to run around here acting like ‘CASE TRUST’ when we are just ‘guests’ to this blog with a hospitable host. It will be very embarrassing for the guest to be told off by the host. Do you have any such experience? It’s my kind advice to you, but it seemed to have fallen on deaf ears.

5…I have also asked you if you know any scholars who are demanding a right to interfere with S’pore politics. If you don’t know any, why don’t you just say so?

If Australia is so ever ready to accept with open arms those rogues, swindlers and criminals who have absconded tons of money from China, then don’t blame China for the wolves in their house now. You can try to remove the label “JIA SAN DOU SHI WAI DER”, but it has been stuck quite firmly on you by the WISE Chinese man and I think the worst part is you did not know about it until now.

“(b) Fairplayplease is bigotry” is the closest answer I can find in your multiple choice question. The more correct answer if you asked me is this –

“Fairplayplease, the most foolish bigot, has been crowned the biggest ‘JIA SAN DOU SHI WAI DER’ label by a WISE Chinese man; he is a total disgrace to S’pore.”

Hei Shi Bai :

Well, this one I answer on behalf of fairplay:

//If the business ethics in China is so notorious, can you care to explain why their foreign direct investments has been increasing by leaps and bounds in the last 10 years? The US companies which failed badly in the early venture into China are mainly due to the high ego and super-power mindset that they carried with them when they went to China.They thought they knew the country inside out and the Chinese people would lay red carpet and kow-tow to them wherever they go. All these are recipes of failures. So, are you conveniently leaving out the many companies that make millions or billions in China? The Taiwanese and Hongkongers fare very well in their investments in China. How can they be so successful when the Westerners failed badly? So, who knows more about China and have connections with the correct people there?

It is VERY curious why you omitted Singaporeans from the above list of successful peoples in China.

I don’t know why it gives you the authority to tell us (being Singaporeans and therefore not on your list of successful people in China) how to be successful in China.

Can anyone explains why Hei Shi Bai is not bullshitting here?

Hei Shi Bai :

Well, this one is another one that I answer on behalf of fairplay:

//If the business ethics in China is so notorious, can you care to explain why their foreign direct investments has been increasing by leaps and bounds in the last 10 years?

The obvious answer was the foreigners didn’t know that business ethics was so bad 10 years ago.

That doesn’t mean they didn’t learn now and you might not see that kind of investments into China anymore. Besides, they also don’t have that kind of liquidity anymore.

The Chinese is probably aware of that and wants to come up with their own brands and businesses.

Have we come up with a unique business strategy or we are trying to make up numbers by opening the floor gate to foreign students whom we paid for to come to Singapore.

I just don’t understand why is it so hard to give more options to our own people/students?

I was never this inspired until I got the comments from hei si bai.

He/she is too good.

//Protectionism is not going to help a country or its people. From history, we know that those countries that recruited talented people from others had ended up more successful. In my opinion, the foreign scholarship scheme has its merits, and we should not prejudice against the foreign scholars because of the behaviour and action taken by some of them. The scheme may not be perfect and still has room for improvement, but it’s unlikely to be a plan devised to exploit S’poreans and sell their interest to the foreigners, rather it is to protect the interest of the ruling party based on the points I mentioned in my first post. If you think these points are my wishful thinking, please provide your arguments to counter them. I understand your concerns, but it is a tough act to strike a balance between the ratio of local and foreign students in our universities to make everyone happy about the prospect of S’pore’s future. Hopefully, the increase in the number of new universities to be set up here will help to address the issue.

If setting up new universities in Singapore help resolve the talent issue, why didn’t the earlier leaders think about that?

As i understand it, I give singaporeans more university places, but I charge them. On the other hand, I let in ungrateful students and I pay for their studies and they have no obligations to stay in S’pore (for more than 3 years).

Why wouldn’t that be exploiting singpaporeans students?

Especially when you acknowledge that the best of these foreign students go elsewhere and your best students also go overseas?

I am confused here because have you been nice to your own good students first?

…continuiing. The range of labels I used is just to indicate the kind of offensive vocabulary heaped upon disgusting Chinese in Australia which I DID NOT SAY APPLY TO YOU OR THOSE PRC AS APPROPRIATE. By NOT using those descript is evidence that I am NOT bigotry even if this is a heated debate. As I said bigotry has NO RELEVANCE in this debate.

The line of expression -“Nobody of foreign origin receiving our scholarships are doing us a favour” – is NOT bigotry. There is only two group of scholarship recipients – Singaporeans and those of foreign origin. If I am NOT refering to Singapore, I would be in proper communication of IDENTIFYING scholars of foreign origin – hence the expression noboby of foreign origin – what is racist about this identifier description? Is the word “foreign’ offensive to you? Are you not foreigner but an alien. If you prefer the word alien, just say so.

And since this is my country and not yours, you feel hard done by our lack of hospitality, the airport is open 24 hours, your passport is with you, we don’t detain you like Stern Hu is, go home, alien. We don’t need an argument with alien – JUST PACK AND GO. Why do you insist on staying back when I told you as a host you are NOT welcome for your sick retard mind and thieving mentality. We can do with one less jia san do ser wai der here – just like Australia. We treat you nicer, just politely invite you to go home, Australia dumped you in a detention centre, wait for lawsuit to be over and send you handcuff to the airport until you board a plane. We in Singapore are kind to animals, you know that, don’t you??

Of course, you are right to say, someone tick me off for aggressive humour. I see nothing wrong with that. I do that in business meeting, in business negotiation but once I handshake it is beer on me!!! Big deal. And you – like in China, arrest the negotiator of the other party, accused him (Stern Hu) of spying on imaginery state secret and when cannot find evidence, the accusation changed to “bribery” of Chinese officials. Just like you – Jis San Dou Shi wai der – the accusations keeps adding and changing as this debate drags on – anything usual about your behaviour and those PRC locked up in Australian immigration detention centres???

5…I have also asked you if you know any scholars who are demanding a right to interfere with S’pore politics. .. You see Jia San Dou shi wai der again. initially you claim entitlement to balance up political involvement against those who disagree with government here. Now the storyline change to …..know any scholar demanding a right to interfere in Singapore politic….

IS THIS NOT WHAT YOU WROTE IN QUOTE BELOW

………..”5..iii & iv..How do you know that there are no Singaporeans helping China gov to balance the unhappiness of her citizens? Do you have connection to the China top officials or are you working in MFA under George Yeo? Why do you consider this kind of help as interfering in domestic politics? Anything that is good for the ruling party will not be considered as interference, get it?…..”

What has Singapore politics has anything to do with you?? If this business of ……….” balancing the unhapiness of her citizen” is not interfering with domestic politics? Is the unhappiness of Singaporean a matter of your business?? I keep telling you, when I go to China, I don’t f&@K your mother. Why don’t you accept this is good behaviour of my part as guest. You are a guest in my country. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, STUPID.Any Singaporean “helping China to balance the unhappiness of its people??? Since which day were you born that China invite foreigners to speak up for its disgruntled oppressed people – both Han and minorities. People speaking in foreign press outside China already received condemnation. Chinese Government so democractic – wants Singaporean involvement to balance the unhappiness of its people?? You really can cook up fictions of jai san dou si wai der, is that not true?

AND THIS SICK COMMENT FROM YOUR EVER READY POLLUTING MOUTH….If Australia is so ever ready to accept with open arms those rogues, swindlers and criminals who have absconded tons of money from China,…. tell me who, supply the evidence instead of barking like a deranged dog, send an email to the Attorney General of Australia and copy to the Chinese embassy in Canberra and see if the Chinese Embassy act on your complaint as truth and not rubbish spouting from your mens rea mind.

I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED THAT EVEN THE CHINESE EMBASSY GOVERNMENT MIGHT SEND YOU THIS REPLY.

WHEN DID YOU GET YOUR DOG PREGNANT?

@Sword on Thu, 13th Aug 2009 6:47 pm …Good day, mate…Greetings.

I thought you hit the nail right on THAT dumb head.

@Fairplayplease,

From the nitpicking way of your answers, I can see you are running low on ammunition. I suggest you can knock your big head onto a wall to try breaking it or breaking your big head, whichever is more fragile, into pieces, and you can then collect the pieces to hurl at me.

2… People with self-respect will quickly forget about the derogatory racist terms hurled at them or to other people, or at most remember only few of the more general ones. If you can correctly spell out such a long list in your post with so little effort, it speaks volume about your character. Just as I said in my earlier post, I will not be surprised that you have frequently used them to scold the China people in your big head when they offended you in business or other dealings.

Either it is my English is very poor or your twisted mind is trying to wriggle out of this statement “Nobody of foreign origin receiving our scholarships are doing us a favour”, I still cannot fathom what you are trying to say about it being not bigotry. It’s so clear that we are talking ONLY on the foreign scholars here, so the term “Nobody of foreign origin” can ONLY means the foreign scholars and NOT the S’porean scholars. You have already upgraded yourself from being racist to bigotry when you said your criticisms are RELEVANT to ALL foreign students and not just the China scholars, and you are still so blur like sotong.

If you are NOT offended by being called ‘Sinkies’ and ‘SinkaPoor’, I really have my doubt about your loyalty in calling S’pore as ‘my country’. If you are willing to put your BIG head on the runway track, I’m quite sure many foreign students will be more than happy to be on board those planes that run over it.

Let me guess… you must have a lot of experience being dumped into the detention centre by the Australian gov, and being sent off in handcuff from their airport with many lawsuits still hanging over your big head.

I believe many foreign scholars have already known by now that S’pore is a nice place with many warm-hearted and hospitable people (I’m NOT talking about you, you disgraceful big head!!) and are doing their parts to help the country.

Are you trying to dress up your diatribes and vulgarities as ‘AGGRESSIVE HUMOURS’? I believe not many people can appreciate them except those with your kind of lousy character. Since you like to make this kind of POOR TASTE HUMOURS so often, I will do my best to help you become the biggest butt of jokes on this site, and put you on the highest altar so that all future ‘poor taste joker’ wannabes can come here to worship and pray to you.

You actually don’t have to tell me HOW MUCH of a TIDY FORTUNE you have SAVED on your BEER monies. From the way you argue here and with your attitude, I can easily tell that you have OFTEN been shown the door and asked to go and drink your own PEE. I know these things happen SO OFTEN to you, and of course, it’s really not a BIG DEAL to you anymore, you big head moron.

Just look at the way you describe China gov officials and the “PRC locked up in Australian immigration detention centres”, I’m really puzzled why you are still trying to defend yourself as not being a bigot.

You can accept wholly what the Australia media churned out in support of their government and Rio Tinto, but perceived people already knew that it is Australia that has done a great disservice to China in the Chinalco-Rio deal. S’poreans who have not forgotten how the Australia gov did the same trick to SIA during the negotiation on the lucrative trans-pacific route between Australia and the United States would be clapping their hands now. Only big head morons, like you, are siding with the Australia and speaking down on China.

5… Now everyone should know by now that you are also a big head simpleton. This statement “balance up political involvement against those who disagree with government here” is your own words, not mine. My statement is “counter-balance the unhappiness in certain group of S’poreans” and I have explained to you how it works in my second post to you, i.e “The reason is the scholars who decide to become citizen later will most likely vote for them.” which is how these new citizen can counter-balance those unhappy S’poreans and this will not be considered as interference to the domestic politics. The foreign scholars will ONLY be involved in the S’pore’s politics AFTER they become citizen here, you dumbass. For my question on whether there are S’poreans helping China gov, I’m asking you as I do not know the answer. Even if there are such cases, I do not see why China gov will see them as interference to their domestic politics if they benefit the ruling party.

Your bigotry attitude is a big turn-off to all foreign scholars, and you can only dream of them becoming your guest in you big head. Keep on dreaming.

The only person who is sick here is you and the problem lies in your big head. You must have stuck your head in your ass for too long to help explain why your filthy mouth can only spout bullshits and half-truths. Now, everyone should know that you also have a BIG ASSHOLE.

Didn’t I say there are plenty of China criminals ‘invited’ to stay in Australia with open arms or maybe with opened legs? Why are they complaining about this as a social problem now? Of course I know China gov is negotiating with Australia gov for their extradition. I believe China will be more than happy to accept these criminals back but ONLY IF Australia returns them together with all their loots. Only BIG dumbass like you will think China is stupid enough to take back only the criminals and leave the loots in Australia.

To think that you are so proud of your evidence on a “LEGAL LIST OF SURNAME START WITH ‘Z’”, I really have my doubt about you genuinely helping the China people stranded in Australia. Maybe, for all we know, you are a double-crosser who sold out the ‘dark secrets’ of many of these poor China people to the Australian gov while pretending to offer your help to them. If that is true, I must say you are very daring to go around here smirking and boasting about the list. I think you are not just a bigot and you should be more correctly called a bigotry racist person. You should be fed to the dogs for good.

Hei Shi Bai on Fri, 14th Aug 2009 7:26 pm …Greetings.

You are such a patronising whore claiming loyalty for Singapore when you are not even one of us. I am sure you tell all your kind that your sh@t coming out of your mouth instead of your arse hole is longer then the Great Wall of China. BUT IT IS EXPE CTED FROM Hei Si Bai ( Black is white) ,Your mom is a prostitute like so many of your kind in Geylang, Joo Chiat and all over the world and you claims virginity. Why do you stay when nobody here wants you anymore?
Your English superior? Only you believe in your self-delusion. Your only achievement in this debate is as what you describe in your wonderful English – only three words…” let me guess” – no facts and no evidence. And when humiliated to ask to view evidence of conduct of your kind on the “Z” lists, you bullshit runs out of ammunition, so attack the author’s mateship beer drinking which is only very naturally Australian. Of course, a frog like just come on from poor countryside of China would not understand foreign cultures. Just like your Government arresting foreign citizen and even your own for lost opportunities in business, selling melamine-infected milk for baby consumptions, prostitutes all over the world, and rorting foreign immigration law and social security cheats – you and a portion of your kind beats description and competition of no comparable measue anywhere in the world. IT IS ALL IN FOREIGN LEGAL RECORDS – nothing to be shame about, the more it is, the more foreigners will get used to your shameless balck is white behaviour, just like you here.
Just like your black is white Government treatment of Rio Tinto, the allegations against Stern Hu changes as the weather changes. Australians must think that they are really doing business with aliens with alien morals and integrity which is described by your well chosen moniker Hei Si Bai. Maybe all your crow in China is white – everywhere in the world, natural science say is black.
YOU MUST BE RIGHT FOR CHINA – no wonder Chinese people have to hang their head low in shame in foreign countries. And for that can I say loudly

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! Hope your mother earns more money in Geylang so that you need not need our scholarship money and DON’T NEED TO ENGAGE IN YOUR PEE BRAIN DEBATE WITH ME AND OTHERS HERE.

I never suggest that we need to restrict our best students to study in Singapore.

I am saying that our best students are not studying in Singapore universities because they are not good.

They are not good because the environment that they are submitted is not good.

the environment they are submitted was not created by them but the govt.

I don’t know why you think I am insulting our earlier leaders.

I am saying that letting foreign students in for free is not the real intention of the current leaders.

Their intention is to provide support to the CPF system.

They need to do that because their investment record created a huge gap that they need to cover.

I agree that it is difficult to estimate the exact number of hen houses that a farmer possibly need. Actually he would probably stuff as many as he can into a house.

This is one additional reason why I don’t think your wishful thinking would work because you are handling a human intellectual issue using the methods you would use on a hen.

I don’t know why you think your mindset is applicable/transferable.

In case, you work for the university or the education ministry or the civil service, I would like to indicate that I have explained what is wrong with our universities.

If you cannot get it, I am sorry.

I think it is the environment that you are in, that blinds you.

No amount of explanation would satisfy your query.

Besides, it is not my job to do your job.

In the spirit of this blog, I don’t believe in the constructive criticism shit that the PAP promotes to get people to do the work it should be doing given it is paid so much.

//The only thing you will achieve is doing a big favour to the ruling party by showing to all S’poreans the narrow mentality of pro-opposition people. The article has in fact given one hint on which tree you should be barking at and don’t ask me where it is.

I don’t think pap needs to consider my opinion as you indicated in your earlier posting that my opinion doesn’t matter.

I don’t think PAP ever will consider Singaporean opinion until they know they are losing the elections.

That’s what happen in the last elections.

I don’t need to show PAP whatever about my mentality.

I am a voter and they are my servants. They should be the one listening.

They are not listening because they don’t need to.

Of course, things might change and we are all waiting.

//The reality about the foreign scholars in S’pore is they are allowed to go back to their countries if they decide not to settle down here. The foreign scholars can leave or stay at their own discretion after considering all the same factors that S’poreans’ ancestors went through before they decided to stay here. S’pore should encourage and not force the good talented scholars to stay.

This one I hope sword doesn’t mind I take it.

I think this is an excuse by the govt to shower on these foreign students huge gifts as “encouragement”.

It is ok if our govt are good to their citizens by handling the reserves well and treating their citizens fairly.

However, they are not and the above is not acceptable.

@ mon on Sat, 15th Aug 2009 5:41 am …greetings…..when people are uncomfortable with CONFRONTED WITH THE FACTS, HARD EVIDENCE AND TRUTH, what is their escape route….right from the lies of mind and mouth

………”Let me guess… you must have a lot of experience being dumped into the detention centre by the Australian gov, and being sent off in handcuff from their airport with many lawsuits still hanging over your big head………….”

The MIND IS VERY CLEAR AND EXPLICIT…..summed up by three words

“Let me guess…..”

Notice that there is a pause there “………” THAT IN A COURTROOM CROSS EXAMINATION WILL BE PICKED UP BY THE JUDGE THAT HE IS PAUSING FOR A MOMENT TO INVENT SOME HUGE CONCOCTION OF LIES AND FABRICATION. He has already been caught guilty as charged of lies and deception needing to invent falsehoods as he goes on to cover his track.

And true to form of exposing his perverted thought of lies fabrication, he even imagined AND UTTTERED IN ALLEGED EVIDENCE that…….” I have a lot of experience being dumped into the detention centre by the Australian gov, and being sent off in handcuff from their airport with many lawsuits still hanging over your big head….blah ..blah…blah…”

In his mind, Australian Government likes to dump me into detention many times…and then send me off to the airport (on each occasion after bringing back from the airport to detention again I presumed???? It is a bit funny of wayang there right???) and then sent off in handcuff…with lawsuits still hanging over my head….”.

I thought that was AMUSING… he might be confusing Australia with HUMEROUS China where you lost a commercial deal like Rio-Chinalco fallout…you quickly arrest and charge the foreign negotiator like Stern Hu and his team of 3 Chinese locals and guess what

a) charged him for stealing “state secret” which could be telling Chinese negotiating…stop farting in the negotiation room…farting is also a state secret,poor Stern Hu does not know.
and after political slap in the face from Australia and weeks later, and just like the weather CHANGED IT TO THIS REAL FUNNY CRIME – TWO PARTS NOW

b) The ludicrous nature of the charges against Hu and his colleagues was highlighted this week when Beijing released details of the arrest warrants, with accusations that completely contradicted earlier messages being funnelled through its propaganda channels.
Hu now stands accused of ”improperly obtaining secrets” about China’s steel industry and receiving bribes from industry executives.
How does that work? How do you obtain the secrets and the bribes?

http://business.smh.com.au/business/stern-warning-for-australias-future-relationship-with-china-20090814-el4j.html?page=-1

The sun must be rising in the west London of truth and set in
the East of lies in Beijing…..just like the charcterisation summed u[ by the imposter called Hei Si Bei which I nicely called Jia San Dou Shi Wai Der.

IT IS A PERFECT DESCRIPT BECAUSE IN CHINA CROWS ARE WHITE, in true nature, all crows are black as even found in Chinese wisdom saying – the difference is that in China LIES IS EQUAL TO TRUTH IF THERE IS ANY FINANCIAL GAIN OR MILEAGE TO EXTRACT TO ADVANTAGE.

Any surprise. mom????

@ mon on Sat, 15th Aug 2009 5:41 am …greetings…

I would be the ultimate peril of our national tragedy and the pinnacle of niavety to give a scholarships to the likes of Hei Si Bai or Jia San Dou Ser Wai Der whose minds are so deviously nuanced of decent thoughts and conduct whilst demanding more scholarships for themselves and our deserving students anguished in pain of poverty and deprivation. We are tax-payers contributing. It is not even a case of NO level playing field but a field OF DEPRIVATION at the instigation of those who professed false is truth AND BEHAVES IN THE PUBLIC ARENA LIKE THIS FORUM IN EXACTLY THAT.

It is called strategies number 30 – CHANGING THE ROLE OF GUEST INTO HOST

http://afpc.asso.fr/wengu/wg/wengu.php?l=36ji&no=-1

IT IS THIS ANCIENT DECEPTION AND DEVIOUS.

No wonder you hear so often talking to foreign businessmen complaining…THE INSCRUTABLE CHINESE… THAT LEAVES ME ASHAMED working with them.

The way I see it, yes we need foreigners, yes I’m xenophobic.
Why we need them ? We need people with SKILLS that we DO NOT HAVE or rather we need people to join up with the industry that are LACKING in manpower. ( academic fields etc etc )

But when you have a friend that just lost a job ( paying 1.4K after deduction here and there ) doing office clerical work to a foreign national, what are we getting ourselves ?
Perhaps its my friend who is incompetent… or perhaps the foreign national is just too cheap to employ ( less liabilities too )….

all the govt people are now blogging under the devious title with apparent contradiction like black is white or white is black, or happy is sad, sad is happy.

With that kind of ideas, no wonder when they hand us a lemon, they think they are doing us good.

Any disagreement?

@mon

I’ll further clarify my previous post to you since you don’t seem to get what I’m saying.

You said “If setting up new universities in Singapore help resolve the talent issue, why didn’t the earlier leaders think about that?”

Aren’t you saying, in other words, that our earlier leaders should have the foresight to build the correct number of universities in S’pore in order to resolve the current talent issue? If this is not your intention for that statement, then it’s my fault for misinterpreting you and can you tell me why you said it.

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You can ignore this part if I misinterpreted your statement.

In my view, this statement insulted our earlier leaders who had done a lot to build the education system in S’pore. So, I use the analogy of the chicken farm to explain how difficult it is to project the size or number of schools and universities required.

If our earlier leaders built too few universities, we could progressively build more school to meet the rising demand over the year. This is the method done in S’pore, which resulted in the current shortage of university places for the local students. The remedy now is to build more university. If you want to say it is too late and that the earlier leaders had no foresight, then you need to answer honestly whether it is easy to estimate the number of henhouses to build at the initial stage during their time when there were no computers.

If our earlier leaders built too many universities, and we do not have demand to fill up these universities now, then S’pore gov will have to tear down the extra universities as it is very costly to maintain and operate them. Tearing down extra henhouses will definitely take much less effort and less cost than tearing down extra universities. If this situation did happen, what will the people said about the earlier leaders?

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From your reply, I see that you actually know what tree you should attack at, but you do not know where it is. Foreign scholarship scheme is the wrong tree.

Even if Singapore universities are among the top in the world, S’pore should still send their best students to other top universities to gain different experience and build up connections with these countries and its people. The benefits of studying in foreign university are covered by some of the 5 points in my first post – just switch role of the foreign scholars with S’pore scholars, and local universities with the top foreign universities.

On the ungrateful scholars (I’m not talking about any foreign students, but only those on S’pore scholarship), please read in my previous comment that they do not have the ‘UNGRATEFUL’ word stamped on their foreheads, so the selection process has to be refined every time when there are more understanding of these foreign students. No country is so stupid to take in ungrateful people as scholars if this info can be known beforehand.

I agree with your comments on the CPF portion.

I do not know about the information on the failure of the foreign student free education in France, Germany, Japan and Russia. Can you share with me the source?

There are many criteria for the scheme to be able to work. An important one is S’poreans should not prejudice against the foreign scholars.

I’m fully aware that S’pore students, just like the foreign scholars, know where they want to study. The key consideration I will think is the opportunities (PR, job, marriage, etc) available for them after their studies.

Please explain “I also don’t know why treating our students better amount to setting a wider quota for the universities.”. Is your “treating our students better” referring to giving them more places in the local universities? If not, what is it?

If you do not believe in contructive criticism, why do you comment on the issues raised on this blog? By publishing the current social/political problems for discussion here, this blog is already doing contructive criticism. I do not see raising problems to discuss as benefiting the ruling party. On the contrary, it shows to S’poreans that there are so much issues outstanding and need to be resolved by the party running the gov (which you rightly said they are paid to do the job for the people) and this reflects badly on them. This blog is doing a good service for S’pore and S’poreans.

I think you may have mixed up the term ‘foreign students’ and ‘foreign scholars’, as not all foreign students are on S’pore scholarship. I’m only talking about the foreign scholars here.

To Hei SI bai:

//Please explain “I also don’t know why treating our students better amount to setting a wider quota for the universities.”. Is your “treating our students better” referring to giving them more places in the local universities? If not, what is it?

Yeah. Treating them well is not just giving them a wider quota. It is a holistic offer. You go figure it yourself. I am not doing your job.

It is still kind of lazy attitude that is weighing down our civil service.

It is feeding off our citizens.

//If our earlier leaders built too many universities, and we do not have demand to fill up these universities now, then S’pore gov will have to tear down the extra universities as it is very costly to maintain and operate them. Tearing down extra henhouses will definitely take much less effort and less cost than tearing down extra universities. If this situation did happen, what will the people said about the earlier leaders?

I don’t think the number of places was an issue. It is the exploitation of our young students for the ruling party and the labels it provided that is hurting us now.

We are poor because of our lack of imagination and audacity.

The quota is set wider now because PAP grand pape wants to drive GDP growth.

With a higher education level, GDP generally (at least in the beginning) grows faster.

Basically, what LKY is trying to do is to push on all the buttons that would drive GDP in accordance to Paul Krugman’s paper on the limits of Singapore’s growth.

And he is reaching the limits of those drivers. Much like a woman who is a A cup trying to looking like C and after some provocation, tries harder to look like D. The resultant is often ridiculuos.

It would be interesting to read a paper on Singapore’s growth by Insead professors in 2000 when they first set up shop in Singapore. Now they have to be quiet because they were probably slammed by the govt.

They cannot pull out because they invested a lot into Singapore. The signs are all there.

That’s why after Insead, a number of other universities refuse to set up shop in Singapore at the last minute.

You can count the list.

The way the whole show is run in Singapore is that the politicans are just creating short term solutions which they are finding harder and harder to sustain, so that the system still looks good while the old man is alive.

His stubborness will lead to the downfall of Singapore after he pass away.

His actions are that of a parent who refuse to let his children grow naturally only to leave the children mental development at say 10 yr old when their body is actually 44 when he passes away.

Then the children will have a lot of adjustments to make.

The ex Malaysian PM did Malaysia a lot more good to Malaysia by stepping down earlier.

mon on Sat, 15th Aug 2009 11:00 pm… Greetings…….

………Everything is badly administered and conceived…..The foreign scholarship is one of them…….

What you said is EXACTLY right. IT IS NOT AN INTER-GOVERNMENT ARRANGEMENT WHEREBY THE SCHOLARSHIP BENEFICIARY, not bonded by Singapore Government is ALSO NOT BONDED by the government of the country of origin which the foreign scholar came from.

If they had been bonded by their own national Government to serve their own national interests – at least there is some certainty that these beneficiary could be assigned to roles/position relevant to that particular country’s connection with the social-political or economic relationship with Singapore. They could, for example, be bonded by their Government ( not necessarily ours) and assigned to be their country’s trade representative in Singapore or their department of foreign affairs or to represent their country’s foreign investments in Singapore to promote investment flows on both ends or assisting Singapore’s investment in their home country.

Right now, THERE IS NONE. The foreign scholar beneficiary could leave as he or she wishes; worked a few years in Singapore for experience build their CV strength and move on to work for a multi-national corporation thereafter which may have nothing to promote or assist in the development effort of Singapore and where they come from. Or they could move on to some IVY league university in US and say bye bye to Singapore -no that this has no legitimacy of their personasl career interests.

It is as you said correctly feeding of our citizen and a nice tool of propaganda bull to say the Government is forging the opportunities for our international development when the reality is something else.

It is totally haphazard. Just like a propaganda bullshit of mission statment… it says NOTHING about what must be done, what MUST NOT be done to make it work and measure up against the mission objective.

Right now, the Government is focussing on short-term not carefully thought-out “solution” of throwing money to foreigners and dreaming that it will (without any connections of some substance of even basic inter-government arrangement) bring flow on benefits to Singapore and that foreign country where the scholars come from.

It has the same effect of blowing out a lighted candle and wondering where the fire has gone and this place is dark of misfortune and failures.

mon on Sat, 15th Aug 2009 11:00 pm… Greetings…….

Right now the Emperor has no clothes, and the concubine is unashamedly demanding favours and “selling sex” to the Emperor on this forum.

Worse outcome is being accused of rape after the seduction.

@mon and Sword

I wish I could stay here longer to engage in some quality discussion with you guys, but my Teacher has chided me for being naughty and decided to recall me back to be with him.

I have already given my views on the foreign scholarship scheme, and I do not think I can add further useful information in this aspect. You guys can use your own judgment to decide whether you still want to continue attacking the scheme.

@Fairplayplease

If given a choice, I will want to continue the debate here with you. No matter what kind of person you are in real life, you should take time to reflect on your disgusting behaviour in public blogs like this one. If you insist to carry on like the way you are doing now, I’m sure there will be someone else to take care of you.

@admin

Please accept my apology if I have caused any harmful effect to your blog which is never my intention. I seek your understanding in this regard. My Teacher has always said my character is a living proof of Newton’s third law, which explains why I get carried away sometimes.

To tell you the truth, I still like the old ‘wayang party’ name more, but you have your reasons to change the site name which I respect. I wish you all the best and keep up the good works.

*this post is meant to be added to the end of the previous post.

I believe it is this group of foreign students who should be embraced by the community. Attracting these students would mean that the monetary incentive of free education should be removed, with additional focus being placed on improving the education environment itself.

Hei Si Bai, stop butting in Singapore politics. As a China national, you have NO RIGHT to comment about Singapore politics. Since you want to meddle in our local politics, let’s talk about how oppressive China is. Your country always talks about how subversive Falungong is. WELL PROVE IT. Nobody has ever seen one shred of evidence proving that Falungong is even a corrupted doomsday cult, let alone that it plans to overthrow the Chinese government. So WHY make such criticisms of them? Is it because they don’t agree with Marxism?

Doesn’t China always say that people should decide their own fate? In that case, GET OUT OF TIBET AND XINJIANG, AND LEAVE TAIWAN ALONE. NONE OF THEM WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR ACCURSED COUNTRY. And what about China’s support of oppression in Zimbabawe and Myanmar? Is this what deciding their own fate is?

And if China is such a wonderful country, why is your government such bloody cowards as to cover-up the fact that SARS originated there, or to play victim when confronted with evidence of your own treachery over melamine tainted milk or lead tainted children’s toys? Explain all these!!!!

I’m sure I’ve got your blood boiling now. GOOD!!!! Now you know what it feels like. NOW STOP MEDDLING IN OUR INTERNAL AFFAIRS!!!! OR SHOULD I REPORT YOU TO THE SECURITY SERVICES TO BE DECLARED PERSONA NON GRATA for meddling in our internal affairs.

@randomnessinmind on Sun, 16th Aug 2009 12:40 pm …Greetings…

Thanks for your post calling for calmer reflections. Of course, Hei Si Bai is entitled to his/her view and I am EQUALLY ENTITLED to refute or dispute it. My original post was disagreement on VIEWS, NOT the person behind that views.

But Bei Si Bai got COMPLETELY EMOTIONAL hurled abuse and not danced around the subject-matter of his expresions.

So I cautioned him on 13 Aug. 9.52 pm that in court of evidence, I hanged him in evidence of truth and falsity.

Guess what happen, the next day 14 Aug. 7.26, he came back, ALL EMOTIONALLY WORKED UP AGAIN… recommenced his abuse…. Let me guess (pause for a moment)…and whole load of imaginative fictions of creation.

I decided I DONT want to debate the SUBSTANCE of the subject-matter with Hei Si Bai and instead related to another poster called “Mon” on 15 Aug. 9.53 am with how funny the “let me guess…” CONDUCT of Hei Si Bai. I did not want to post back to Hei Si Bai that despite (possibly) a scholarship recepient, he is CLUELESS OF HIS STRANGE BEHAVIOUR sending some message to me (and others in this forum) of his level of “intelligent thinking” or “otherwise.

He came back with more abuse.

And finally, i DECIDED on 15 Aug 11.28 pm that I had to tell him bluntly that he is a “good” spider weaving a beautiful cobweb of deceit of argument and when challenged on where it all started, he would not know. That is why I don’t want to debate with him ANYMORE.

It is pointless to debate with EMOTIONS. I am giving him a break so he does NOT humiliate himself any further here.

All said, Randomnessinmind, thank you for all your kind translations in other posts. IT IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. I AM DUMB CLUELESS TO CHINESE WRITING.

No problems at all. I’ll translate for you guys as long as the comment isn’t too long. And if it is too long I’ll just summarize it somehow. Has been doing it someplace else anyways. No need to drop hints anymore, I’ll just translate them if I see them posted in Chinese, would that be fine?

He Shi Bai — Do you have evidence to support your examples provided in your post of 10 Aug?

what benefits have free loaders like yourself given to Singapore? If another country gave you the same FREE LUNCH, you’d be there helping yourself.

So please dont tell us you are doing us a favour by being here

@ Han Solo on Thu, 20th Aug 2009 7:58 pm …GREETINGS..

Might as well said you will wallop every PRC scholar?

Shared with you an eyewitness experience in China. A seemingly nice gentleman approached to borrow mobile phone ostensibly in distress of calling family to arrange transport pick-up as he “lost” his own mobile. Scam of a rogue. One tourist very kind lend his phone to this distressed soul. After calling his “family”, he put the borrowed mobile in his own pocket. The clueless tourist asked if he can now have his mobile back. Guess what the answer is.from the scumbag is .”Is this mobile yours or mine?” A bunch of “observers” laughed. The tourist looked and saw some pull out knives. He backed off – a write-off.

The moral of that experience is – FOREIGNERS NOT PRONE TO VIOLENCE even when scam by scumbags.

PLEASE LEAVE YOUR VIOLENT INSTINCT BACK IN CHINA WHEN YOU COME TO SINGAPORE. We are civil if you don’t mind.