Desmond Lim barred from meeting Potong Pasir residents
July 27th, 2010 | 
Author: The ongoing internal conflict within the Singapore People’s Party took another abrupt turn lately when it was reported in the Chinese evening daily Lianhe Wanbao that beleaguered Assistant Secretary-General Desmond Lim Bak Chuan will be barred from meeting Potong Pasir residents.
The decision was apparently made by SPP Secretary-General and Potong Pasir MP Mr Chiam See Tong and sent to Mr Lim via a SMS by his wife Ms Lina Loh.
A visibly upset Mr Lim told the media:
“They have to accept the election result and cannot deny the contributions I have made over the last 14 years because they are unhappy with me. Even if they do not allow me to meet the residents, my contributions to the party are still witnessed by the public.”
Mr Lim was said to be at loggerheads with Ms Lina Loh over the joining of Reform Party into SDA and he was accused of bringing in 30 supporters to register as members at last Sunday’s party conference to ensure he gets elected into the CEC.
The fracas was given extensive coverage by the state media which is quick to capitalize on it to paint the opposition in a bad light by washing SPP’s “dirty linen” publicly for all to see.
The negative publicity is unlikely to help SPP’s cause in the next election where it may face an uphill task retaining Potong Pasir which was held by Mr Chiam for the last 25 years.
Mr Chiam had indicated his desire to lead a team in a GRC and his seat at Potong Pasir is likely to be contested by Ms Lina Loh.
For some strange reasons, the Straits Times published only one article on it while the Chinese papers have been harping on the saga non-stop for the last two days.
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The SPP and Lina has no rights to bar Desmond Lim from meeting Potong Pasir residents.
Ask them to pull out any Constitutional Laws in the SPP. Potong Pasir is a public housing estate so he can visit the residents anytime he wants.
KR
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is the iq of the writer so low that he dun understand why ST publish 1 article and wanbao harp on it?? he never read wanbao before?
btw demographic of potong pasir may be more chinese paper reader.
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Mr Lim was said to be at loggerheads with Ms Lina Loh over the joining of Reform Party into SDA and he was accused of bringing in 30 supporters to register as members at last Sunday’s party conference to ensure he gets elected into the CEC
Hmm, getting bringing 30 new supporters wow, in the Marine Force is will be consider “Munity On Board” in the ship to challenge the Captian (Watch the hunt of the red octcber)
However, from the Corporate World I come from, this is just a business as usual “Power Grab” ganging up to over throw the CEO
Mr Lim should had wintess the AWARE saga, the church suddenly bring in so many thousands of new member with new faces from thin air to vote. (question:” can new members vote???????? hello, they had not make any contribution yet)
Democracy is always messy, it can be a bad force to bring you down, it also be force to response for the good when the real people who care fought back in the case of AWARE
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these opposition parties damn kotek la… infighting amongst themselves, when at this crucial stage for the 1st time have such a commanding moral advantage over the pappies, they go and shoot themselves in the foot with petty squabbles… haiz… like this how to win next election??!!
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Even if they do not allow me to meet the residents, my contributions to the party are still witnessed by the public.”
All the public had seen, is this “status quo” by a bunch of old people. Let me qoute what Mr Obama Barrck Hussien said:”Don’t kick the can along the road” Mr Lim have you grow the party???
Mr Lim are you a “Progressive Leftist” ????? Please understand, NO GROW equal STAGNATION, and STAGNATION equal decline. Nobody is asking you to quit, but if you are in the business of maintaince jobs, please stand down !!!
John Maccian, Chiam See Tong, Mr Lim is just too old, step aside I wonder if his health permit him to run for office. Let the new blood in, time to rejunvate the party for a new cause.
Closing I will qoute Mr Obama Barrck Hussien:”If it is not now, then when ??? tomorrow, another tomorrow ??? we must set a dateline, a goal, a plan in motion” (wow I suddenly sound like a Liberal, must be watching to much C-SPAN liao)
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Long live Chairman Mao!
Long live Mr Chiam!
All the wives problems!
Ha ha ha!
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Shallow monkeys now understand why Great Asia need to Fxxk the opposition?
They are nothing buy cockroaches.
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Mr Chiam had indicated his desire to lead a team in a GRC and his seat at Potong Pasir is likely to be contested by Ms Lina Loh.
This infighting is a good sign, a blessing in disguise.
Hello, Mr Chiam See Tong, what took you so long ???
25 yrs in Potong Pasir, buddy that is a long time, did we lost you?
Again, you had stroke, can your health allow to you to run for office
When will there be a New Leader from SPP:”PAP tear down these walls”
(text taken from Ronald Reagan)
When will there be a New Leader from SPP:”Read my lips, no more tax”
(text taken from George Bush Senior
When will there be a New Leader from SPP:”It is time for a change”
(text taken from Bill Clinton)
Will there be New Leader from SPP: “American Youth, are you fired up”
(text taken from Obama Barrck)
Sadly, Singapore politic very boring leh any want watch David Cameron speech remarks on Palestine Prison Camp???
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majulah singapura.cheers
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Great Asia:
July 28, 2010 at 12:38 am
Chairman Mao was repsonsible for Cultural Revolution, agriculture palnning. Stalin was repsonsible for Industrial Revolution, the workers factory planing
It was Zhou Enlai invited american vistors to come. It was Deng Xiao Ping, that coin this terms Black cat or white cats does not matter as long as it catch rats” Meaning Captialism or Socialism Market Base as long as the country is progressing, prospersity and harmony
If there is no Chairman Mao there is no New China (freedom from Japs)
If there is no Deng Xiao Ping there is no prosper New China
China is always changing her leaders, from Mr Jiang Mr Wen, to Mr Hu…this is new ideas new blood
That is why China had the fastest bullet train in the world, that is why China will produce 80 million laptops computers in Chongqing…etc
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CST vs. Minister Mental LKY. Who is fight for the mentaldome kingdom. Well, leaves us with NSP and SDP I guess?
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Hey,the truth is not out yet! Whom know they might be the next World Class Opposition Party someone is looking out for, haha!
Internal conflicts is common but we outsider just listen n should not jump to wrong speculations and conclusion.
If Mr Demond Lim not that bad, why still got people so mad with him leh. Think, think and think harder!
Good luck to SPP though i’m not their supporter but I have great respect for Mr Chiam and so much MM Lee respected him also. Take care , Mr Chiam!
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One can’t help but think that there are some agent provocateurs planted by the PAP in the rank/file of the opposition. The timing is too uncanny.
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’some agent provocateurs planted by the PAP in the rank/file of the opposition’ or in SPP leadership == Mrs Chiam?
More likely she juz angry that homegrown boy Desmond Lim prevented her hubbie from being conned by pseudo-Ang Moh.
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@wtdf
One can’t help but think that there are some agent provocateurs planted by the PAP in the rank/file of the opposition. The timing is too uncanny.
I have the same gut feeling that there is some infiltration agent within the party ranks that cause this internal conflict.
Stay focus on the party merger or alliance to win next election or else there will be nothing for the party to be clinch on…
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who is SDA, why would they need accept a rundog like Desmond Lim, jump fm one party to another, is SDA so desperate for members?then i think they’re not a worthy opposition but another spy agencies whose purpose is to discredit the opposition
wonder if DL so desperate that he thinks if old Chiam move aside, he sure win to replace him, in fact old Chiam is doing all his supporters a favour by ask his wife to contest and lose, so the residence can hv their free upgrade of estate, he must hv feel real sorry for his supporters
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Infighting is common in any political party.PAP itself is a good example.But because LKY destroyed all his competition ruthlessly -undemocratically…locals are brought up with an illusion that all is well within a part so long as none surfaces.The reality is PAP is a bigger candidate for far worse infighting once the lau lee dies.
The only difference is PAP is held by strongman and opposition parties by democratic process…Where strongman exists,like Mao,Tito or Stalin or even Saddam for example their ruthlessness of weeding opposition within their party gives us a false notion of party stability…we should not mistake it for ,pseudo-stability..Far from it-it actually hides a time bomb waiting to explode.Sort of releasing all that tension and pressure once the strongman dies.
Anyway,I see it as a healthy sign.Let the weak perish.Nature will take care of it anyway.If Chiam is SPP and SPP is Chiam than once Chiam is weak the party is good as gone with or without Lina or Desmond.And through this fight only good emerges.If Desmond can hold his ground than emerges a younger Desmond as future politician.Does it matter if he is with SPP or not?
I see the positive aspect of this.
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If there is no Chairman Mao there is no New China (freedom from Japs)
that is not true, it was the KMT who lead the fight against Japs. Mao was still small fry then.
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Potong Pasir residents should that note of the following:
a. Chiam See Tong is not unlike Lee Kuan Yew. He wants to pass the baton to his wife. After that to his children? LKY handed the baton to Lee Hsian Loong but had a safe seat-warmer in the PM position for a while.
b. CST is no threat to the PAP. He actually lends the PAP some credibility.
c. Was Lina Loh elected democratically?
d. Did CST groom a leader to succeed him after so many years in opposition? Emphatic NO.
e. CST has not been effective in opposition.
f. He should recognize that he is old, in frail health and should leave politics with his wife who is also not far behind him age and health-wise.
CST and LL should not cling to the constituency seat to the detriment of his constituents. He was elected because they believe that he could represent their interests but now, it is obvious, he is not capable of doing so. He should go to his constituents and them so instead of trying to put his wife in his place. He should resign the seat and call for elections.
MR. & MRS. CHIAM – please do the right thing.
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The SPP held a party conference on Sunday, 25 July 2010 to elect 14 members to its Central Executive Committee.
Every nomination process is a gruelling endeavour, one that tests the hearts and minds of the candidates.
The opposition candidates need to withstand intense scrutiny, withering attacks and unfair criticisms, especially from the main media controlled by the FamiLees. It isn’t easy, and those who enter the political arena as an opposition candidate deserves our support because these candidates who emerge victorious, while they may be imperfect have admirable grit and courage.
Successful candidates have to have a strong sense of self and purpose.
It is also important to bear in mind that to succeed long term in the political arena, candidates must represent more than their own narrow interests.
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Look the whole problem started because of Kenneth Reform Party’s completely unreasonable and undemocratic demands.
Chiam being old and desperate agreed to the terms even though the demands meant that SDA would become nothing but a puppet of Kenneth J. I don’t want to mention his father’s name in full here because he is undeserving of that title.
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I have personally seen and spoken with Mr Desmond Lim. I apprecate
his contribtions to help Mr Chiam. But Mr Lim should recognise the fact that Mr Chiam is getting on in age and therefore, the Party needs to bring in more dynamic leaders who can not only perform his duties to the constituents in Potong Pasir but also who can possess good oratorical skills. In this aspect, I felt Mr Desmond Lim will not impress. He will be good as helper but if he should stand for a seat as MP, I am 100% confident he stands no chance. Sorry, Desmond, that is my personal thought.
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Desmond is too green.
Great men don’t think in such petty scopes.
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To fedup:
Please don’t joke. It is SPP CEC election, not WP, RP, SDA or whatever election. It is for SPP people to decide who they want: Mrs Chiam or Mr Lim.
It’s family matter.
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The reason why Chinese Newspapers are harping on SPP’s issues continuously is because the newspapers perceived CST has the “backing” of certain “animals” from the UK in his political career?
As ST is an English Newspaper formerly established and trained by the “English” it will be counter-poductive to “harass” CST as both belong to the same “master” under the guise of political competition!
Never forget, the British helped LKY and his cronies in “XXX” operation during the early 60s’ political tumult against BN-their major opponents! Without the help of the British it will be closed to impossible for LKY and his cronies to destroy BN totally and subsequencely acheived their political cum commercial hegemony in Singapore!
Dirty, very dirty, very, very dirty, very, very, very dirty……..
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Moes not in RP or SDA who make it sound like KJ is the better person in taking over SPP as SG are hilarious.
It is a proposed alliance, not merger or takeover. In fact, it is SPP slecting their own SG.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Stupid fellows.
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Kerith Ravine: July 27, 2010 at 11:28 pm
This is 100% correct – “The SPP and Lina has no rights to bar Desmond Lim from meeting Potong Pasir residents.”
This is absolutely wrong – “Ask them to pull out any Constitutional Laws in the SPP.” There is no Constitution Law here. The SPP is a political party and not a country. What you mean is the SPP Constitution or the SPP Memorandum and Articles of Association, don’t you???
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Hey you bloody fucking SPP – go and die lah all you bloody mother fuckers. Day in day out quarrelling and fighting like cheap backlane sluts. You fucking jolly know the sufferings of people who are desperately hoping to vote you people so that you can put a stop to PAP’s atrocities. But what the fuck are you all doing. Instead of working together to help the citizens and save our country you bloody fuckers are get on our nerves.
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Long live Chairman Mao!
Long live Chairman Chiam!
All the wives problems!!!
Ha ha ha!!!!!!
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Dear Mr Chiam, you are useless!!!
Ha ha ha!
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Hey, thanks…I’ve been waiting for news like that. Fantastic! That’s really helpful. Thank you!
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The proposed cooperation with RP is to keep SDA alive and CST’s legacy. It was never intended to be a clever election strategy. Patpong Pasir is very small and likely to join with Bisha/Da Payoh. CST is in poor health and unlikely to be a magnet for votes outside of PP precinct. The no. of votes in the PP precinct will not be enough to bring up the average. It is an exercise in futility. 2 scholars from RP will be sacrificed in the process.
It’s better to call off the proposed alliance.
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What the article means DL is not allowed to be present at MPS.DL can meet PP residents 7/24,but not at MPS.Read carefully
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The meaning is very simple,DL is no longer wanted as an assistant in the MPS in P.P .DL can meet any body in any constituentcy including AMK and Tanjoung Pagar GRC.
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Angela Chang:
July 28, 2010 at 9:41 am
KMT is courrupted, Chan Kai Shek rather fight the commies than taking on the Japanses forces. Chan Kai Shek believe the commies is a greater threat than Japan invasion
KMT is so courrpted the City People, that is his core supporter (e.g yellow shirt) forsaken him. Chairman Mao had the rural supporter
Please read the China history, Madam Chan went to USA, at the state of the union she gave her speech for more military hardware and donations for the war effort. Chan Kai Shiek had all the manpower, equipments yet this idiot failed to deliver any result
The small fry you mention won the fight, this is a FACT
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Angela Chang:
July 28, 2010 at 9:41 am
The small fry with rural farmers won the war
Chan Kai Shek, with all the military power seen the mass slaugher at Nanjing where millions of chinese were killed, loot and rape, yet he stood there and did nothing, What kind of man is this??? jerk
Without his educated WIFE, that raise funds for this general, aiyah go watch the State Of Union speech given by his wife.
Chang Kai Shek, can’t even speak a single English word
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It is sad to see, only when Uncle Chiam had a stroke, now he want to try his luck on GRC, too little too late
Have any watch his speech at Parilment, he was struggling at his words, he is not the same man he used to be
One would wonder, where is his party “succession planning???”
SPP is no threat to the PAP, their Leader is too old, he don’t have a fighting chance to win a GRC
SPP run like party a provision shop, after all it is a Hushand and Wife team, with his nephew Desmond Boy Boy. We all know Provision Shop never expand, never grow, never see any new face
In the Corporate World, I love small business, they are good working partners, they are NEVER A THREAT to your company. They lack of funding, they lack of expertise, they lack of experience, they had small ambition, you hardly hear anything from them, besides they never had any succession planning, poorly run, it is a family run business.
Did you see Hillary Clinton and Obama Barrack go head on, both were heading for legal battles. However, there is board of appointed members, usually the very experience and senior ones that had the “exculsive rights to votes” the Head of the Democrats is Howard Dean, the make sure the rules and regulation are properly followed. That was when Hillary being a member of the Democrats, stand down gracefully.
You see lah, this is what I call “Got System” professional people runnning the party.
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Leena wants to contest Potong. But if Potong no more, then contest what ah? Issit excuse for Leena to join CEC. Diamond must question CEC.
Election Xperience
Diamond 2x GRC leader / Leena kosong
Age
Diamond 43 years young / Leena 60+
Education
Diamond Masters degree / Leena dunno
Occupation
Diamond Manager Mobile1 / Leena hosuwife
Score: 4 – 0
Alamak, just heard on 97.2 FM. Diamond got sacked as Potong TC consultant. Diamond Jia You! Jia You! Diamond Jia You!
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Ability to bring in people
Diamond 30 / Leena 9
Score : 5-0
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ah beng:
July 28, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Angela Chang:
July 28, 2010 at 9:41 am
KMT is courrupted, Chan Kai Shek rather fight the commies than taking on the Japanses forces. Chan Kai Shek believe the commies is a greater threat than Japan invasion
KMT is so courrpted the City People, that is his core supporter (e.g yellow shirt) forsaken him. Chairman Mao had the rural supporter
Please read the China history, Madam Chan went to USA, at the state of the union she gave her speech for more military hardware and donations for the war effort. Chan Kai Shiek had all the manpower, equipments yet this idiot failed to deliver any result
The small fry you mention won the fight, this is a FACT
WHY THIS AH BENG ALWAYS TALK RUBBISH, HE FROM WHICH PARTY? LUCKY NOT PAP, OTHERWISE SACK ON THE SPOT!
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Chiam to contest in a GRC. Desmond to contest in Potong Pasir. Lina to contest in a lorong in Geylang.
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We have often been quick to criticise the PAP government over some of their policies. Many have advocated that the PAP government should be voted out during the upcoming elections… My question is as follows:
Apart from the workers party, are they any other credible opposition parties available ready to take over from the PAP?
Looking at the series of infighting and politics going on, I think the answer is A FAT NO!! What kind of stupid crap is this? Infighting? Come on… Stop all these nonsense shit and wake up SPP if you want to win and contest in the next upcoming elections… Learn from the workers’ party and PAP…. I can’t imagine voting for a party like SPP….. Imagine them winning a GRC and/or a single ward… Instead of addressing to the citizen’s needs, who knows, they may spend their time trying to ‘FIX’ each other.. What a laughing stock this party is.. Crap..
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Wat is important is not the process but the outcome. See how SPP is going to win a GRC this time then we see who will get the last laugh!!
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“big black dot”, if you read the conditions Kenneth J laid out over the RP-SDA “merger” you’ll agree with me that its more like a “takeover”.
For example, RP has the right to kick out any SDA candidates are not elected! But if RP candidates are not elected, no loss for them.
Seems more like Chiam is desperate and willing to give in to any of KJ’s unreasonable demands just so he can have his change in a GRC. That’s probably cause Chiam doesn’t have enough candidates to put together in a GRC.
Instead of looking at Desmond who has stuck with him all this while, he wants to pass power over to his wife (sounds like Lee family), and let KJ have his way.
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Who say there is no credible opposition? Workers Party is the best!!!
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CHIAM A TOTAL FAILURE: After more than a quarter of a century, what did Chiam did to the opposition cause in Singapore? Absolutely nothing. He was not cooperative with JBJ during the period when they were both in parliament and that was very evident during the 1992 Marine Parade by- election. He then tried to muzzle and suppress Chee(who is a fighter unlike Chiam). He then resign as SG of the SDP when he could not get his own dictitorial ways. He is so useless that after all these years he can’t even attract enough good candidates to contest a GRC that he has to run to a newbie(the Reform Party)to try to form an alliance. And as though that is not enough, after almost 35 years in politics, all he can offer is his housewife to substitute himself.
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