Chorus of Change for Singaporeans: Wake Up Cowardly Singaporeans!
February 3rd, 2010 | 
Author: Dear Fellow Citizens,
This coming Election will be the litmus test. We win or doom!
Do will have what it takes to stand-up in against the PAP?
Are we the Coward of our own misery?
Put aside the carrot now being presented by PAP. Filter through their “rationale” for the real truth of their motive.
Future of Singapore is in your hands!
PAP does not seem to care! –they do not show much compassion and conscience anymore.
PAP watches, controls, dictates and manipulates our minds, our souls and our lives. We seem to live in a Perfect “Truman Show”-PAP style!
Every rationale PAP gives has cleverly guarded insidious motive-their self-interest of perpetuity.
They have everything to live laps of luxuries for their generation and next generation. Yet they do little to listen to the woes and anguish of citizen earnestly.
PAP delivers so-called “enrichment” calibrated to maximum to their leverage to “buy” votes.
They have tremendous wealth-all that they ever needed. They want now, more Power and Prestige! Absolute Power!
What do most of us have! Our frustrations and angst on housing and foreign influx are not heeded earnestly.
Our past, current generation has to suffer for next generation to have something call decent home. This seems more and more unachievable with escalating cost and insidious stranglehold of PAP over nearly every aspect of our lives.
Is that what we want?
Or ARE WE cowards to the extent we cow in fear of every threat of PAP, and sucks to every carrot which they bait us?
I am afraid we are. We will also “prostitute” ourselves for money carrot dangling in front.
It is in our blood-the fear, the cowardice, the greed?
Singapore is NOT Singapore in the FUTURE. PAP is NOT PAP before! Singapore is PAP soon!
The world is its labor-a pool to select increase population and displace Singaporeans at their discretion.
The Elite, Rich and Powerful will dance with the Lions and regale in Absolute Power & Wealth.
What will happen to most of true-bred Singaporeans in the Future?
So we cowardly Singaporeans, please wake up!
We need to band together, stand-up in what we believe! Or we will never have our next generation of Singaporean we called the “true-bred”!
Nation-hood is only a fiction it seems under PAP!
Let vote and vote victoriously for once in our life to make a very powerful statement to PAP!
Singaporeans, do what is right!
Do we want OUR LIVES, or the LIVES PAP wants US to live!!!
Please discuss this serious issue of current and future prosperity with your families and friends.
Everyone do a little bit, together will be a unity of strength of the Nation we seek!
Opposition Parties, please UNITE, do your part for Singapore for Singaporeans!
Voice of Citizen
Posted in Opinion
Count on me Singapore, I am all yours to VOTE OUT PAP!!!
PAP, our voices will be heard.
VOTE OUT PAP!!!
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Most of my friends are not cowardly, they are simply ‘bochap’ (indifferent, don’t care). When I tell them about TR and TOC, they say they are too busy. I think they are too lazy to think. I gave up on them. I don’t need these kind of friends.
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Amen!
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Just being a devil’s advocate (again).
Wouldn’t calling Singaporeans Cowards turn them against you?
We already have MIW calling us sheep, donkeys not hardworking…we don’t need TR to call us Cowards.
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The government is currently trying to show that it is listening to the people and acting.
If you read carefully, the so-called changes are merely cosmetic.
Even so, many sentimental people will be swayed, especially with hand-outs of cash in the near future.
DO NOT BE SWAYED!
If the incumbent is given the same support in the past, we will have to WAIT ANOTHER 5 YEARS before a chance comes to change things.
By that time, there will be more LEGAL BARRIERS to the election of alternative parties.
Do not change your minds, even if the great forecaster gets down on his knees to implore you!
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I was not the 66.6% before and will remain so come GE!
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To the voice of citizen, your call to vote, may we know who should we vote? Opposition, opposition who?
There is no de facto opposition leader who we can align and stand shoulder to shoulder, so how do we fight. Some say Low TK is so lousy and not gutsy, others say Chiam ST too old, Chee SJ too risky, Kenneath Jeyaratnam he is so new and other party who is really quite unknown to the general public, so what should we do.
The bests people can do is anyhow vote without any direction and bring in politicians of all shapes and types and their ability is also so unknown. You tell what should we do?
The best part of all, the opposition don’t come here to engage us and tell us what they intend to do. They make use of the citizens to spin and scream on their behalf and at the end of the day, if they win they get big money as from MP’s allowances and we will be forgotten.
Why don’t you be more objective by telling us who we should vote to become our new MP and why must we vote them too.
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Between Osama or pap, I will vote osama!!!
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one hundred and one persent, will vote for the opposition.
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John Howard was a good leader, but the people were pissed (mainly of his unpopular policy and the perception that he is not interested in the people), so they vote in Kevin Rudd. Hmm. Rudd is not bad too
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Which opposition parties are able to campaign against all these ministers? With all the GRCs having 6 ppl..
and many are unable to cast their votes.. due to those so called walk-over wins..
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#citizenofSG: “Why don’t you be more objective by telling us who we should vote to become our new MP and why must we vote them too”.
Ok then, this is back to square one, that we don’t exercise our individual rights, but merely follow a “superior” leader.
I can’t tell you who to vote for, but you know who not to vote for, so any vote against tells a story. Even though the number is small, but the expressed voice will be heard.
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yes many of my classmates are bochap – they say. just make money and shut up. they say whatever you do is not going to make any difference. they are afraid for their property prices (how successful this threat and brainwashing by PAP is!!). when their own flesh get poked by the PAPie needle perhaps they would think again. sigh…
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If PAP reduces their Ministerial allowance from millions to 10% of it, I may consider voting for them.
Whether I vote for others depends on their credentials, else, I’ll just scrap my vote.
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To Kojakbt on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 4:19 pm
Quite apt.
It’s about people who want change during the French Revolution.
However, I just hope we don’t follow what the French did after that revolution.
To papGreedyPIGS on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 4:25 pm
“Between Osama or pap, I will vote osama!!!”
I’m not that desperate yet.
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@citizenofSG on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 4:24 pm
I would think that we should start by voting a few oppositions in first. The current 2, is a bit too few, and LTK and CST, as you had mentioned, had their drawbacks.
Maybe, if people like K Jayaratnam or Goh Meng Seng are voted in, we can then have a bigger pool of oppositions to see if one of them can emerge as the leader.
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Enough is enough.
If Singaporeans don’t exercise their right to vote against the PAP in next election, I think these people should just stop complaining, I mean what is the point of “cry father cry mother” when you people vote for those MIW blood-suckers and give them the so-called 66.6% “mandate” for them to do whatever they want to deprive truly singaporeans for these FTs? All MIWs care is money and not whether you can afford to buy a HDB flat or are you able to have a job.
Ask yourself? Are you really that short-sighted when these MIWs dangled some carrots infront of you and immediately you forgotten the hardships that you suffered in past 4-5 years and voted for these jokers.
So what MIWs done in recent time after they achieved your “mandate”?
1) Increase GST from 5% to 7%
2) Setting up of ERP gantries all over Singapore
3) Increase of HDB flats price
4) Letting in more FTs into Singapore to snatch Singaporean jobs
All these are done without consulting Singaporeans cause they have your “mandate” to do whatever they want.
Singaporeans should wake up, please do not wait for another 5 years to cast votes against MIW. Take actions while it is still not too late.
What I want is A Singapore for Singaporeans.
I do not want a Singapore filled with PRCs, Indian Nationals, Pinoys, vietnamese, burmese and other FTs.
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@citizenofSG
When pap first started they were all RAW meat (non of the ministers had any experience nor knowledge how to run a country), but now they turn into ROTTEN meat.
Do not give the benefit of a doubt to opposition parties, let them have a share of the pie, for singapore’s future is at stake now!
Anyway its time for a change too.
When any government holds on to their reigns to long, there are bound to have corruptions.
Their millions dollars paycheck is to cover up for any corruption cases in the event they are caught or questions on their assets & investments.
Most of the ministers were not born in singapore that is why they do not care for the future of singapore.
During the bubble times most of the malaysians had an upper hand in businesses in singapore.
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“Good evening, London. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, thereby those important events of the past usually associated with someone’s death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, a celebration of a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat. There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn’t there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who’s to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you’re looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn’t be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor, Adam Sutler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent. Last night I sought to end that silence. Last night I destroyed the Old Bailey, to remind this country of what it has forgotten. More than four hundred years ago a great citizen wished to embed the fifth of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives. So if you’ve seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you then I would suggest you allow the fifth of November to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot.”
(V for Vendetta, 2005)
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I think we need to have more debate in Parliament – whether the opposition is capable or not is a separate issue. Without debate, the dominant Party may skim over issues and not think through fully like the FT / HDB problem now. Until we give the opposition a chance to enter Parliament, how do we know if they can or cannot perform?
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Let’s say next time we have 30 Opposition MPs vs 52 PAP MPs.
Then the debate will definitely be very lively, and have a much higher quality than now. I am sure we all want that very much.
But with only 2 pitiful opposition MPs now, they are easily out-voiced by the 80+ majority.
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Count on me too, Singapore! Count on me and my friends to vote against the emperor without clothes and all his little emperors!
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Truth of the matter about Singaporeans is rightly put forth by RICO, a bunch of “Bor Chap” people. So if they can’t be bothered about their own fate, that’s a rather serious concern of a responsible citizenry especially since the Singaporeans have reached that high level of education in general
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citizenofSG ,
at this desperate situation, it better to vote for the lesser devil (opp party), at least it provides a glimpse of hope, better than no hope. We can’t expect much from opp party just as we can’t expect much from ourselves who hide behind anonymity.
Just like Japanese invading China. The Chinese can either fight among themselves for justice, power and status first or they can choose to fight against the Japanese and drive those invaders out first.
So drive out the invaders first and let the new chapter begin from there and the rest is history. Otherwise chinese will become the extinct breed.
Put into Singapore perspective, let drive out PAP first, and let nature set its course, otherwise Singaporeans will be history. At least we can expect a new era and new hope.
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There is some subtle difference between cowardice and misinformed.
I think most singaporeans are more misinformed than cowardly.
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@ citizenofSG on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 4:24 pm
My 2 cent worth…
As much as we want change, realistically we won’t see total victory from any opposition parties in the next one to two even three elections. The current OP’s already made their baby steps in the past but as of now it is still something like 82:2 so we have to continue that baby step and transform it into a breeze walk before we turn it into a full run.
So if there is any OP in my ward, I know what to do even if they are not ideal candidates, because that is the FIRST STEP we all must take even we knew we are stepping into an unknown terrain. Because only when the crack start to show, we can then pierce thru deeper the next time and the next time….
By weakening the absolute power, it will show that no party is invinsible and the progressive small scale victory will help induce more and more capable and passionate people to come forward to lead in the future.
Do not be intimidated and threatened, yes it will have challanges, it will have major hiccups, but it won’t collapse.
If we don’t put the first step out, nothing will change while we talk until the cow come home.
I read and agreed with a blogger “really independence” on a separate thread under “….letter to MM… “
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What a great speech.
So “voice of citizen” are you going to join an opposition party and stand for election? Will you walk the talk? Can you at least reveal your name and NRIC number?
Probably not eh?
“voice of citizen” will type articles on the internet. when opposition politicians approach him he will shut his doors on their faces. come election day, if he gets to vote, he tells himself he will vote for the opposition because he wants change. that thought alones makes him shiver with fear. he can’t sleep for nights.
finally, he makes his way to the election booth and decides to vote for the “pap” anyway to “play it safe”
lol.
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@citizenofSG
If you think ministers who can say things like “50 years freak event” and “increase of HDB price is a oversight” are “great leaders” then it is a sad thing.
They are easily replaceable by any Tom, Dick, Harry and life still goes on. So what is the different between voting a under-performing minister or an opposition who “bo-chup” you after he get into parliment?
Have you ever seen Potong Pasir & Hougang becoming a slum area since they are under opposition parties?
HDB wont go burst if MBT is voted out
You wont lose your job if GKY is booted out.
SPF will still remain if WKS loses his seat.
What is being bring across to Singaporeans is to cast against votes to express our concerns in the hope that this voice can be heard before it is too late.
I urge all Singaporeans to do it and not wait for another 5 years when your votes are easily replaces by those FTs whom MIW bringing in now with their “FT policy” to replace your votes. By then your votes are useless and worthless, because FTs will be so over-whelming that they are the majority and you are the minority. So don’t how you “cry father cry mother”, it will be turn to a deaf ear.
So do you want a situation like these? I certainly hope not if not it just like digging your own grave.
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“Let’s say next time we have 30 Opposition MPs vs 52 PAP MPs.
Then the debate will definitely be very lively, and have a much higher quality than now. I am sure we all want that very much.”
Haha, at this number, the opp MPs may as well join the PAP because it will be all talk until the cow comes home, and yet the stupid and oppressive policy will still be implemented due to majority vote by PAP MPs.
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朱门酒肉臭， 路有冻死骨 – Thanks to PAP!!
VOTE PAP OUT!!!!
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@ Clueless on Need for Change
i agree!. We can’t expect opposition to succeed overnight. there will be teething problems, nut we must get them in. Not for the sake of getting opposition in, but to send a message to the current leadership that they have forgotten their purpose and to “help” them get back on track i.e. that they have a duty to all Singaporeans!
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#Weil Ng on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 4:47 pm
A spoilt vote is a vote for the PAP. Don’t ‘waste’ your vote, vote opposition.
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“Exposer on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 6:02 pm
“Let’s say next time we have 30 Opposition MPs vs 52 PAP MPs.
Then the debate will definitely be very lively, and have a much higher quality than now. I am sure we all want that very much.”
Haha, at this number, the opp MPs may as well join the PAP because it will be all talk until the cow comes home, and yet the stupid and oppressive policy will still be implemented due to majority vote by PAP MPs.”
I am afraid you are wrong. Yes at that ratio laws can still be passed by the ruling party and yes they can pass even more laws with very questionable outcomes and yes they can still manipulate the system to their advantage. But, the ruling party has just lost 29 seats to opposition parties and if they still dare to propose bills and pass laws that have questionable benefits to the people what will happen to the next GE? Democracy must start from somewhere and if we keep on speculating whether it will work, whether opposition is capable enough or whether democracy will bring about chaos in other failed democracies, we will be still at status quo. We will still have to endure unjust laws, we still see influx of foreigners, we still have to endure subsistence level pay etc. Democracy is not perfect but please do not throw the baby out with the bathing water. It is the ‘best’ alternative to sn authoritarian regime. This GE may truly be our last chance before we are overwhelmed socially, politically, economically and financially by foreigners.
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@singapore on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 5:45 pm
I have voted oppositions ever since I am eligible to vote.. The last time was GE2006 when I voted for the WP’s unknown against you-know-who… And I am still employed, sitting here typing this out..
Have all the 33% who voted oppositions disappeared without a trace?
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PAP is not Singapore. Singapore belongs to Singaporeans. The PAP is supposed to work for Singaporeans but failed to show their compassion and empathize with ordinary singaporeans. Yes we must vote them out!
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In my point of view, Singaporeans are not cowards. Just self-centered.
That’s why MIW is in power for so many years. Majority of Singaporeans vote for MIW, because of the carrots MIW like to dangle.
My only concern are these self-centered Singaporeans. As they are willing to put up with so much crap, as long as their money making ways are not affected.
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Obama campaigned during the presidential election that he’d bring “change.” Did he? Yes, talking is easier said than done like what the author of this article thought.
Even after one year in office, Obama still couldn’t deliver his promises. His popularity plunged because he couldn’t solve his country chronic unemployment. The Democrats lost a big blue Democrat state, Massachusetts, and put their long fought Health Care Bill in jeopardy for they lost the sixty votes needed to prevent the Republicans from filibustering and getting it voted by the senators.
So do tell me, author of the article, should I vote the PAP out and vote for some people who promise me “change” like what Obama told those gullible Americans? Did they see any change after one year? No sir, no change, it’s still the same old, same old for the Americans. So should we change our government just because many of us lost our jobs and it allows too many FT’s into the country? Does our government have control over our exporting trade or is it controlled by overseas customers? The answers for all these questions are negative except for the last one.
So wake up author of the above article, you’re the one that needs to be woke up and not us. Yes, we know we’re having a tough time because of the global economic meltdown. Yes, we consider ourselves lucky that we’re still in good shape financially. Yes, we weather it like the way we weathered the Asian crises because of a smart and responsible government. Yes, we are surviving or we would be in deep shit like Greece, Portugal and Spain who are near bankruptcy.
And be kind enough to tell us who among the Singapore opposition has the savvy and vision of LKY for us to vote for him? Also, please do tell us whether he could guarantee to continue with our success and prosperity? Could he guarantee that we won’t never face the same situation like what those unfortunate Haitians are facing now? No home, no food, no medicine and no water and become an international beggar. Or worse still, become the fourteen state of Malaysia and 70% of us becoming second class citizens. And instead of enjoying an efficient corruption free administration, we’ve to grease palms in every govt dept to get things done? What if we were to be that unfortunate as to have another Tun Lim Ewe Hock or a Lim Chin Siong taking over LKY’s position, would we still be able to enjoy the same standard of living, the second highest after Japan? You can called it seized mentality as some clever opposition party people like to say about this scenario but please don’t fool yourself thinking that it won’t happen if we do have an irresponsible govt. Would our brand name which we built so laboriously stay intact or would it get a “heart attack” and scare away foreign investors? And many of us would be without a job. And what if our 200 mil neighbors really turn nasty and unfriendly to take advantage of a disunited nation and do another “Konfrontasi” to “repossess” Singapore?
Yes, so who should wake up, you the author of the article or us, the thinking Singaporeans?
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i have voted for opposition in Jalan besar GRC for the last 2 elections ever since i get to exercise my right to vote.
Unfortunately,Jalan besar GRC has more elderly who support PAP, thus my vote was drowned out. If opposition comes again this election, i will not hesistate to vote for them again even i know my vote may not make much difference.
But,die die must try,if you don’t try,you don’t even have a chance to restore justice to singapore!
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@citizenofsg U pap crony or task by your PAP master to come here and sprout the same old tired propaganda.
Indeed voiding your vote is as good as voting for PAP. No 2 ways to argue about that. Simply because the MSMs fully controlled by PAP will manage to con sillyporeans to vote their way, while the opposition do not have such luxury thereby its very effective and most definite that spoiling your vote is EQUALs to voting for PAP.
@Citizenofsg Goh Keng Swee, Teh Cheang Wan and many many others had never wanted a life in politics nor were they born to be politician. They learnt the ropes. The new and current batch of ministers have shown that they are totally out of otuch with reality. Their losses in Suzhou, Liaoning, Stuyvesant town amongst many others, including spouting insults upon singaporeans time n time again, ERP to control traffic? You still get traffic jams BUT you still pay the ERP!! Shouldn’t it be scrap then? or a better alternative? Aren’t they paid MILLIONS because they are so elite so smart that they can think of solutions? The opposition HAS NO NEED nor obligation to help the PAP in solving their OWN created problems.
The PAP has paid themselves highly, boast and pat their own backs, they talk but are not able to walk the talk. They are effectively THIEVES, stealing ‘above board’ from the public and giving lame excuses for all wrong doings. From Mas Selamat to Rise of HDB prices to Influx of foreigners, ERP, the list goes on.
So the question is, since WE here can give you irrefutable proof that this bunch of PAP people are THIEVES, Charlatans and self fulfilling people 100% guaranteed not good for Singapore, compare them to a taxi uncle, bus driver, ex convict, an animal like a dog/cat/donkey/sheep, who would u vote for?
50% the taxi uncle, bus driver, ex convict etc may cheat us EVEN MORE than the PAP.
50% they can do even better than the PAP.
I’d go for the 50%. Because even if they CAN’T make things better, surely they can’t get worse than if I allow PAP to continue to rule as they wish.
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To Paikia, why people like you never compare us with Taiwan, Hong Kong and Korea?? Singapore under LKY is just a sweatshop for MNCs – what’st the big deal? Do we own the intellectual property? No. Are we subject to their whims if they should decide to withdraw and go to a cheaper place one day? Yes. So who engineered this? LKY. Who lost billions of our reserves? And how do you know there is no corruption in the administration? With a government-muzzled media who is going to inform you if there is corruption and conflicts of interests? You call a government who loses BILLIONS of our reserves without batting an eyelid AND still pay themselves millions RESPONSIBLE? Give us a break lah!!
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just remember this – everytime PAP won an electon, everything from transport, utilities bill, ERP, GST etc etc will increase imediately after that. Not the first time, many many times before. Hope Singporean can woke up this time!
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Hi Paikia1, here you go again. you are here either to self praise? spread fear? or speak for your master? Please go read up from this site to learn more about your master who are the greatest chameleon of all time. By the way, are you also the one who always bring up the Air Force One whenever there is some salary comparison between here and the USA?
I think you are either one of them in their system, or totally brain washed or not awake in the past decades.
http://leewatch.info/quotes/
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Majority of Singaporeans will continue to return the PAP with overwhelming wins. Like to complains only. When the MIW starts handouts like shares, promises hundreds millions to upgrade their HDB estate, the forbidable GRC system, threats, 100% control media, new pool of large FT and citizens, and cooling period and all the massive propaganda campaign to project as the patriotic and sincere party will do all the easy tricks on the majority of Singaporeans who are so scared, It is scary.
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dear lim,
you said:
->I have voted oppositions ever since I am eligible to vote.. The last time was GE2006 when I voted for the WP’s unknown against you-know-who… And I am still employed, sitting here typing this out..Have all the 33% who voted oppositions disappeared without a trace?
i never said that people will dissapear that is absurd. things like that only happen in facist states under one party autocratic rule where dissidents and opposition members are constantly harressed.
and er..that is not singapore.
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Hi Paikia1,
by the way, I am a true blue singaporean who used to be on your side but not anymore. Take heed, those who were not with you in the past will never be with you, those who sit on the fence probably have jumped to the other side by now, your last group like me are no longer on your side.
In my humble opinion, given the humongous amounts of challenges he face, it takes time and Obama is doing great. Most importantly, he is much much more righteous national leader compared with ours. why? you are a smart, well educated, world connected person, I don’t have to tell you those actions he has pushed to implement. So please don’t compare him with ours.
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Students are so bloody apathatic and politically ignorant. When I told them that PAP is corrupt this is their ans…
” Well, at least the opposition will be more corrupted…”
Maybe it has something to do with “Social Studies”…
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To Paikia1,
I forgot to mention one more thing, Obama lead by example. that example may not be significant compared with their GDP but it is an excellent example. You know what’s that. I am sure you know.
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Concerned Citizen
5th November is Guy Fawkes Day, which is being celebrated in some parts of Britain. I remember when I was a kid during our colonial days and the British elements stationed here also celebrated this day by lighting a huge bonfire (off Alexandra area – somewhere along present Ayer Rajah Expressway behind Alexandra Hospital). I was enthralled by it but could not understand the significance behind this commemorated ceremony being only a kid back then.
However, upon growing older I always make it a point to read up on whatever things or events of significance which I may have come across that stir my imagination and interests.
Just for the information for the uninformed, Guy Fawkes was involved in the 1605 Gunpowder Plot to blow up the British Parliament in the hope of killing King James I who had been an intolerant king, especially to the Caholics. Unfortunately due to a travesty of injustice the plot was discovered owing to a warning letter that was sent out based on good intentions which was intercepted by the king’s men.
On that fateful day, of the 13 men involved in the conspiracy, Guy Fawkes was the only one still in the cellar of parliament house with 36 barrels of explosives when the authorities stormed the place in the wee hours of the morning. He was caught, tortured, and subsequently executed (poor chap).
Ever since then, some quarters have been observing that fateful day, which started as a celebration to honour the blessing on the safety of the king, but has since over the centuries turned into an event of disrepute – some people are still doing it, but to honour and celebrate Guy Fawke’s attempt instead, as a form of manifestation in their desire to do away with the royalty in Britain.
Hope the above piece of short but true story may have provided some interesting reading to you or some of our other readers at this forum.
Regards.
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Maybe we too need to light a bonfire on 5th November to send a clear message to LKY ?
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■Clueless on Need for Change on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 5:08 pm
I think we need to have more debate in Parliament – whether the opposition is capable or not is a separate issue. Without debate, the dominant Party may skim over issues and not think through fully like the FT / HDB problem now. Until we give the opposition a chance to enter Parliament, how do we know if they can or cannot perform?
The problem here is that the ruling party dare not telecast the parliamentary debate ‘live’ on national TV, if it’s been on ‘live’ telecast then the people will be able to know who is the real devil behind all these political cover ups. This is a very smart move by the ruling party not to telecast the parliarmentary debates ‘live’to the public. If those members of the ruling party is so good as they claimed themselves to be, why dare not let the public know whats been discussed? the reason is too obvious, right? anyone disagree?
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This is the BEST place on the planet.
Vote PAP out?
You must be crazy.
We don’t have to go far. Just check out or live in one of the other 10 ASEAN countries.
Unemployment, starvation or discrimination.
Don’t believe me. Check it out personally.
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This deity here have not choosen Zeus’ weapon.
Instead prefers Hephaestus’ tool.
This deity still around, exists and working.
However it is the older folks from 60 to 70 yrs of age that always overestimate the prowess of ah kong’s party.
Saying if this deity mentioned “Pee Ay Pee”, within 3 mins, spies will swarm around this deity and follow this deity back to lair.
Then at midnight, this deity will be no more in existence…..
(The biggest myth since Sentosa was anchored to SG for magical reasons.)
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■bloodsucker on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 9:08 pm
just remember this – everytime PAP won an electon, everything from transport, utilities bill, ERP, GST etc etc will increase imediately after that. Not the first time, many many times before. Hope Singporean can woke up this time!
Don’t forget all the ERP gantries (blood sucking machines) along KPE are ready to be turn-on as soon as the ruling party managed to get another mandate this coming GE, but again we all will be the men-dead in the street . . . . . singaporeans never never learn from past mistake . . .tsk tsk tsk!!!
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If the docile japanese electorate can vote out the incumbent who controlled their lives and manipulated them for 56 years there is no reason why Singaporeans is unable to do the sameto the PAP…..the Freak Flood in 51 years is overdue……Let the freak flood wash away the world’s most expensive politicians in the next GE
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as reported last year alone, the total revenue collected by the present ruling govt through taxpayers is some $30billions and wow thats really really alot alot of money and I believe the figure would be much higher after the election, yes much higher is needed from the way those MIW would rule the nation.
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There are many Singaporeans who voted for PAP during the election. Less the 30% who constantly support PAP for whatever their personal reasons, stake in the PAP etc, the fence sitters are split into 3 classes (each class harder to convince than the next):
1. The ignorant (can be helped by giving them information)
2. The apathetic (telling them they have a stake in the making of the nation)
3. The intimidated (have to convince them that nothing of harm will come to them by taking a leap of faith to vote the opposition)
More efforts are needed to win these people to vote for opposition… The future of Singapore depends on how hard its citizens push for democracy before the next general election.
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Yes, stand together, speakup & vote out this one-party government that’s in power for too long! PAP complacency & focus on the elite/best/smartest/brightest, is going to hurt fellow S’poreans,the heartlanders. We must act & not remain ignorant & blindsided by this 1-party government anymore!
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to Paikia1
Our views differ but i will defend your right to your view…. do let the PAP know that and try to practice that.
Obama does have many challenges, (he inherited bush’s war and financial mess) i would say more so that our leaders, as according to their take, this down-turn is due to the global economy… so why the obscene pay? if anything bad is due to external factors then the justification for these pay packages are nonsense…
Accountability… if they want high pay then have to be accountable… i don’t see that here. read Mas Selamat, GIC, Temasek….
You are fear mongering… do u really think Singapore will deteriorate more then it have already if more opposition get elected? Do u think the oppositions are trying to bring the nation down? My views differs, i think it takes courage and passion to stand out and put oneself out for persecution. I sincerely belief that having a credible opposition will be better for the majority… rather then the status quo.. Name me a great nation with no credible opposition and i will name u many more that thrives because of it.
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Deity of Conflict
That was indeed funny.
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@CruEL -
(quote) U pap crony or task by your PAP master to come here and sprout the same old tired propaganda.(unquote)
Who me a PAP crony? Are you crazy?
(quote)Indeed voiding your vote is as good as voting for PAP. No 2 ways to argue about that. Simply because the MSMs fully controlled by PAP will manage to con sillyporeans to vote their way, while the opposition do not have such luxury thereby its very effective and most definite that spoiling your vote is EQUALs to voting for PAP.(unquote)
Did I say anything about voiding my vote?
(quote)Goh Keng Swee, Teh Cheang Wan and many many others had never wanted a life in politics nor were they born to be politician. They learnt the ropes. The new and current batch of ministers have shown that they are totally out of otuch with reality. Their losses in Suzhou, Liaoning, Stuyvesant town amongst many others, including spouting insults upon singaporeans time n time again, ERP to control traffic? You still get traffic jams BUT you still pay the ERP!! Shouldn’t it be scrap then? or a better alternative? Aren’t they paid MILLIONS because they are so elite so smart that they can think of solutions? The opposition HAS NO NEED nor obligation to help the PAP in solving their OWN created problems.(unquote)
What are you burbling?
(quote)The PAP has paid themselves highly, boast and pat their own backs, they talk but are not able to walk the talk. They are effectively THIEVES, stealing ‘above board’ from the public and giving lame excuses for all wrong doings. From Mas Selamat to Rise of HDB prices to Influx of foreigners, ERP, the list goes on.
So the question is, since WE here can give you irrefutable proof that this bunch of PAP people are THIEVES, Charlatans and self fulfilling people 100% guaranteed not good for Singapore, compare them to a taxi uncle, bus driver, ex convict, an animal like a dog/cat/donkey/sheep, who would u vote for?
50% the taxi uncle, bus driver, ex convict etc may cheat us EVEN MORE than the PAP.
50% they can do even better than the PAP.
I’d go for the 50%. Because even if they CAN’T make things better, surely they can’t get worse than if I allow PAP to continue to rule as they wish.(unquote)
What are trying to tell me?
I think you have a drop too much of drink.
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Surge in new members: YP
THE youth wing of the People’s Action Party (PAP) saw a surge in new members last year, with more than 1,000 joining its ranks.
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_486025.html
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http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_486005.html
Feb 3, 2010
THREE Chinese youths aged between 17 and 18 years have been arrested for posting racist remarks on ‘Facebook’, a popular social networking website.
Under the Sedition Act, anyone found guilty of promoting feelings of ill-will and hostility between different races or classes of the population of Singapore can be fined up to $5,000 or jailed up to three years, or both, if convicted.
Commander of Bedok Police Division, Deputy Assistant Commissioner of Police, Teo Chun Ching said: ‘Police take a very stern view of acts that could threaten the social harmony in Singapore. The Internet may be a convenient medium to express one’s views but members of the public should bear in mind that they are no less accountable for their actions online.’
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I think you got it wrong.
Singaporeans are ready for change.
We are eager to effect change now.
We can’t help it if they are scared of holding the elections now.
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I will VOTE OPPOSITION..
ANY OPPOSITION …
So long as I get a chance to vote !!!
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No confidence in either. Both, evidentially, are pro-Chinese. Not by what is said, but what is often left unsaid. Thank you, but no thanks. I’ll vote for mickey mouse instead, like i did in the presidential elections a couple of decades back.
The difference between ‘being sensitive’ and ‘being appreciative’:
http://www.according2ed.com/2010/01/loss-of-porker-in-chinese-zodiac.html
Till there is more of the latter….
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Would be refreshing to hear some robust solutions or propositions from TR participants rather than the same old grumbles and propaganda.
Much is at stake in this increasingly competitive and globalised world.
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Shit Times also published an articles in the forum page – Singapore without PAP. Who cares, I am a Singaporeans and I am confident that Singapore will make it even without PAP. It is the peope of Singapore that build this country – NOT PAP. Life will be improved and the earth still goes round, we want the next generation to be aware of PAP greeds, and teach them that our forefathers build this country together with their sons and daughters. If we continue to be flooded by foreigners whether progessively or sustaining it, Singaporeans will soon dissappear miserably. So what BIG DEAL is PAP? Have Singaporeans not suffered enough to continue to believe that PAP presence can bring happiness, are we truly happy since the last election and the years before that?
COUNT ME IN, VOTE PAP OUT!!
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Before you decided whether PAP is important in your life. Please ask yourselves this question alone – are you richer now or poorer. If you are poorer than the answer to vote PAP out is clear – no more further question.
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The Awakening on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 10:45 pm
Maybe we too need to light a bonfire on 5th November to send a clear message to LKY ?
I am pleasantly surprise to see someone here understood the significance of 5th of November! After spending years in Britain I must say not even the English celebrate this day nowadays. You see the little speech I quoted above is from the movie V from Vendetta (2005). Although it is about a fictitious UK in the future but the theme is universally applied to oppression. The character V is correct that no regime can survive if it does not have the quiet obedience of its cowed populace. The people can pretend that they do not see the wrongs around them and carry on living blissfully ignorant and be abused by the regime again and again ot they can all stand up and shout enough! It is after all the choice of the individual. No one can force you of you do not want to voice dissent. However if you have any conscience and morality you would recognise that there is something very wrong with our society. Why do I have to tolerate unfair policies and laws being forced down my throat? Why do I need to say yes to everything expounded in the media? Why do I need to meekly accept my job being taken away by cheaper foreigners? Like V said, if you see what I see, if you feel what I feel and if you seek as I seek, we will make the coming GE that PAP will never forget! Have a good evening fellow countrymen and women. May your conscience guide you on polling day.
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To passer-by,
There are plenty of “propositions” here and all over the web if you look but does this government listen? First is to vote in more opposition for a start What is the point of proposing “robust solutions” ad nauseum if the government steamrolls everything because it has been given a “strong mandate”???? Some Singaporeans are really the silliest people in the world because they pay their politicians millions and then can’t wait to do their dirty work for them!!
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I am Singaporean and I am no coward. I am prepared to look EVIL in the face and do what is right and necessary. The right vote is perhaps the most important choice I will ever make in this life. I will make the right choice.
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For those who think we have no credible opposition, what makes you think PAP is any better.
PAP is killing Singapore with all their wrong policies, and these morons continue to plunder her coffers by enriching themselves with million dollars salary, and continue to lose the billions of her reserves. And giving hardship to her people by opening the floodgates to foreign trash and discard from 3rd world countries !
We must VOTE the PAP stooges out and save Singapore !!
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I will not only vote for the Opposition but will tell all my friends, relatives and colleagues to do so.
We must save Singapore from the PAP dogs !!
Singapore will not have a future if PAP continues their tyrant rule !!!
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To Jack Lim on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 11:05 pm :
“This is the BEST place on the planet ?
- Yes without PAP it will be.
“Vote PAP out?”
- Yes before PAP ruins Singapore !
“You must be crazy.”
- We must be crazy Not to vote the PAP donkeys out !
- We must be crazy to let these morons continue to sink Singapore.
“We don’t have to go far. Just check out or live in one of the other 10 ASEAN countries.”
- But we pay these PAP ministars millions of dollars and in return they promised us Swiss standards of living !!
- So if want to compare, be fair and compare with Switzerland, Norway, Sweden … etc.
Go check out other first world countries and see how far Singapore is behind !! Don’t be a frog in the well and feed only on PAP shitty propaganda !!
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To motivate others here on why we should make a change of Singapore’s rather stifled political atmosphere. I list a few questions:
- Do you want to know how much national reserves is left?
- How much did GIC and Temasek Holdings lost over the last 10 years?
- Who is accountable for the purported losses?
- Was public funds used for grassroot / political activities?
- What is the real percentage of PR to citizen ratio and the breakdown of nationalities of immigrants?
- What is the real cost of healthcare in Singapore and how much is really subsidised?
- How much is the real cost per unit of HDB apartment?
- How many percent profit HDB made from sales of HDB apartments?
- What is the actual function of grassroot?
- What benefits do grassroot leader gets?
- What other ’skeletons’ are in the closet over the last 4 decades?
Do you want to know these questions? If you do and with the current number of opposition MPs in the parliament that is impossible to force the setting up of independent investigating committee for audits. You may ask why such questions got to do with me? It have everything to do with your job prospects, the planning of economic strategies that reflect realities, your retirement and healthcare and lastly the accounting of any abuse of the system. So ask yourself, is democracy that useless? Of course there are many failed democracies and they can be traced to corruptions. But there are many more democracies thrive and prospered like Switzerland and the Nordic states. However no authoritarian states last very long and it is a historical fact. Democracy is not perfect like any man-made political theory but it allows constant rejuvenation and innovation because it does not centre around an individual or political entity. If this administration does not perform up to expectation of the people and is against the nation’s interests it can be peacefully and smoothly changed during elections. So before anyone dismissed democracy as chaotic and God forbid against Asian values, rationally ponder the above questions and decide for yourself what kind of system do you want yourself and your children to live and thrive in?
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“THREE Chinese youths aged between 17 and 18 years have been arrested for posting racist remarks on ‘Facebook’, a popular social networking website.”
Anyone missing in TR now ?
“SIR DI YA ! Keep still there !
Sergeant Major, please do the headcount now and account for any causality and loss.”
Anyway, I doubt these boys visit TR. On the whole, readers and commentators are the better lot.
Yohoo. Where is Robox ? Search party, anyone ?
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A call for Singaporeans not to cast a vote for opposition based on rising public housing price.
Looks like the Government knows that this is a raw nerve.
They may not want to do anything to address our concern.
Issue a directive not to vote for opposition.
After election, hdb price can go up again.
Article found at:
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_483139.html
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I’ll tell you what is wrong with the PAP government.
The minsters are damned bloody switched-off. They wake up only during election year and then realize that everything has gone wrong with the country. They then set up so-called high powered committees to resolve the problem and also activate the propaganda machine to help them win votes. After the election, they will go back to sleep earning the undeserved millions without even lifting a finger to help ordinary citizens.
To a fucked-up govt like this, there is only one solution. Throw them into the dustbin of history, close the lid and dump it into the open sea. That’s where they belong.
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@ Jack Lim
I am not sure when was the last time you’ve been to KL or Bangkok, but personally , I find these 2 cities a much better place to live than your so called “best place in the Universe”!!!
As a matter of fact, I am now living in KL and wish I do not have to be posted back to Singapore anytime soon, and I wouldn’t mind to be here forever!
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Gentlemen & possibly some ladies,
The past six months had been very hectic for me to turn on the computer read the frustrations of Loyal Singaporeans,Caring Singaporeans, Anti PAP/Singapore and Pro PAP/Singapore supporters.Whatever the case may be, this is the only country true blue Singaporeans have, with no where else to go should it fail.
My concern from day one is where do we go from here,the current Cabinet consists of a bunch of GUTLESS men beholden to whoever or whatever with a few capable but unable to table what they truly believe in without being shot down or worse still removed with just one word from “CHIEF THUNDERCLOUD” so named by Devan.
Like I mentioned when I became a little IT savvy to put in the net my 2 cts for my country and fellow countrymen. I sincerely hope I have done my part and now depart from the scene to truly enjoy my humble retirement with my family who needs my attention more than the computer which seem to have a devilish hold on you night & day according to my wife.
I wish Singapore and all my fellow Singaporeans the GOOD,BAD & UGLY well and hope that the new WORLD ORDER will help put Singapore in order especially for the poor,elderly and sick.
The PAP especially LEE KUAN YEW should dig deep into the recess of their brilliant minds and ask what have they really done for this little REDDOT and its people who doggedly rushed to their side each time they were call upon to do so and now left by the wayside in order to accommodate their selfish and egotistical needs.
I have no reason to believe that Singapore will not survive without the PAP,as a worse case scenario lets all sing Negaru Ku again. At least we are 2nd class citizen with a bigger space to romp and tanah ubi should the situation arise.
I now bow out gracefully and wish one ans all the best of everything with the “BEST IS YET TO COME”.
PeterL @ [email protected] no longer exist as from today.
May GOD-ALLAH & all super beings Bless Singapore forever AMEN.
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到底是人民选政府？
还是政府选人民？
请大家问一问自己。
this is what happen when they are given Absolute Power.
they start to turn thr table over.
They choose their citizen by importing.
Make the Right Choice this time。
But to the Opposition, Please Give me a chance to Vote by standing in.
Its Always a walkover.
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Count on me, Singapore! Count me, PAP!I gonna to fcuking VOTE you out!
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To Jack Lim,
“We don’t have to go far. Just check out or live in one of the other 10 ASEAN countries.”
Have you ever stayed in these countries for periods longer than 6 months or for the matter, have been to these countries before? Can you share with us how you come to the conclusion? Please share with us your first hand evidence?
“Unemployment, starvation or discrimination.”
You mean to say that Singapore don’t have the above? Please share with us your evidence as well?
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@ Concerned Citizen on Thu, 4th Feb 2010 2:45 am
Bravo, well done. Spore need many more citizen like you, if not we will all become soul less digits who echo along those servants who turned master.
@ PeterL on Thu, 4th Feb 2010 9:16 am
we will miss you, do drop by once in a while when you have times. enjoy and all the best.
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@paikia1: Yes fear mongering.
Yes, Obama election promise is Change, he has yet to achieve it. The people vote him in even he is inexperience but gives him the chance , if he fail to deliver the people can the decide if they want him to continue for another term , that is democracy. Obama cannot change any policy overnight or pay himself millions. He has to put his policy to the people and the congress and senate.
@Yes, we consider ourselves lucky that we’re still in good shape financially. Yes, we weather it like the way we weathered the Asian crises because of a smart and responsible government.
‘we’ .. are you one of the millionaire ministers or civil servant. Who are financially in good shape(any stats), the people or the gov. or ministers or familee.
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Set up a fund to support a united opposition so they can fight all GRCs. Without money you cannot do much.
All should contribute ten or more dollars or within legal limit and this fund be made available to the opposition.
This fund be set up elsewhere but readily available to opposition activities. Choose the candidates well!
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The language and style used in some comments here may sound crude to many people, but I suppose that it simply reflects a true picture of what the spirit within feels so very strongy about and expressed in a free manner.
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到底是人民选政府？
还是政府选人民？
请大家问一问自己。
Totally agreed.
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Majority of voters are cowards.. pap has so many fiasco that one has to be blind to miss them…
So.. majority of singaporean voters are either cowards or dumb… and singaporean deserve to be replaced…
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LIONS ROAR on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 5:35 pm
There is some subtle difference between cowardice and misinformed. I think most singaporeans are more misinformed than cowardly.
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This is wisdom; Ah Kong Zeus’ people is over-rated.
It uses myths mostly on the not so well educated, the simple minded and self chosen-ignoramuses.
Knowing these people are more then happy to just mindless to pay tribute to them.
Already the household of this deity is split into 2 sides.
The spouse of deity is simply bo chup, citing whatever we do, we cannot influence the situation.
This deity pissed beyond words, close to divorcing this useless spouse who have no backbone / no tenacity/ no ideals to live for.
I believe this will come most of the people here.
This war of Heart & Minds will not only just take place on the grass patches in Election day but in the homes and backyards of families amongst us.
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We are not misinformed . We are just be censored by the media on the truth performance of the papayas . Now that we know they are shit , we will use our power on the voting table .Make no mistake that we will not destroy the vote . Just make sure that its not a walk-over and the oppositions will be voted in .
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I would like to say something to overseas Singaporeans. Please register and update with your constituents’ electoral roll at the CCs. Try your very best to come home to vote this coming election. I will take leave from my posting in Copenhagen to vote in the coming GE as I know that my country’s future is stake. It is time for a change in Singapore’s political climate and Singapore needs us the citizens of Singapore to fulfill the national pledge. I do not believe that the national pledge is just empty ideals but very important perspectives that guide Singapore to a better and brighter future. I thought of migration many times. But Singapore is my home and I thought what kind of a man I am if I just do not make my country a better place? I will stay and I will do my part.
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Indeed, many Sporean voters are real cowards. They are too afraid of losing their businesses, jobs, promotions etc etc if they vote for the oppositions. Hence, on polling day most of them will prefer to remain status-quo and die die will vote for the ruling party. They may complaint about everything, but when it come to the ballot boxes, they are all frighten to death. Frighten that lightning will strike them.
Couple with the mega GRCs,the ruling party is sure to win hands down again. But we need to pray hard that ‘the wind of change’ will come this time around. Give them a run for their money. They just cannot have easy wins/walkovers all the time. Passive and frustrated Sporeans should wake up and made their votes count. By just complaining is of no use.
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i hope to hear more of the opposition’s talking and publishing their plans for us….. thou the papers can’t say much… hope the opposition’s respective websites can post something to enlighten us..
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We can all type and express all we want…
If the message is not passed on to the people in the street, PAP will still get a BIG win.
Its the uncles and aunties that will make the differences, and they won’t visit such websites, and the PAP carrot will be there come elections.
Perhaps message must get to the public in a big way, else our children will not have a roof over themselves, and they will be working their lives away to pay their mortgages and never have time to produce offspring of their own, and the foreign talents will be there to replace them if they dun work hard….. plus all that we can think off… have something that will give the PAP a GOOD fight.
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Would opportunistic MNCs be willing to back some of our opposition so that when there is Change……?
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I do not deny the fact that some singaporeans are cowards when it come to voting but let us do not stereotype every singaporean is a coward. I would rather say Singaporean are more self-centred & short sighted, MIW give him/her some carrots before election, he/she will give MIW their votes on polling day and think MIW very good, life cannot goes on without MIW. Then after giving MIW the “mandate”, started to curse and sweared whenever there is HDB price hike, ERP gantries lah,etc etc….Indirectly, Singaporeans brought this upon themselves, cantonese saying 自己拿來衰. When will these people wake up and enlighten? If not this vicious cycle will continue on and on.
A good example is my neighbour, a lady in her 50s keep grumping and complaining about LUP…say this no that no good lah, she was hoping that the block will voted against LUP but when the result came out, my block voted 100% for LUP.
I am totally digusted and she deserved no respect from me.
What the point of cry father cry mother if in the 1st place, you not even bother to vote for the opposition? Complaining after MIW won elections doesn’t help and work, cause they dun bother to listen to you until next election. Don’t just talk about voting for opposition now, come next polling day, put all this talks of supporting opposition become a reality by casting your vote for the oppostion. If Singaporean is able to take this small step forward, it be a big step eventually for all Singaporean.
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Btw, I am unable to vote for LUP as I am staying on the floor with existing lift…but I contribute to the 33.3% that voted against the MIW in GE2006 with my vote.
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“lost4ever on Thu, 4th Feb 2010 3:20 pm
We can all type and express all we want…
If the message is not passed on to the people in the street, PAP will still get a BIG win.
Its the uncles and aunties that will make the differences, and they won’t visit such websites, and the PAP carrot will be there come elections.
Perhaps message must get to the public in a big way, else our children will not have a roof over themselves, and they will be working their lives away to pay their mortgages and never have time to produce offspring of their own, and the foreign talents will be there to replace them if they dun work hard….. plus all that we can think off… have something that will give the PAP a GOOD fight.”
Jolly good to see fellow patriots! I have started my part in this coming GE fight by talking to my own family members. Explaining to them the issues and facts that they have no idea of. Yes, the apathy of the general public in Singapore is appalling! Many out there are people who only read ST, Lian he zhao bao Berita Harian and other state papers. They took all the propaganda as facts! Now I am moving on to friends and my pwn relatives. We must be mini ‘activists’ as sitting infront of computers and lament is useless! Now is the time for the call to action and we can see in the papers that the propaganda war is starting and we need to do something before lies and deceits from the media drown the truth. We have got to do something and anything before Singapore’s reserves are squandered and our homeland overruned by foreign opportunists!
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Let vote and vote victoriously for once in our life to make a very powerful statement to PAP !
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@sadbythesight on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 4:42 pm
@Sure or not? on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 4:53 pm
@AL on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 5:07 pm
@Exposer on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 5:22 pm
@WTF on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 5:45 pm
@Anti_LPS on Wed, 3rd Feb 2010 5:48 pm
Lets get down to the bolt and nuts and come to polarize and decide whom we should vote or follow.
Gentlemen, you are true blue Singaporean and we are happy to be on the same side. However, with experience, just us voting is not good enough. Voting aimlessly is also not getting us anywhere.
When we get rid of a monster, we also don’t want another bigger monster to come launching at us. We need a real solution.
The PAP has a very strong brand name and that we can’t deny. However their reputation got a little knock and it is time for others to take over and make themselves known.
The opposition is very much apart. We need someone to pull them together. In Malaysia, they got Anwar Ibrahim, who is able to pull the various fractioned parties together and also the public opinion somewhat favors him. If we the citizens can debate and decide who can represent us as opposition, perhaps that person can stand in as a leader to bring all parties together. That is the best way to compete against the PAP. Once a large group of top notch opposition come together cemented by a common leader, he could signal to the general public that he can make sure the various opposition parties know what the general public want and deliver to them what they want.
First we must have direction and that is our first move. Get an opposition leader to link all parties together, tightly or loosely will do. Signal to the general public that they will deliver what the public heart desires. That is to topple PAP and reclaim Singapore.
We the people are the strength when we reunite and come together and work as one people. Lets poll together for a opposition leader and let the opposition knows who the public trust to bring them together. Don’t expect them to choose among themselves because when everyone wants to be leader, in the end nobody become leader. Let us choose for them and let them decide if they would follow.
Will somebody please write an article to be published by TR telling us who is best suited to be our opposition leader. Do it now!
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I’m a COWARD.
Too good lah over here.
Honestly . . . .
I’ve been around. The world out there is WORSE.
Corrupt governments, racial & religious discrimination . .
You name it.
You have it.
Like many we’re here to be Singaporeans and contribute to the further growth of this fine city under your renowned & wise MM.
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@Ex-Filipino – Ok we welcome you, just go and serve national service. If you don’t and we know who are you, you get it.
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Dear rico, your bochap friend is born with the Brain in thier ASS. Wait till they ar pinch. then they will wake up.
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Political SalesMaN
Hi, hope you remember me. I previously wrote under the pen-name Jim but since someone else has usurped that name, I have received some awakening.
Fancy meeting you here !
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Citizen of SG
You are raising an issue which presently the Iranians are facing. In 1979 when they overthrew the rule of the Shah, they thought they had removed a cruel dictatorship that was oppressing them. 30 years on, and they realise that it was, like you mentioned, removing one monster and replacing it with another. The present Islamic Regime is even more oppressive and cruel than their last monarch.
So it’s all a matter of not getting caught in a situation of jumping out of a hot pot and into a frying pan.
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@abs
If you are singaporean,I am sad to note that you unreservedly commented that “singaorean deserved to be replaced…”
So,following your thinking,if you are singaporean,you ought to be replaced?!
Nope,I am more inclined to believe that the average singaporean has been totally misinformed by all these MSM and the education system so much so that they are not able to make independant judgement for themselves.
Wisdom to decipher is very different from mere knowledge and most singaporeans don;t have the wisdom to make ‘WISE’ independant decision and are to a great extent influenced by their relatives and peers,sad to say.
The Opposition must attempt to reassure the common citizens to
vote for justice and this is indeed a collosal task.
I think in this respect,both TR and TOC have done well to educate the people at large and it would be good for us to let our friends share these informative sites.
REGARDS.
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I feel sorry for the opposition leaders who have been fighting for many including the Bochaps aka apatheticos and the kia si ones. do they deserve to be helped?
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As I get older I got very short memory. I can’t remember what I have for lunch today or what I have for dinner last night.
When everytime I pass through an ERP gantry, it reminds me to cast a protest vote against the ruling party.
I hope one week prior polling day, they would shut off all the ERP gantries in Singapore otherwise they will constantly remind me not to forget to cast my vote of protest against Singapore Inc..
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No matter what the PAP is trying to do now, it does not change the fact that I have been burdened for life for the flat I bought and the renovation that is to be done, coupled with the increase in stressful living by the crowds in MRTs, depressed pay by foreigners intake.
Thus, I vote not only for my future, but for my children’s future. “PAP, I’m turning my vote against you. You have neglected our cries and pleas for too long a time. So if you can’t hear it on the ground, hear it in the election.”
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Just look at Malaysia’s last GE. The oppositions won 1/3 of the parliament seats and some states. This doesn’t not bring the country down the drain. In fact, the ruling party is panicky and are on their toes as more and more wrong-doings, corruptions and wrong practices are being exposed. I think after their next GE, Malaysia will improve to be a better country.
So, Singapore will improve too if she has more oppositions MP. Guys, this may be your last chance to do something good for S’pore. Vote opposition. Be brave…Take a risk…it is worth more.
The S’pore leaders are too comfortable with their lives; they have made millions of dollars…How about your future and that of your family?
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JAFRI on Thu, 4th Feb 2010 5:10 pm
“Let vote and vote victoriously for once in our life to make a very powerful statement to PAP !”
Vote in something under the guise of UMNO. Pro-Malays and . . . .
Don’t tickle our toes.
We don’t wish to end up like Malaysia, a resource-rich country and its citizens having to commute here to Singapore by the 1 000s to find employment (check out the 2 causeways at dawn and you will see what I mean). Surprisingly, Malaysia which got indepedence earlier than Singapore is STILL a developing country and the people’s per capita income is way, way, behind Singapore’s.
Why erh?
BNo lah better not vote for people who advocate the tongkat. Sorri Ali. Sticking with the PAP. Track record counts.
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If I ever come to power, I scrap all those money-first and authocratic policies of PAP :
1) Remove the pegging of Ministers salaries to the 8 highest paying professionals. We do not need to pay for excess loyalty or efficient running dogs.
Remove the Public Transport Council in charge of approving SMRT & SBS public transport and taxi fares as they are absolutely useless. There is no need to have a public appointed council in Singapore to guarantee min. profits for public listed transport companies. Let there be open competition for any company interested to manage such companies especially since SMRT do not own the MRT trains as they are built using uses public taxpayers’ monies.
2) Every Singaporean will be given a chance to own ONE (1) HDB flat during their lifetime when they reach 21 years old. They can go for any type of flat as long as they can afford it. They can exercise their ballot anytime as long as they have never owned a flat before. If they wish to give up the right to own a flat, we will pay them the actual “subsidy” in cash.
3) Revert all CPF policies back to those original terms & conditions at the time where CPF contributors first joined the scheme. All retirement plans will be optional. But all those who joined CPF Life plus will be given free basic medical treatments at polyclinics and public hospitals. No need to force anyone especially since it is their own monies and they are free to do anything including getting PRC mistresses as it is none of the govt’s business to control how contributors would like to spend their own hard earned savings.
4) Anybody who reaches 65 years old will be automatically entitled to a monthly stipend of S$360 per month, irrespective of whether they are working or not, courtesy of the Govt of the day. No uncle or auntie older than 65 years will be allowed to collect empty bottles or discarded cardboards as S$12 per day will be sufficient for 3 meals per day. No need to argue whether enough to eat at the hawker centre, foodcourt or restaurant. No need to approach any CDC officers. No need to throw chairs or burn any MPs.
5) Remove bidding for COEs. Every Singaporean is given a right to own a car once in a lifetime and pay a one time fee only. They can sell this right to anyone at any price they wish if they don’t want to own a car during their lifetime. Those who want to own a second car have to buy this right in the open market.
6) Remove all ERP collection at non-peak hours. We can bear with a little bit of congestion here and there so long as it is not causing too much of a problem. If roads become congested, nature will take its run as motorists will avoid such roads.
7) Remove all issuance of parking summons after official office hours. What is exacly wrong if cars are allowed to be parked anywhere so long as it is not causing a nuisance to others eg at double yellow lines ?
9) Propose a new law prohibiting any father, wife, son/daughter-in-laws, cousins, siblings or children of the Prime Minister from holding any public office to prevent any abuse of authority or manipulating of public funds.
10) Stipulate a law to prohibit any current Minister from suing anybody for anything. Any Minister must be thick skinned enough to withstand any rumour. If not, not qualified enought to be a Minister.
11) Abolish the position of the President as we do not need to pay someone millions every year to look after a key (especially when it is never locked in the first place) nor is he needed just to attend the Mediacorp Awards annualy.
12) Any Singaporean are free to protest anywhere in Singapore. No PR or foreigners especially PRC nationals are allowed to protest in this country. They can exercise their right back in their own country.
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Please tell me your party as I would like to join you.Your manifesto is the best and I agree with all of it.
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if you like to sing a chorus, sing less to alternative blog readers and more to those still living in oblivion. Those who cannot wake up even after 50 years.
spend more time on this, will achieve more than talking among ourselves – the awakened.
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Chinatown
You have made a very good and pertinent point. More Singaporeans should open up and understand the perspective you have commented on before they cast their vote.
In the next coming election exercise, we should not vote for voting sake, but rather vote to ensure that the PAP government be held accountable for their policies, and to do that we need more non PAP voices in parliament.
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Who do you people think is the right candidate to lead the opposition?
Below is a sample of some names:-
Low TK
Chiam ST
Chee Soon Juan
Kenneth Jeyaretnam
Ken Sun
With an opposition leader, it is easier for us to hold them accountable. If any opposition party is not acting in order, we can raise the issue to the opposition leader. The opposition leader can then talk to the other parties leader to discuss of a way to handle the wayward leader.
Looking at most comments, we do not seem to have any particular person that is suitable. Though our comment is only arbitrary and does not automatic promote anyone as leader, at least the opposition has an idea of what the netcitizens think about who should be their leader.
For starter I think Low TK should be the opposition leader because his party has the most MP, ie including NMP. However I don’t think he is best suited for the job because he doesn’t seem to be actively mixing with the other parties.
The most suitable person I think should be Chaim See Tong. Despite his old age, he is most poised to be an opposition leader.
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Chiam’s SDA together with the Worker’s Party & Reform should form a Coalition or Alliance to work out a plan for this coming GE.I am leaving SDP out because Chee is not able to stand because of his bankruptcy and their track record is nothing to shout about.Moreover,his Party leans to outside help for support and is not seen as 100% Singaporean.
Leader of opposition: Chiam See Thong as he is the longest serving MP with Low and Kenneth asst.or Dy.The Parties concern must trash out their differences and come up with a common Manifesto to be convincing.I am new in TR and hope to see all the comments and postings are carried out when the time comes for everyone to rise to the occasion.
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@AdamD1stMan – Thanks AdamD1stMan, you are very constructive. In the celebration of CST 25th Aninversary as MP, he is already trying to bring together everybody to sing song and merry. Look like he is the de facto opposition leader and hope the other opposition can give some face (Chinese way of saying respect) to him.
If the other opposition leaders could propose that he leads them in the next election, then the chances of three corner fight is less lightly.
Should the opposition remain calm and never fight and co operate nicely, I think the next election we are going to see a tsunami.
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It is pertinent for the opposition parties to form a coalition as the resources will be wasted in 3 corner fights. However I am not very hopeful of that happening. Despite the fact of lacking in candidates and fund, the last few GE we are still seeing 3 corner fights. Forming a coalition needs common trust and understanding and I suspect that the opposition parties may have different manifestoes and agendas that prevent them from forming a coalition. Furthermore, differences in personality of the respective party leaders may also be a hindrance of a broad front cooperation. They must realise that this coming GE is the best chance to win more seats and if they miss this chance they might not get another with such excellent circumstances.
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到底是人民选政府？
还是政府选人民？
Is it the people choose and vote for the government they want or the government choose the type of people they want?
Watch this and decide yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oJX-hzNY8U
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@citizensg &concerned citizen
Its not only pertinent but crucial that they should act in tandem now that the ruling party are in sixes and sevens.
Differences are common in most coalition,the important message to drive home is to secure a stronger foothold in Parliament and denying PAP a 2 thirds majority.Differences can be iron out later after winning more than one third and remember no frogs allowed.
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The longer the PAP hold back the election the better. Some people say economy will not be so rosy in the later part of the year and PAP must hold election latest by next year. If they delay till the economy starts to falter and even collapse, they are going to walk into big fire.
Mean time the opposition should be able to recruit more opposition candidates that is of some caliber because when people realize the ground is shifting they know it is their golden opportunity to start a civil career by serving the people.
With election coming later, it is even better for the opposition because the netizens will make sure that ground for opposition is even sweeter.
The only fear is cooling day where we don’t know what is up in their sleeve and how the MSM will spin on that day to change the mind of the fence sitter.
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two things could be done urgently.one, someone has to create a database and recruit 6 singaporean voters for each GRC/SMC,to stand in as proposer,seconder and 4 assentor,for contesting opposition candidates.
Political should be transparency to voters about their kitty.If not enough,appeal for donation.do not keep mum about it.Singaporeans will surely help.
Also create a volunteer list.these volunteers list could be used by opposition parties to request help during their election campaign period.
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To citizenofSG & Concerned Citizen,
Your suggestion of OPs coalition if achievable will be perfect, though it will be a uphill challenge for them.
Member of OPs if you guys are reading till now please kindly give it a good thought. This is your best chance since the last few decades given the current situation. Treasure this opportunity, set aside your differences, help people of Singapore………
Weaken their absolute power,
Remove their complete dominance.
Eliminate their arrogance.
Help establish true democracy for our homeland.
Thank you all.
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The S’pore opposition parties should form a coalition to stand a better chance in the next election. I’m sure you guys can work out your differences. Come on… this is for the sake the our future and the future of S’pore, not for each party or individual.
You see, in Malaysia, even PAS and DAP can now be in a coalition, and both parties are now more successful, even though they have challenges. So, team up, work as a team, share your resources and never slip the votes. If you do this, you will be surprise with the support you will get from S’poreans.
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Temasek Review should start setting up an Opposition Donation Fund Raising Campaign right now.
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Re: toratoratora on Sat, 6th Feb 2010 1:49 pm
I strongly second that motion! The fund collected can be equally distributed to the different opposition parties who will be contesting in the coming GE equally. I believe TR will publish the statement of accounts. The collected fund can be used to pay for the exorbitant candidate’s fee. But do be careful of the law regarding donation to opposition parties.
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