Singaporean working in China lashed out at grouses of Singapore PRs
March 31st, 2010 | 
Author: Written by Our Correspondent
A Singaporean working in China on non-expatriate terms has lashed out at the complaints and grouses of some Singapore PRs like Mr Vishal Garg and his wife Shweta in last Saturday’s report in the Straits Times. (‘Almost Singaporean’) in which they complaint about recent cosmetic changes introduced by the PAP to better “differentiate” Singapore citizens from PRs.
“If my son can’t get into a good school because of the balloting, what do I tell him? That it was because you are not Singaporean?” Ms Shweta was quoted as saying in the Straits Times.
Ms Shweta sparked a massive outcry last year with a series of letters to the Straits Times Forum complaining about her child’s predicament and triggering a spat of protests from angry Singaporeans.
One Singapore writer suggested that her husband served two years of National Service before even contemplating enjoying the same rights and privileges as native Singaporeans.
In his letter to the Straits Times Forum today, Mr Patrick Tan related his own personal experience in China where foreigners are regarded as “aliens”:
“I cannot afford to buy a home in China because prices are almost as stiff as in Singapore and I cannot use my Central Provident Fund savings. My two sons cannot attend local schools or participate in local sports because they are not Chinese citizens. They must attend an international school and their annual school fees alone cost more than for a pair of four-year degree courses at the National University of Singapore,” he wrote.
Due to the PAP’s liberal immigration and pro-foreigner policies, foreigners now make up 36 percent of Singapore’s population, up from 14 percent in 1990. Of the remaining 64 percent who are citizens, an increasing number are born overseas.
Unlike other developed countries, it is relatively easy for foreigners to find work in Singapore and obtain a PR within a year. According to the Home Affairs Ministry, every two out of three PR applicants are succcessful, an astonishingly high success rate.
There are some schemes like the landed PR scheme in which foreigners are able to obtain PR even before setting foot onto Singapore.
Foreigners are hailed as “gods” by the PAP government while locals are described as being lazy, unmotivated and daft.
In a recent interview with the National Geographic magazine, PAP strongman Lee Kuan Yew said it is a “good” thing that Singapore has welcomed so many Chinese immigrants (from mainland China) as they are more “hard-driving” and “hard-striving” than locals.
Mr Patrick Tan obviously do not think too highly of some foreigners that the PAP has imported:
“It is true that some foreigners, for example a top biomedical scientist, bring special talents to Singapore and we must always welcome such talent. But for every top talent, there are hundreds who are here because there is good money to be made and Singapore is a vibrant and accommodating country. For many years, Singapore PRs have enjoyed benefits as that of citizens without having to pay for it. In Singapore, citizenship has its privileges, but at least we treat foreigners and PRs with respect and provide them with decent benefits at a minimum cost. In some countries, foreigners are called aliens.”
Singapore is perhaps the only country in the world where the government has no qualms splurging millions of dollars of taxpayers’ monies to provide free meals for foreigners and to celebrate their cultural festivals for them.
It is time the PAP changes its name to FAP or Foreigner Action Party to better reflect its current aspirations and visions – to serve the interests of the foreigners and NOT native Singaporeans.
Unless the FAP is voted out by the next general election, Singaporeans may really become “aliens” in their own country of birth one day.
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“If my son can’t get into a good school because of the balloting, what do I tell him? That it was because you are not Singaporean?” Ms Shweta was quoted as saying in the Straits Times.
Yes Ms Shweta, just tell him that he is not SINGAPOREAN!! If I cannot get my son into an Indian school in India, I will tell my son that he is not INDIAN. He is SINGAPOREAN!!
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The new tagline “your singapore” says it all.. Basically, pap govt is telling foreigners that singapore is theirs..
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Obviously PAP has been dredging the rubbish bins and attracting low end parasites posing as ‘talents’ who can’t afford to send their children to private schools. These ‘talents’ like Vishal or Shweta are mercenery in nature, they are only interested in scoring free meals and maximizing ‘profit’ at the expense of Singapore and Singaporeans.
You can only blame the FAP for letting in these houseflies and leeches.
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These people come here and expect the same pecks as Singaporeans. Mr Vishal Garg and his wife Shweta can send their son to Indian international schools to be with own peers. We do not need you to fight for slot in local schools. Your snob make us more detest to people like you.
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I dread the day, when it comes when we are called “aliens” in our own country.
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Someone said made this link earlier but I felt that its so meaningful that I will repeat her thoughts.
Aesop’s Fable: The Goatherd and the Wild Goats
A GOATHERD, driving his flock from their pasture at eventide, found some Wild Goats mingled among them, and shut them up together with his own for the night. The next day it snowed very hard, so that he could not take the herd to their usual feeding places, but was obliged to keep them in the fold. He gave his own goats just sufficient food to keep them alive, but fed the strangers more abundantly in the hope of enticing them to stay with him and of making them his own. When the thaw set in, he led them all out to feed, and the Wild Goats scampered away as fast as they could to the mountains. The Goatherd scolded them for their ingratitude in leaving him, when during the storm he had taken more care of them than of his own herd. One of them, turning about, said to him: “That is the very reason why we are so cautious; for if you yesterday treated us better than the Goats you have had so long, it is plain also that if others came after us, you would in the same manner prefer them to ourselves.” Old friends cannot with impunity be sacrificed for new ones.
Fast Forward to today in Singapore arent we seeing the above replicated as we speak?
The outcome is perhaps a little different, the old herd is looking to be abandoning the Goatherd ahead of the wild ones so it could be likely that the Goatherd will end up with less of no goats at the end.
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This government has lost its way and its vision. We have to vote them out.
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It is time to vote FAP(Foreigner Action Party)out.
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School fees for international schools in Shanghai / China:
Secondary 4 equivalent = S$36k pa
Primary 1 equivalent = S$28k pa
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i like that . FAP ! Foreigner Action Party! Hehehehhe
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i heard that the elections wont be this year, unless ground sentiments change or economy trend alters significantly. because the PAP has acknowledged that the feel from the ground over the issues of rising costs, job opportunities, stagnant real wages etc, is at an all time low, especially from the middle class this time round.
They are worried.
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Ms Shweta, if your my son really can’t get into a good school because of the balloting….
YES!… you should tell your son that because you are not Singaporean, and that you are an alien, and ppl in this country do not like you.
Keep your mouth shut when you are in standing on other ppl’s land. Move out if you can. We do not need you at all.
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far away enjoying in china and still talks so much for what??
still complain some more..!
don’t like can come back to singapore and enjoy your char kway tiao..
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Bros, remember that people like Mr Vishal Garg and his wife Shweta will always have his home country to go back to if things don’t work out for them here. What about us Singaporeans? Where do we go? Immigrate to western countries? They won’t take all and they only take the best or the rich. We only have this piece of rock we live on as home.
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We have indeed became second class!
When we complained our kids can’t get into a nearby school, the education ministry tells us to find the next nearer one or the next nearer to the nearer one.
When a so call FT whined about their kids can’t get into a prestigious school, Shitty Times prints an article ‘vindicating’ them as poor damsel in distress!
What have these 2 FTs contributed to our country? Who are they to demand better or more priviledged benefits than Singaporeans?
Does Singapore look like a red light country or for that matter Singaporeans are prostitutes for them to patronise and bargain at theirr terms?
Fellow citizens, this what MIW is breeding all along. A new strain of parasites with unfair leverage and bargaining powers that is here to replace everyone except our MIW regime.
This country had sadly become the land of whore abet a different kind.
How many have you shared your views with today?
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Dont know about if elections will be held this year but its looking unlikely for the next quarter considering that they just announced that electricity tariffs will be hiked next quarter.
Papaya gang is arrogant but stupid enough to time elections with price hikes they typically do this way before or just after the elections.
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Ms Shweta, in some popular childcare centres and kindergartens among the Indians, there are many local Singaporean Indians unable even to send their kids to either one because they were all taken by Indian PRs and Indian expats kids.
Local Singaporean Indian children were put on a long waiting list far way behind foreigners and others.
So, you must be considered very lucky already lah…do u understand or not? This is Singapore ok.
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Hey Shweta, I am a Singaporean by birth and I’ve done 2 1/2 years fulltime NS, and my 2 childrens just attended neighbourhood schools lah.
You come to Singapore how long neh, and you want everything best. No complain neh..
Here is good already ..if go back to India, sometimes, even cows also come into your classrooms.
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Ok, this is ONE instance I DO NOT agree with the author who claims: “I cannot afford to buy a home in China because prices are almost as stiff as in Singapore and I cannot use my Central Provident Fund savings. My two sons cannot attend local schools or participate in local sports because they are not Chinese citizens. They must attend an international school and their annual school fees alone cost more than for a pair of four-year degree courses at the National University of Singapore,”
Point by Point rebuttal:
1:I cannot afford to buy a home in China because prices are almost as stiff as in Singapore and I cannot use my Central Provident Fund savings.
Bull, depending on locality, a unit in ShangHai or Beijing is surely HIGH and comparable to Sinkapore but in Wuhan where I bought my 3+2 unit just on the outskirt of town, it cost me only approx RMB 500,000 and thats way way cheaper than a 4 room in Sinkapore.
CPF is only figures on paper applicable to Sinkapore and you expect China to honor a piece of Sinkapore toilet paper? LOL
2: My two sons cannot attend local schools or participate in local sports because they are not Chinese citizens. They must attend an international school and their annual school fees alone cost more than for a pair of four-year degree courses at the National University of Singapore,”
Another Bull, International Schools are NOT as expensive as author claims, certainly the fees are no where near to what a degree would cost in Sinkapore.
I am really curious as to WHICH CITY the author is working in?
Anyway, having said that, I have seen people I know living like an Emperor (ie: comfortably) with only SGD 250,000 in China, NOT in Beijing or ShangHai of course.
Its just whether YOU know HOW.
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Shweta, go see your MP!
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Like garments, governments need to be changed.
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Someday, Bukit Batok Grassroots and their advisor Ms Grace Fu will organise a Singapore River festival like the Ganges River festival in India (taking a shower).
All can cool down and take a dip together with BB grassroots members. Relax and have fun at Singaporeans expense.
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Now this is sad, because there is another Indian International school in town, why not enrolled your kid there.
just don’t understand why you do not tell the truth to your kid, stop telling lies because at the end the truth prevail.
Yes, blame it on the gov and the education minister, make a point to meet up with him and thrash it out with that idiot, and ask him why you’re in such a predicament.
Meanwhile could you please donate to the so called school more and maybe you can “TELL” the principal that you donate money and your time in the school, anything is welcome.
By the way, “are you into the caste thing”? maybe its working against you, they call it “karma”
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Well, I got to say how stupid the Singaporean who’s working in China! Is he an idiot? your children have to goto expensive international schools? I think you have lost your mind in China and I am not surprised at all as when a frog in a little well suddenly jumped out onto a big piece of land,everything is new to him and therefore he always believe what he heard and does not even think of doing his own research and trials in China.
Yes,the house and international schools are expensive,so If you don’t have $$$$ to survive there, pls go back to your own country, Chinese ppl don’t need you there and in China,complaint is useless. If you can’t earn an equivalent amount of S$20k-30k/pa in Shanghai, you are just a rubbish, even my Shanghai senior engineer earn 300kRMB/pa(ie 60KS$) there, and his flat is now worth of 3M RMB,he bought it 6 years ago at 650KRMB only. (S$1 = 4.9RMB)
I also look down those complaining PRs,foreigners. you are not Singaporeans, what the hell do you complain for? very natural that Singapore schools give priority to Singaporeans. If you think this is unfair, go back to your “beloved” country.
We must depend on our own when we move to a foreign country.
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FAP is promoting “you die your business” mentality while showering care and love for FT
GOOD WORK.
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If PAP won the next election, then it is effectively another 7 years before we will have another opporunity to change the current system.
Lee Kuan Yew set up this feudal meritocracy system to benefit himself and the richs. And 7 years is a lot of time for them to make themselves very very rich.
We have to take a little bit of risk; we need to bring PAP representation to below 2/3.
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Fuck the Foreigners. Fuck the PAP. Fuck Mainland China men and women prostitute at Geylang. Glory to native born Singaporeasn Malay Indians and Chinese and Eurasian. Together we bring down the FAP govt and its dogs and bring real glory to real Singaporeans who served National Service and had been tricked by the old fart who think he is god.
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He asking silly question! he know he does not need to do NS, but he wants to enjoy benefits as a citizen. If he is not happy, then get out of this country. Simple as that. He thinks he got the blessing of our gahmen? no way!
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“My two sons cannot attend local schools or participate in local sports because they are not Chinese citizens. ”
Over in singapore, PRC children (who are non-citizens) are allowed not only to take part in local school sport competitions, they are also allowed to represent singapore in overseas international competitions. This is highly unusual!
I have personally witnessed a PRC student representing singapore who doesnt even understand a word of english. When the team manager asks the team to disperse, the whole team disperse except for this PRC student who do not respond at all until some kind souls signal to her using mandarin.
Are we that desperate?
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Very good, Singaporeans are looked down in china and here we look up to china nationals, why?
Is it cos we are a little red dot vs a sea of redness?
Maybe, we hans are less worthy vs the pure breed!
I guess it is cos china can do without us but we cannot, so we need them more than they need us!
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@Sing-A-Poor:
The author simply wanted to point out that foreigners in Singapore enjoy much better treatment in terms of benefits extended by the local government than foreigners in China. He is criticising their ungratefulness for the accommodating atmosphere in Singapore
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Foreigner Action Party! FAP! Let everyone know, make it a catchphrase!
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Ms Shweta,
Go back to your caste system…
We love our citizens. We love Kumar, Ali, and all other races whose parents lived here when Singapore is nothing but a port.
We deserved all the privileges and will not like to share with some people like you.
I seriously detest the way you spoke and certainly don’t hope my homeland get filled with people like you and your descendants which I think will grow up like you.
But one thing you certainly need to be praised for is that you are more of a champion grumbler than native born Singaporeans.
Salute. You have my respect.
But please do back to your caste system..
You really don’t belong here.
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“CPF is only figures on paper applicable to Sinkapore and you expect China to honor a piece of Sinkapore toilet paper? LOL”
Of course, it is a piece of sinkapore toilet paper. But it does come it handy to wipe your housing backside here. The problem is that you can’t cash out what is effectively locked up in your CPF account while in china but still needing a shelter which I believe is what the author means.
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Hello people, just voting out these bastards is enough??? NO way man. They must be arrested, jailed and punished for crimes against its people for way too long. If I had a hand in it, since they “love” China/India so much, I’ll implement immediate dynastic EXECUTIONS! Mandatory Death Penalty.
Let them taste their own medicine. I’ll pay the executioners (for executing MPs) $2.5 m and Chief Executioner (for executing full ministers) $3.8m for doing their jobs. Highest salaries for executioners in the world. World’s first again. Then I’ll open the floodgates and attract other foreign executioners to execute MIW bootlickers the whole island through. They may run but they can’t hide since they all are deal little frogs too.
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Lately i was tasked to interview candidates for an accountant position. I noted 2 trends:
1. A lot of Singaporeans in the mid-30s who are being retrenched due to Company restructuring;
2. PRs who come in asking for lower pay. But so far, the ones that I’ve interviewed are certainly not up to scratch. I can easily find 10 Singaporeans who are better qualified than the PRs. So these are the FTs that our dear government has been letting in all the time?
As a government, the 1st task is to try and solve the unemployment of the PMETs. Becauase they are the ones who have invested the most time for upgrading/ degree etc and then they ended up being replaced by “Foreign Trash”. It is a double-whammy for retrenched people as it is certainly not easy to find a job after you are being let go. And it is also not easy to find one that can pays as well.
After going through all the CVs, it has dawned on me that perhaps I will one day be replaced by this FTs too. Hence, i’m also putting off marriage, trying to save as much as I can during this period of time. You never know what’s going to happen in future…..
To all my fellow Singaporeans out there, pls think throught this issue and come to your own conclusion. Every vote is sacred. Make it count.
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This is only the tip of the iceberg.
In near future these New Citizens will tell us locals to go and die elsewhere as they need the land for their water-sports and what not.
Oooops,I do forget it had already had happened ..Khaw a Penang born Malaysian Chinese already told our sick and old to go and die in JB right.
Comparatively amongst all the foreigners in our land the Malaysian Chinese are the worst lot-they do more damage than talk,second comes Indians from India ; particularly the North Indians typo with their loutish mouth and uncouth behaviour –sort of bark more than bite….I reckon the PRC comes third –lying low and buying time for now but a force to reckon with in 10 years time….in 15 years time PRC will head all our civil service and judiciary since all those PRC scholars now studying free in our schools would automatically be given citizenships and priority in government jobs ; as designed.
In 20 years time ,I foresee Singapore falling apart to pieces in racial superiority and racial riots far worse than ever seen in the entire history of Singapore…..Foreign intervention cannot be ruled out..Another Iraq in the making?
How,how..you may ask !
It would most probably be between PRC turned citizens and Indians from India turned citizens.
Why?
First the historical facts…PRC had always picked a fight with lands they occupied be it Tibetans or Uighur —their strength had always been in their number games ; sort of outnumber the native population.
This exactly what is going to happen in Singapore in 20 years time….there would be more PRC than any others simply put.
Than.
The North Indians from India are no better than PRC in this respect..The bloody and murderous race and religious riots had always taken place in the Northern hemisphere of India…After almost 400 years after the Mogul empire the N.Indians are still killing their descendants…not to mention the caste war,rape,infanticide,bride-burning and etc etc…Just 1 state in N.India(Bihar)..has more of these crimes than all the southern states in India put together.
Both are a bad mix for Singapore.I mean the PRC & N.Indians…And it’s gonna get worse because unlike our ancestors who came from an impoverished ,poor and powerless S. China and S.India…These new migrants are coming from a nuclear powered super powers that are China and India of today.
Why should any of these new foreigners trade their identity and heritage belonging to a super race from a super power to a red-dot of no cultural and historical significance of no more than 20% to 25% of any of their mega cities like Shanghai or Mummbai?
That says all.
What had PAP & LKY done to us ?…MM had always wondered whether if Singapore would still exist 100 years after…Perhaps our New Citizens are gonna give life to hi death wish !
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I think the Singaporean may be referring to big cities such as Shanghai or Peking where property prices may rival that of our own country.
A high-end luxurious apartment can cost up to 3 million yuan (around S$600,000) if you buy in the inner urban cosmopolitan cities.
There is the fear of a property bubble of course.
However, if you stay in second or third tier Chinese cities such as Wuhan, Chengdu or Nanjing, properties are mostly cheaper at around 500,000 (S$100,000) to 800,000 (S$160,000)yuan per unit. Even properties in Suchow now exceeds one million yuan (S$200,000) per unit.
I used to teach in China two years ago and I stayed in a 3-bedroom apartment (approx 1200 sq ft) in a third tier city. It costs me only 500 yuan (S$100) per month rental. If I want to purchase the apartment it costs me only around 90,000 yuan (less than S$20,000).
Frankly I am surprised why Singaporeans never consider moving to live in China. It is so much cheaper and it is rather easy to get a teaching job – teaching English to foreign students.
Hope this help.
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Laurent Xavier,
they know jolly well that the sentiment on the ground is getting angrier at them each passing day. If the election is not held this year, there is only one damn bloody good reason for them to do so. They will convert another 20k plus new citizens and update the election register for the 3rd time since last year so that all newly converted new citizens will be eligible to vote come next election.
let’s hope the rate of people willing to vote them out is higher that the new citizens.
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Mrs ShitWare….just tell your son that he is not a singaporean….its the truth…..why deny it? You expect to just walk in and be given the benefits of a citizen? Screw you cow…..avp in a bank….big deal….there are tons of avps and vps walking around.
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My dear, Mr. Patrick Tan, how come you do not know how to exploit China’s loop-holes in law and regulation as most Singaporeans are “trained” as experts by the despicable million-dollar miw?
Too bad, you married a “non-China girl” as your wife and have given birth to non-Chinese-nationality off-springs but yet, aspire to work in China and enjoy Chinese citizen’s benefits, rights and privileges; this is totally absurd and ridiculous.
My advice to you if, you really desire to enjoy China citizen’s benefits and rights than, divorce your present martial wife and re-marry a Chinese National of China origin. Last but not least, change your off-springs’ nationalities to PRC.
In future, please plan ahead and not complaint after commitment of self-made mistakes.
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This Shweta doesnt seem to understand the word ballot aka tikum/lucky draw. If you do not get a place… blame it on ur luck and not whether u are singaporeans or not.
BTW, if my kids do not get into prestige schools … can i also blame the gov for giving away some of the vacancies to foreigners hence decreasing my chances of success?
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the comparison is not exactly fair as the LW is not a PR in china. do PRs in china have much fewer rights than citizens?
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this is not right.
the FTs who came here know what they’re in for; isn’t it so? i don’t go to other people’s home and demand for equal rights? it’s as if i go to somebody’s home and say i want to sleep in the master bedroom and demand equal status; this is atrocious!
i, allowing you to stay with me, in my home, doesn’t mean you and me shared the same equal rights. this makes perfect logical sense, isn’t it??
know where you stand and be humble. you and i know why you people are here in the first place. please.
but why isn’t the gov on the same side as us? aren’t they supposed to be our “guardian”? aren’t they supposed to take “more” care of us? do they still remember the vow they took when they assumed their MP?? for the citizens of singapore.
well. short term memory at its best for the intellectually few.
on the extreme, we’re supposed to be exploiting the FTs, else why we want them here?? but on the contrary we’re being exploited by them!! its a joke!!
if all fails, who’s gonna clear the mess?? sad to say, it’ll be us, the innocent citizens of singapore.
honestly, i’m exploring my options now, and i urge all folks to seriously consider your available options, as well.
change is inevitable.
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don’t ask for too much by giving so little
the government welcomes you as foreign talents but not the citizens,the government exits after being elected by the people and if the governments fails to look after the interest of its citizens…then time for a change.
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//In near future these New Citizens will tell us locals to go and die elsewhere as they need the land for their water-sports and what not.//
that is why if those on top don’t give a damn in the difference between locals and foreigners, we must also learn from such good lesson also not give a damn between them on top and the oppositions. no choice lah. they like rojak, we give them nice rojak with more chilli. they think they god hah, must be treated so differently.
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Thank God this country is not being ruled by anyone on this website, otherwise Singapore would be stuck in the mud while its new rulers will be too busy trying to blame someone else for the problem.
You are all angry, that is very obvious…but that doesn’t mean you have to stop making sense.
My 2 cent: Propose a full blown economic policy that relies less on foreign employees and more on local talent…and then start championing that. Argue your proposal’s superiority and feasibility over status quo if you want to add any value.
What this website is becoming unfortunately is a collection of helpless people just making noise.
no wonder the opposition doesn’t win anything.
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Vote for Opposition Party because current situation will only get worst day by day with ruling party getting things done at our expense.
***** Advantages of Opposition Party ruling the country *****
1) Native Singaporean can easily live with Dignity & Pride
2) Policies at our disadvantage & short-change shall be address and eradicated.
3) New Citizens need to be enlisted for NS ( National Service )
4) Tougher & Stringent guide line for imported talents.
5) PR staying more than 3years need to do NS or their PR status be automatically be void.
6) HDB flat prices will come down gradually so that our youngsters are able to purchase their flats to get married and have more babies. With the increase of native couples having more babies is the only healthy, peaceful & sensible solution to increase one’s country population.
7) Fake foreign talents shall be send home immediately.
Singapore For Native Singaporean Only !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ms Shweta, If you happen to read this, I would more than happy to tell you that you can always “F**K off” from Singapore and back to your own country, I am pretty sure and confident that PAPpies can always replaced you and your family with new Foreign Trash (FT) in no time.
Stop grumbling and bitching around, as if this country own you a living. Borrowed an quote on @Viva Democracy “What have these 2 FTs contributed to our country? Who are they to demand better or more priviledged benefits than Singaporeans?” You blamed everyone except yourself and stop demanding equal rights! Please keep in mind that you don’t belong to this land.
Really despise these arrogant FTs, think they are the queens and kings here. In reality, they are nothing but problems and pissing everyone off with their snobbish altitude.
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.. foreigners now make up 36 percent of Singapore’s population, up from 14 percent in 1990. Of the remaining 64 percent who are citizens, an increasing number are born overseas.
this means the actual number of local born citizens could be less than 50% by now. with the rate of change fueled by this liberal imm policies, singaporeans will be a minority in their country soon; i think they cud be less than 10% of the total population in 5 to 10 years. can anyone imagine the bold decisions of a few people can cause such speedy and drastic changes, like losing 20 years of savings in a few short months of speculations?
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PAP = Por Aliens Party
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@fmallfly who said: My advice to you if, you really desire to enjoy China citizen’s benefits and rights than, divorce your present martial wife and re-marry a Chinese National of China origin. Last but not least, change your off-springs’ nationalities to PRC.
This is so very true. All it takes is brains and not just complaint and complaint.
However, China has no immigration policy to allow foreigners into taking China Citizenship although there are some unofficial and legal exceptions.
@peanuts, you are NOT wrong. The percentage of ‘imported’ citizens is crawling past the 50% mark and it is the ‘aim’ of the gahment to shoot past the mark so that they can maintain a steady pool of ‘obligated’ PAPies voters.
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It is unlikely that the PAP will be voted out at the next election. But what can happen and should happen is that they should lose a good number of seats and some “well known people” should lose thyeir seats. That will bring about a new style of government.
Maybe then.. the PAP will listen
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“If my son can’t get into a good school because of the balloting, what do I tell him? That it was because you are not Singaporean?” Ms Shweta was quoted as saying in the Straits Times.
if my son can’t get into a good school because of the balloting, what do i tell him? That it was because your place have been taken up by a foreigner?
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PR Interviewer on Wed, 31st Mar 2010 1:14 pm
Not surprised that some of the FT are DUDs.
I can’t vouch for everywhere but I heard from reliable source ( a Chinese Professor) that outside the top 10 Universities in China, a lot of graduates bought their degrees by the route of “political donation” if their parents are rich enough.The educational system in PRC is highly corrupted – no less than other economic sector.
Expect the expected.
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I am PR and will be paying around S$8,000 in taxes this year! If you pay more taxes, you can criticise me for wanting to enjoy the same rights and privileges as native Singaporeans. If not, you should count yourself lucky to have those rights and privileges without my price tag
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“If my son can’t get into a good school because of the balloting, what do I tell him? That it was because you are not Singaporean?”
Silly & snobbish Mrs Garg!
YOUR ATTITUDE SUCKS!
Vishal Garg and his wife Shweta are a typical bunch of snobbish & selfish PRs.
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Relax people, this is just the beginning. I am sure that we will be seeing more and more foreigners like Shweta making ridiculous and unreasonable complains and demands of this current weak pap government. If there are Singaporeans who still do not fully appreciate and understand the urgency of voting in opposition MPs to safeguard our national dignity, pride, collective national reserve, interest and way of life, then we deserve to be bullied and push aside by foreigners even in our own country. Unfortunately, the government is weak, but our people shouldn’t. Ask, if not me who, if not now, when? Come election, do the right thing for our country and our young ones.
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on the same note, if a singaporean son cannot get into a good school because of pro ft gov policy, should the singaporean parents tell him its because he is a third class citizen in his own country?
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very soon these ft will vote in their own ft as the pm because they will feel better if their own pple is holding all the power.
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Gilbert Goh wrote:
Gilbert Goh on Wed, 31st Mar 2010 1:52 pm
“I think the Singaporean may be referring to big cities such as Shanghai or Peking where property prices may rival that of our own country.
A high-end luxurious apartment can cost up to 3 million yuan (around S$600,000) if you buy in the inner urban cosmopolitan cities.
There is the fear of a property bubble of course.
However, if you stay in second or third tier Chinese cities such as Wuhan, Chengdu or Nanjing, properties are mostly cheaper at around 500,000 (S$100,000) to 800,000 (S$160,000)yuan per unit. Even properties in Suchow now exceeds one million yuan (S$200,000) per unit.
I used to teach in China two years ago and I stayed in a 3-bedroom apartment (approx 1200 sq ft) in a third tier city. It costs me only 500 yuan (S$100) per month rental. If I want to purchase the apartment it costs me only around 90,000 yuan (less than S$20,000).
Frankly I am surprised why Singaporeans never consider moving to live in China. It is so much cheaper and it is rather easy to get a teaching job – teaching English to foreign students.”
Hi Gilbert,
I wanted to go to China to live but how is it possible since it is very difficult to get PR in China. Practically there are no PRs in China. So how to live there except when you get a working visa which will expire the moment you stop working there. As for teaching English, most teaching jobs go to native speakers, lots of them earning just a few thousand RMB a month.
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It is true what the author Patrick has mentioned.
My husband has been posted by his company to Shanghai on and we are here for a couple of years now. I must clarify that I am not complaining about life in China because I know as foreigners, the Chinese government has no obligation to take care of our interest. It is true that the foreigners are not allowed to send our children to local schools. Neither are we allowed to buy their public housing meant for low income. Our children have to attend international school. One of the cheapest international school which is Shanghai Singapore international school charges school fees at rmb106,000 per annum for tuition fee for primary level. There are other cost required on top of that. Check http://www.SSIS.cn for people who doubt the cost. Also the private housing that aliens can buy are usually quite expensive as Shanghai is one province where the property prices have increased drastically.
Also the income tax in China for foreigners is really high. The highest rate for taxable income exceeding rmb100,000 (about S$20k) is 45%. In fact at income exceeding rmb40,000 (about S$8.5k) it is already at 30%. However,we accepted the fact that for whatever taxes we pay, we do not get any benefits in return except to be able to continue to have the chance to work in China. Try applying a green card in land rich china, you will need to wait very long and still may not be able to obtain.
Singapore is one of the few countries that accepted many foreigners’/PR children into local schools at much cheaper fee. It also allows foreigners/PR to buy HDB flats which is low cost housing meant for the lower income. Income tax is also relatively low. Also PR and even citizenship is quite easy to obtain in Singapore. The government policies are more than fair to the PR/foreigners otherwise there won’t be so many foreign talents of all levels flocking into Singapore. I just wonder why there are still complains.
It is also one of the very few countries where the government would, after taking taxpayers money to help foreigners/PR and also rewarding themselves with extremely high pay, still refer to some Singaporeans as lazy.
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Hi True Singaporean
I can’t agree more than you. The North Indian bring their so call social class culture to Singapore and look down on Indian Singaporean as well as Female Singaporean. To these northed Indian female is of lower social status as well.
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RPR:
If you are unhappy paying more taxes, leave Singapore then.
Seriously, we too overcrowded already. So if you’re unhappy as a PR paying more taxes than us, leave lor! No one gives a shit if you stay anyway!
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@Jenny on Thu, 1st Apr 2010 2:16 am
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. WHAT MORE CAN I SAY???
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OK here is the good news..in 2015 Singapore New Sing GOV will stop taking any new immigrants.. As Singapore population was growing at a rate all of a sudden.. So all the road cleaning,cement work..dirty work..will be taken over by Singaporeans..Singapore mothers will be granted 3 year half paid “child care” leave.
Government will remove “Social integrity” program, instead will implement “Grand mama take care baby”program .Because year 2015 modern grand mama’s need to catch up “how to take care daughter in law’s or Daughters kids after 3 years”
All Education fee will be removed.. Child birth @ hospital no fee..total kids health care will be free or half pay (depend on the case). this is to support and enhance “need more baby’s” program to think Singaporeans to min get 3 kids at home.
oh…morning alarm..ring..gosh its a dream…
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The foreigners (and that includes PRs) are arrogant in singapore because pap made them feel like singaporeans need them… with stupid and ball-less singaporeans cowering in fear.. nothing will change…
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This situation is like the 5 chinese monkeys hijacking a SBS transit bus and then ‘activating’ the Singapore Police with their incessant whinings until they get a free cab.
If any Singaporeans dare to pull this trick, you know what to expect.. a One Night Stay at the “luxurious” one-man detention cell in a nearby police station.
The Singapore police are weak against ordinary foreign hooligans. The lists goes on.
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Screw u Ms Shewta…Going back to your country you foreign indian prick!
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Hey pariah RPR go back to your country, you take away Singaporean jobs! Screw you please f**k off!
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■RPR on Wed, 31st Mar 2010 10:15 pm
“I am PR and will be paying around S$8,000 in taxes this year! If you pay more taxes, you can criticise me for wanting to enjoy the same rights and privileges as native Singaporeans. If not, you should count yourself lucky to have those rights and privileges without my price tag ”
we don’t want your 8k. u have our blesssings to live. We can take in another foreigner on our terms who will willingly pay 8k n above without grumbling so much and asking for so much.
Just for your information alot of our parents were PRs before they became citizens. So our parents and us have contributed alot more than u. U come in now and give 8k and u think that is big money? hehehehehe .
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sorry it was supposed to be ” u have our blessings to leave” not “live”
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While I very much would like to see the downfall of the PAP, I am sure that come the next GE, people will continue to vote for them.
Singaporeans are very ignorant creatures. They believe in showing gratitude to the PAP. This is wrong. The PAP is there to do a JOB. Show gratitudes to your parents not the PAP.
1) I would be more than happy to see opposition take over 2 GRCs.
2) LKY to die in 2010. He must not live beyond this year.
3) Goh Chok Tong to die soon after LKY or before – doesn’t matter as long as he dies soon.
that will make my day.
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