You can take a Singaporean out of Singapore but you cannot take Singapore out of a Singaporean

Two years ago I, with my Canadian-born 12 yr old son were in a eating centre in the People’s Park.

It was late at night and only two stores were opened. One of them mended by a few PRC young ladies and they kept calling me to order from them. Another store hired a old Chinese man who spoke to me in Hokkien:”What do you want to order”.

I ordered from the Hokkien speaking store.

Then I assked for the boss. He was a man of about mid 40. I asked him whether I can speak to him in English so that my son can understand me. He said OK….he sounded more like those in the Hokkien platoon in my time of the army in the 1970s.

I explained to him why I ordered from him. I said it is bec. he employed this Hokkien-speaking old man. I look at his eyes and he almost like crying. He said:”Mister, if I don’t employ him who will? I can employ a young PRC lady to help me push for sales, but I am a Singaporean, how can I let this old man be jobless.”

He then thank me and walk away.

I told my son, I need to go to the toilet. I cried like a little boy in the toilet. “You can take a Singaporean out of Singapore but you cannot take Singapore out of a Singaporean.” I still feel for Singapore and I cried because I saw Singapore has fallen to such a level. Why?

Well that’s 2 years ago….perhaps Singapore might have improved.

Anyone cares to update me.

 

Bernard Chan

* The writer migrated to Canada in 1991.

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61 Responses to “You can take a Singaporean out of Singapore but you cannot take Singapore out of a Singaporean”

  • Plumber:

    Bernard, no, it has gotten worst!

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  • AgreeBUTAA:

    The relentless influx of immigrants are just for elections and low wages, nothing more. MM has come out and say it is for Singapore’s low birth. Why people are not producing? The roots of the problems lay where?

    What cork is it?

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  • Yamasam:

    I just wanna say I’m happy you have emigrated and left this country which I feel is no longer one that belongs to Singaporeans.

    At the same time, I am also saddened that the country has lost a son whose heart is in the right place, whose priority lies with fellow Singaporeans. The fact you cried over this incident showed that you are a Singaporean true and true. If Singapore will ever to have any chance to be a Singapore For Singaporeans again, it is people like you that are needed to make it happen. Unfortunately for Singapore, you have emigrated.

    And FYI, the Singapore today is probably worse off than what you have experienced 2 years ago. In fact, I think “worse off” is probably an understatement.

    Anyway, best wishes for you and family in your new adopted country.

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  • Bernard,don’t worry, I will make sure “Pappy” is booted out !

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  • Bishan Park:

    Welcome to United Nation of Stingapore.(UNS)

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  • SO:

    Hi Bernard,

    No. In fact it has gotten worse. I am one of those suffering now coming to 40, jobless etc etc. To set the record straight i am not anti foreigner but the rights of TRUE BLUE Singaporeans must come ABOVE ALL ELSE! The imports can work on meagre wages but we CANT cos we have bills like HDB PUB etc etc. Pressure is getting day by day and after discussing with my wife-to-be, i am seriously thinking to UPROOT to her country and treat my motherland as a holiday destination.

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  • [Quote:He said:”Mister, if I don’t employ him who will? I can employ a young PRC lady to help me push for sales, but I am a Singaporean, how can I let this old man be jobless.”]
    Unlike the PAPigs, he is a truely true blue Singaporeans. The old fart and his son, together with the MIWs go all out to destroy our natives where they import mass new citizens which is about 2.08-millions to replace us and take away our good jobs. Almost every Government departments are occupied by the new citizens. The PAPigs set the bad example for the private companies to follow the same pattern. We, our native Singaporeans, are already finished off. No eyes to see now.

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  • righteous:

    In order to work in Singapore, these PRCs accepts low pay to gain the work permit, S pass, etc that ICA had eagerly entrusted to them, but their real purpose is to work in all these vice trade and conning old man to gain fast money.

    If a Singaporean cannot survive in their own country with such a low pay, logically, who would believe a foreigner could, unless those PTrash comes from a rich family supporting them?

    I should blame those Singaporean employers who employed FTrash just for their LUST and EVIL gains.
    I too avoid any shops employing foreigners, as the food in Singapore taste the same everywhere.
    In fact, I should say that the STUPID gahmen should stop issueing licences to foreign establishment, they are over abundant.
    In every shopping centres we see the same old stuffs, food, etc
    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
    Singapore does not need more shopping centres, more STUPID schools/UNI, more gambling dens and most of all more FTrash.
    Singapore is supposed to be a CLEAN & GREEN country, but now with all those FTrashes everywhere and ugly buildings, Singapore does not live up to that name anymore.

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  • Sarsshark:

    Bernard, dont worry, in 10 to 15 years, theses FT workers fwill get old and they will too get replaced by younger FT workers. It is a very vicious cycle. So young FT workers, you are wanted now but when time comes, you will face the same ‘faith’ as we Singaporean are now in. Enjoy now FT workers.

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  • BryanT:

    Bernard, you are full of irony.

    I thought Canada is one country that practises an immigration policy that is even more open than many countries in the world, including Singapore. The fact that you have been able to migrate to Canada is a case in point.

    Over there in Canada, I am quite sure you are also being served in food courts (not centres, in local lingo) and shops by many immigrants.

    Would you only patronised stalls (not “stores”) and shops that are manned (not “mended”) by Canadians?

    If not, would you be crying for Canada, your home of 19 years, too?

    (BTW, I hope you have had a chance to improve your English in your new homeland.)

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  • so is your son a singaporean, or a canadian?

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  • Conscious Thinker:

    You are perfectly RIGHT. What make make any country Unique is the particular and unique style of each country.
    What called our land Singapore and what used to live inside is the old tradition and Singaporean Way, should it be World Class Standard or our Self-Esteem Elite deemed eligible to be “Singapore Standard” It is what we wanted as Singaporean Style; a land we live not for PAPAYA experiment their idea and their idea of Eden Garden.
    This is what our PAPAYA and his crony failed to understand, instead they wanted to mold 99.9% of population to the thinking of 0.0001%. MM Lee and PM Lee are sure to fight a losing battle, with the increase angry in the ground about the fighting of job with FT and quality of FT we are getting today. Singapore is no longer the old Singapore, I personally foresee the situation will get worst under the current Capitalist & Money-Minded PAPAYA in placed.
    PAPAYA is out to destroy Singapore, first by marginalize those is not with their thinking, followed by building up rules so they cannot be contested, and last forced whoever do not like they move out of country, and claim the country under their empire.

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  • Political SalesMaN:

    Bernard : P/s take notice one of our generation has been slaughter.
    Policy “Stop At Two” 1/2 million of the innocent life gone in the killling Field.That Y we end out today problem.All around the world is facing an ageing population.Singapore with no backup generation to back up.This is the work of the PAP. Open the flood gate let FW-FT come in to back up.Easy Job!!!!

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  • Conscious Thinker:

    One more thing I like to add on to this.
    With their policy in FT and engaged so many PRC & minority Indian in our Institutions. We have 80% if not 90% FT Researcher living on the tax payer money in R&D in NTU (Majority are PRC Lecturers). Our NTU Universities ranking is > 138 in the World according to the latest poll http://www.4icu.org/top200/
    Even Indonesia Institut Teknologi Bandung rank better than them. I can’t image why our million dollar minister cannot read news and find what is happening.
    They wasted tax payer money, and keep Singaporean out of the game with influx of FT and yet be play out of the FT.

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  • atobe:

    A Singaporean will always be a Singapore.

    Similarly, a PRC will always be a PRC.

    A Singapore migrating overseas will have the heartstrings tied to Singapore, unfortunately the heartstrings of the offsprings born and bred overseas will not have heartstrings tied here.

    The place in which one identify oneself with, is the place where one has the strongest affiliation as a result of events and experiences.

    Where else does one find our own roots in except in the place where we have so much familiarity with – in terms of family and friendship, in terms of experiences of joy and sorrow, and for which we have given so much of oneself, and prepared to even make the ultimate sacrifice for our family and all that we have achieved.

    The early migrant generations that came to Singapore from 1819 and up to the outbreak of WW-2 have all arrive here to seek economic opportunities, while their hearts remained in their homeland in Britain, Europe, China, India, Indonesia, Middle-east and else-where.

    Many of these early migrants who are successful will insist to be buried in their homeland despite the cost of such arrangements; while the less fortunate will be assisted by clan associations to ensure that the deceased will reach their home villages.

    For the generations that were born in Singapore, grew up in Singapore, lived through WW-2 and the Japanese Occupation, participating in the early POLITICS OF LIFE in the 1950s through independence in 1965 – their lives were immersed in the Singapore events and participated in the making of Singapore History.

    Where else can this generation identify themselves with ?

    Similarly, the generations after 1965 have participated in the making of modern Singapore – even when they have experienced life without participating fully in the debate on the POLITICS OF LIFE in Singapore, even as their POLITICAL RIGHTS have been removed and usurped by the single minded purpose of the Pro Alien Party – the hearts will always belonged to this place from which their NATIONAL IDENTITY has been made.

    IDENTITY is an intangible need as one need a family.

    IDENTITY also involves PRIDE – and more so when one is from a SUCCESSFUL COMMUNITY – especially when one has participated and contributed to all that has been achieved.

    Even for those who come from a less materially successful community, there is still cause to be proud as the community still has its own IDENTITY that is formed by its own unique ethnic history, culture, social values – all of which has also contributed to the evolution of human history.

    Can such basic human need be removed from ordinary Singaporeans by the deliberate efforts of the Pro Alien Party to socially engineer generations of de-sensitised young Singaporeans – deliberately made to be “politically dead” and to re-educate the young with history as re-written by the Pro Alien Party ?

    It is odd that the Pro Alien Party can hope to perpetuate its own relevance – by chopping all the trees and bushes that obstruct its growth, to desensitise the ground so that no additional growth can obstruct its own – when MM LKY has defined that POLITICS is not about winning elections, as POLITICS IS ABOUT LIFE ITSELF.

    With the continued efforts of the Pro Alien Party in clearing the ground and creating “politically dead generation” – and removing Singaporeans from participating in the political process – it will surely result in future generations with no pride nor identity to be Singaporean.

    It will create floating flotsams, instead of building a Singapore that can be as strong as a coral reef with all the diverse colors of life, and still able to resist the tidal currents and storms in the open sea.

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  • Really Disappointed:

    We migrated to Canada about 3 yrs ago. In Canada, when we eat in a food court, we always dumb the garbage and put back the tray on top of the trash bins.

    Few months back, we came back to Singapore for couple of weeks. the first time we went to a food court during that visit, I did not get rid of the left overs, my two kids, 10 and 12 yrs old, ask why I did not do that. It really pains me to tell them what I did was for the sake of those old cleaners, pointing to a few of them around us, that if every one get rid of their own tray, these old folks would not have a job.

    For the rest of our stay, my kids will always say thank you to the uncles and anties when they clear our tray but we did not clear our own tray. Yes, i feel very very sad now that I think of this incident.

    I am sure the kids are wondering why these old folks are working but I will wait for a few more yrs before I explain to them what is going on in Singapore. Sigh …. really disappointed….hope Singaporeans will stand up for their right…

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  • singaporean:

    TBS (True Blue Singaporean) will help fellow Singaporeans unlike some person(s) who do nothing but treat the TBS like sxxx and favor the PRs and FTs. Bernard can u tell us which store the uncle is from?I wanna support his food stall!!

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  • Maign:

    Dear Bernard,

    Thanks for sharing this. The situation has become worse and it’s getting even more worse. When the PAP government talks about Singapore Spirit, I am sure they do not have such a scene in mind. SS to them means accepting whatever they wish to do without questioning and challenging like before.

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  • Dang!!!:

    @BryanT:
    September 5, 2010 at 11:02 am
    Bernard, you are full of irony. I thought Canada is one country that practises an immigration policy that is even more open than many countries in the world, including Singapore.

    Bryan, Cananda”s Fts is less than 20% compared to Sg’s 36% FTs.

    Bernard – its gotten worse. the MP for Sembawang even boasted he replaced the old cleaners with young bagala ones in his ward.

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  • Really Disappointed:

    @ BryanT

    Do you really think it is approprieate to compare Singapore and Canada?

    1) It is not true that Canada has a more lenient immigration policy than Singapore. Foreign-born constitute only about 20% of Canadian( Citizen+PR).

    2) Immigrants pay taxes that DIRECTLY benefit many Canadians. Just look at those leeches at the Vancouver Downtown East district. They get good money from the govt every month(heard its close to 1k), still sleep on the street, took all the money to buy drugs! If the taxes paid by FTs in Singapore can benefit Singaporeans directly, these old folks would not have to work in the first place.

    3) Canada have a land area of almost 10,000,000 sq km, even though, 30% could be frozen tundra, it is still a very very big country compare to Singapore and there is still lots of room for everyone. Can you say the same for Singapore?

    Oh, I know, I know, lots of grammatical error. BTW I am a Chinese helicoptor, Please pardon my England, not powderful!

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  • Alan Tang:

    Bernard,
    We have lost our birthright as a Singaporeanin our own country of birth! The govt seems to em race those foreigners until recently they claimed to have differentiate betwn them and us! It’s a little too late and too little! Damage already been done! This govt is pro foreigners and they dont really care abt us! It is a sad fact! BTW my bro is also migrating to Canada end of the year! He already got his PR!

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  • Goh Kah Cheng:

    ever wondered why many skilled sporeans have dumped spore? because the standard of living is not like what lao goh suggest, that we are ‘victim of our own success’. that’s just one more of his stupid comments that will go down in history as evidence of his stupidity.

    the reason people left is because they dont want to pay 600k to 800k for a HDB pigeon hole and then work 35 years to pay it off, GEDDIT! we live only once, and we dont live for people like hsien dua pao lee or lao goh, GEDDIT?

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  • FkucTrash:

    hi bernard few years back may u can only catch prc at ppl park chinatown area now they r everywhere from jurong to pasir ris,from choa chu kang to sengkang.if u have any relatives still living here they could be yr relatives’ nbeighbour too.now if 1 prc come soon to follow will be prc wife and parents then have baby here.but luckily most will choose to die in homeland as singapore is merely a stepping stone for many.

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  • nihon:

    it has become much worse; this basterds foureiners, r now treating us like 3rd class citizens in our own contry. we have been bullied, n forced to be law abiding, while all these useless f trash n p rubbish, mostly, r enjoying all the perks which we fought so hard for, i can sense them sneering at us TBS.

    wish i have emigrated to canada! minus ns/reservist.

    but now, i will do my final duty at the elections.

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  • peecock:

    If you have the time just take the train, or have a weekend walk in the Marina Bay area (like GCT suggested) or around a busy neighbourhood mall. Please look at people around you. You can tell a Singaporean from a non-S. Observe the mood and their facial expressions. Look at them in the eyes.

    Did you see the same 2/3 years ago?

    On one hand you see alot of happy, joyial and smiling faces, enjoying and excited about the new home and country they are in. There are at least 2 million of these people. On the other hand there are those with slight frowns, looking dejected, worried, deep in thoughts, going about their business zombie-like, looking but not seeing…..Bernard, these are the True Blues. There are 3 million of these now.

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  • Raveentharan s/o M. Murugan:

    “You can take a Singaporean out of Singapore but you cannot take Singapore out of a Singaporean”

    All native Singaporeans feel the same way as you have said in the above sentence.

    Do the PAP govt feel the same as us? GOD DAMN IT, NO!

    KICK THE PAP OUT NOW!

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  • SSH:

    I hire ONLY SINGAPOREAN.

    Because i know FT Manager will hire his own kind.

    If I also hire cheaper FT, my fellow Singaporeans will surely die.

    That I can’t live with. I can earn less.

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  • Terence:

    With 39% foreigners, it is no different from Singapore being invaded and occupied by another country.

    It is our duty as a loyal and patriotic Singaporean to vote out the PAP and reclaim Singapore back for Singaporeans.

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  • WaSiAhBeng:

    Bernard,
    Kudos to you and to the Hokkien Peng owner – this is a good example of Singaporean help Singaporean – so next time, I will do the same. If the stall will hire older Singapore Uncle/Aunty, I will patronize the stall.
    Incidently, I too work with Hokkien Peng – and found many of them to be very loyal to the team “讲义气“ even if they are not well educated and cannot speak English well, I say, their heart is in the right place.
    Thank you for sharing this – warmed my heart it did! Now, if more true blue Singaporeans will be willing to do same same, we have something to TCSS about………

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  • BryanT:

    @Really Disappointed, I assume that you are Bernard.

    I have just taken a relook at Singapore’s latest population statistics – the percentage of foreign-born “residents” is 22.7%. So it is quite comparable to the 20% that you quoted for Canada.

    So my question to you is still the same one: now that you are a “resident” in Canada, do you “cry” for your new country when you are being served by foreign-born residents in the eateries and shops?

    But actually, I am curious as to the “leeches” you were just referring to, those who sleep on the streets and take the handouts to buy drugs. Are these the new immigrants?

    Over here, maybe we should be thankful for the “stinginess” of the Singaporean government in safeguarding our tax-payer monies by steadfastly refusing to adopt a generous welfare system so that people cannot “leech” on it.

    I wonder why you seem to allude to the possibility that taxes by FTs do not benefit certain segment of Singaporean society. FTs pay the same tax rates as Singaporeans (provided they are in here for more than 183 days in the year).

    There is no differentiation between the taxes collected from the FTs (who are tax-liable) and the taxes from Singaporeans. They are pooled together to pay for government services and for sort of infrastructural development and amenities for everyone, eg. MRT, drains, parks, stadia, etc.

    Whether or how much we want the older folks to work is something that society has to decide, but it is a distinctly separate issue from that of taxes.

    I concede that space-wise, we are a bit cosy here. The government lagged in ensuring that the infrastructure and housing was able to support the influx. But maybe the cosiness will make integration with the new migrants easier and faster. Of course, the converse would be true, if it is not well managed.

    Lastly, I apologise for the tongue-in-cheek remarks about your English. Anyway, yours was clear enough to convey what you wanted to say.

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  • FTnDaftNatives:

    I salute you NS comrade Bernard Chan; like you I only hire native NS Men staff and choose to do biz with NS Men contractors.

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  • Burn Metaphorically PAP:

    bryan t, you stupid or what? 154th just mentioned foreign born (including pr foreigners) are like 35%. pls sit down and shut up. go back to singapore democrat party to stir shit!

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  • BryanT:

    @Burn Metaphorically PAP,

    I suspect you have a slight deficient English problem as well…. in reading comprehension in your case.

    I said “the percentage of foreign-born ‘residents’ is 22.7%”.

    The key word is ‘resident’ which perhaps is a tad too unfamiliar a word for you.

    Maybe like CSJ, you need to go purchase a dictionary, since he was having a problem with some other words, eg. “constructive”.

    And yes, I need to go visit yoursdp.org more often, but it
    been quite docile recently. Perhaps it has run out of “deconstructive” energy.

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  • wtf:

    The Chinatown/Outram area used to be filled with Singaporean Chinese. More specifically, Cantonese Chinese. You may get a few Hong Kong folks here and there, but the main thing that binds all of them is the Cantonese language. This is as expected of a legacy passed on down by the Samsui women.

    Nowadays, you will find MANY PRC people in Chinatown. Certainly, it is perfectly logical that China folks, i.e Chinese, are found in Chinatown. But something has died. Keep in mind that China is a very big place. You have Shanghai folks, Southwest Guizhou/Sichuan folks, Beijing/Tianjin folks, Dongbei (Northeast China Jilin/Liaoning/Heilongjiang provinces) folks, Hunan-Hubei-Henan-Hebei folks. You can easily overhear everyone speaking their own dialects in their unique accents.

    PAP’s overly liberal immigration policy will be the death of Singapore. How many people does it intend to squeeze into this small piece of land before its appetite for GDP growth is satiated? I estimate that 4.0-4.2 million people is just about right for the current level of infrastructure and lebensraum. That’s a 16 to 20% reduction in the current population.

    This demographic madness cannot go on forever.

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  • Bryan T/Patrick Lee Soon Juan/YPAP online team:

    why did you block me on facebook? can’t handle my debates? YPAP send you over to Temasek Review this time round is it?

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  • 为己不为民的新政府:

    We singaporeans have now lost our country totally. And it’s being sold by our govt.

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  • wtf:

    @BryanT

    Checked the population density of Canada recently? Or its more populous cities eg. Vancouver. How does it compare to Singapore?

    Another thing: Canada is run as a real country, not as a profit-maximising corporation. I bet you won’t find old folks there slogging away for pittance, admonished to work cheaper, better, faster and not to retire. I wonder why?

    High taxation? Singapore has high taxation too. It’s called the CPF. It eats up a chunk of your disposable income every payday. And no, the CPF is not a pension scheme, it’s now a hydra of smoke and mirrors masquerading as a compulsory savings scheme.

    High taxation, and next to non-existent welfare. That’s Singapore for you.

    I can now hear some pro-PAP folks saying, “Why not feck off to Canada if you’re not happy here?” Guess what? I was born and bred here, and therefore I am highly reluctant to leave… for now. But leaving is still an available option.

    Those of you who go back for annual reservist, ever wondered why fewer and fewer familiar faces turn up every year? It has nothing to do with deferment or getting posted out of the unit. More SG men are working overseas, or have given up citizenship. It isn’t hard to verify in this Internet age of social networking.

    Lastly, an anecdote. Co-worker of mine, an engineer from China. Great guy, a genuine FT, became a PR, bought a flat and made a few kids over the years.

    A couple of months ago, he and his wife+kids migrated to Canada. Singapore’s a mere stepping stone to better places. And I can hardly blame him for looking out for his own interests.

    There’s this Chinese saying, “The wise bird chooses its branch, the wise servant chooses his master.

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  • BryanT:

    Some people’s idea of soliciting financial support for their political masak-masak is to hawk toothpicks.

    ….and the idea of a debate is to paste “YPAP” labels on those who disagree with their views.

    These type usually get stuck between the teeth — orally very obtrusive, and intellectually very dumbing, I’d say.

    Anybody has a $300 toothpick to flick the irritation away?

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  • below are the alternate identities of Bryan Ti

    Patrick Lee Song Juan
    http://www.facebook.com/leesjuan?ref=ts
    Corns Tan
    Notmysdp
    Gavin Ng
    Annie How
    and other YPAP pseudonyms

    also to note, Patrick Lee is a strong supporter of Desmond Lim (:

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  • Bernard, Don’t let anyone fool you into thinking that Singapore has gotten better. Some things never change – you can bank on Singaporean-ness to be one of them. With the Internet freeing up public voices, the authorities have resorted to even greater shamelessness in their half-truths. Y’know, as in die-die, whitewash ’til we believe our own hogwash. I live in heartland and I experience the repressed heartlanders’ seething frustration & anger everyday. When all they need is just 3% of the Govt’s love. (Percentage defined by poet Alfian Sa’at in his poem Singapore, You’re Not My Country.) Everyday, I weep inside, putting up with a lyin city that roars vanity as excuse for survival.

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  • Millister:

    It’s disgusting to read their comments and posts on facebook. ugh.

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  • Jem:

    @Bryan

    Might want to post in proper English while criticizing others. Actually, especially when calling people out on their command of the English language.

    “I suspect you have a slight deficient English problem as well…. in reading comprehension in your case.”

    This should probably read “I suspect you have a slight deficiency(sp) in your command of the English language. Specifically, reading comprehension.”

    Furthermore, ellipsis, i.e. “…” should only have three periods, instead of four.

    Queue the people whining about the grammar police, but it’s the details that make all the difference.

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  • David King:

    BryanT,

    Jem just kicked your wannabe ass ! How did it feel ?

    FYI, in Cananda if you want to work in the foodcourts, you need to understand the local accent and speak in the local accent, in either French or English.

    Further to that, the Employer will have to proof that Locals are not taking up the jobs before attempting to apply to bring in a Work Pass/Permit Immigrant.

    You have to pass English comparable to a A Level Standard.

    Don’t compare us to them.

    Something the internet won’t teach you…LOL

    BryanT is nothing but a coward, when I replied his notes bashing Kenneth Jeyaratnam of the Reform Party, he went ahead and blocked me although I was not in his friends list and decided to “Reply” me in another (note), LOL even though I could not read his (Note).

    Can you trust a cowards, words ? hahahaha

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  • BryanT:

    David, you got kicked by someone?

    It must have hurt badly. Did your ego get bruised; or was it more the rear end?

    You are such a poor thing. My sincere sympathies.

    PS. I heard FB kicked you too :)

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  • David King:

    BryanT,

    FB did not kick me, somone made a false complain and after investigations FB realized I did not go against their “TOS”, and reinstated my account in 2 days.

    Sorry to dissapoint you.

    LOL, loved the way, you side stepped Jem’s correction of your English.

    Must have been truly an embarrasing moment in your pathetic life, where you “tried” to belittle someone’s grammar and got told of yourself for your “poor” use of the written word.

    My Ego ?, Bruised ? ROTFL, BryanT I have seen you for the coward you are, blocking and thereafter replying with regards to your NOTE. It must have been a low point even for a coward like you.

    In anycase let’s not digress shall we, lets talk about the topic, so your English is not good, “Thanks to Jem” and you tried to teach someone (Kinda Funny), and you have no working or pratical knowledge of Candian Immigration Practices.

    Can you please try and continue sounding stupid, I would love to see how you do that with regards to this thread after all your (Fails) thus far.

    May God Increase the diameter and the circumference of your jewels soon, so that you might not have to live the remaining of your already “handicapped” life hiding behind the computer :)

    Love ( Joking )
    David

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  • BryanT:

    It sounds as if we have yet another case of someone scurrying to the lavatory to “cry like a little boy” because he has been intellectually spurned.

    So pitiful…. and pathetic, if I may say :)

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  • LIONS ROAR:

    BryanT:
    September 6, 2010 at 8:25 pm
    It sounds as if we have yet another case of someone scurrying to the lavatory to “cry like a little boy” because he has been intellectually spurned.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    and,you,BraynT,sounds like another traitor!
    are you singaporean by the way or are you cheatin yourself that you are one????

    Singapore and singaporeans will be better off without so-called sinkies like you,you know what i sincerely mean???????????

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  • AMX-13:

    @BryanT:
    September 5, 2010 at 11:52 pm
    Some people’s idea of soliciting financial support for their political masak-masak is to hawk toothpicks.

    ….and the idea of a debate is to paste “YPAP” labels on those who disagree with their views.

    These type usually get stuck between the teeth — orally very obtrusive, and intellectually very dumbing, I’d say.

    Anybody has a $300 toothpick to flick the irritation away?
    —————————————————————

    “intellectually very dumbing”…..dumbing??…Hahahaha

    …and it gets even worse:

    “toothpick to flick the irritation away”….huh??

    can anyone here please teach Mr BryanT how to use good english and
    not murder the language?

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  • Gordon:

    BryanT, kindly shut the fuck up. You are digressing.

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  • Wu:

    @BryanT the FUCKING PAP IB!!

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  • Side watcher:

    BryanT, if you are a genuine PAP supporter, I think you better stop posting. The more you post, the less the support PAP will get.. You are basically incurred the wrath of the majority

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  • L:

    1) I look exactly like what Really Disappointed described, “slight frowns, looking dejected, worried, deep in thoughts, going about their business zombie-like, looking but not seeing”. The reasons have been said and repeated many times here already.
    2) Like Peacock, I do not clear my table after eating for exactly the reason. However I am concern if the cleaners realize I am doing it for them or do they think I give them more work (please see the stupid Singaporeans topic in the forum about the Stomper being abused in China).
    3) Employers said they prefer to hire 3 cheap foreign workers for the price of 1 Singaporean.
    4) I used to do F&B, gave all jobs to the local ‘ah soh’ and aunties. The pride and diligence of my Singaporean workers were unbeatable. They told me they were jobless for awhile because local employers told them point blank they prefer to hire bouncy breast China women workers.
    5) I had done all paperwork for moving away from Singapore. Friends are jealous, not because of my potentially better life but more because I avoid worse life here. The receiving country protects their citizens so well that the company must proof that its citizen cannot do the job (regardless of higher salary) before authority grants me entry. THATS THE WAY TO TREAT CITIZENS and handle influx of foreign workers.

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  • A lot of cock and bull stories here..:

    Really. A lot.

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  • To BryanT: September 5, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    Interesting…your statements shows you are one who believes he/she is an intellectual or trying to prove as one maybe based on some old academic graded papers from the past which was already past.

    I have always understood that true and real intellectuals always focused on the infinite instead of the finite.

    Griping around in mortal grounds and finite stuff to “show” off their so called “intellect” sure as sure smacks of one with “intellectual” pretensions.

    Kind of sad to see this…intead of working towards infinite solutions…you rather work on the finite…oh well…your kids and kids kids will think back to our generation and will “thank us all very much” for all the future pain and wrong decisions made now about 20 years from now or so…maybe earlier at the un-substainable rate the earth and its finite resources are being leverage….and for what…to make the human race extinct even faster…which speaks volumes of the “intellects” in charge…

    Perhaps future old “intellectuals” with paper certifiable qualifications will squat upon the ruins of civilization butchering each other for meat/food…and wondering how and why we ended up in the end like this. Too late by then : )

    Nuts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBP6lFU-J2M&feature=related

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  • run when u can:

    maybe living abroad allows one to be exposed to different systems, and see how things work in other countries. Real life experience opens one’s mind and heart, allowing comparison to take place and brings forth goodness such as appreciation and patriotism. my feel for Singapore was cultivated during the times that i was abroad and sadly, not when I am on the homeland itself. With an environment like Singapore, it is not hard to imagine why. Many of my friends who have stayed all their lives in Singapore can’t be bothered about what’s happening, specifically politics, because they are living comfortably, blinded by material enjoyment, indifferent to what others are going through. a replica of our govt’s attitudes and values.

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  • ACACIA:

    Dear Bernard,
    My youngest brother, 40, a finance guy was retrenched twice the last five or six years. The first from the well known, Ci.. Bank. The people above him were mostly Indian FT and the locals were temp. staff until they made noise with the management. It was so bad even those few years ago. He made the decision to leave Spore for good.
    Until he got his application to Australia he work in another finance institution and last year he got retenched again as they merged with another. The blessing is he got a good payout for both. He now has a job in Australia and his wife will be joining him there, they have a house too. I have classmates who migrated to Canada too, many years and when they came back it was a different world to them and very disapointing for too. Infact they dare not come back to resettle. It’s been vey sad indeed for all of us living here. The best for us it to vote the PAP out at the next election. Bryan T, you have a right to your say, but the more you post, people are not pissed off with you, but with the PAP, so please do us a favour, we were not born yesterday and perhap you are too young to know and compare with the past, it seems like that or you and your family had it good with the PAP policies, I suspect it. For your own good and do all of us a favour stop your posting lah.

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  • NoFuture:

    To Author,

    The situation has worsened over the past 2 years….. To the extend that it’s rare to see the mindset of that stall owner you spoke to… A Singaporean for another Singaporean. That’s history.

    Our GLCs are simply employing FTs in abundance…and when we express unhappiness about a miserable S$50 annual increment when we slogged through long hours (way pass 8pm almost every day) for the company, guess what we were told (from another Singaporean in higher mgmt position) – look at FTs, they ain’t complaining.

    That’s how things are now… If only I have the opportunity to get out of this place like you, or my dad had brought me out like you did with your kid.

    I guess even if I disappear from this world tomorrow, no one will cares… cause life is cheap here. Lose 1, import another to replace.

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  • anonymous:

    @ BryanT:
    September 6, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    So you got intellect or is it your coconut locked inside your arse-hole?

    Show us all readers at TR your (zero???) emotional intelligence and rational thinking with a valid explanation of this real world phenomena WHY IS IT THAT IN A ZINC-COPPER OREBODY IT IS USUAL TO FIND RICHER ZINC CONTENT THAN COPPER NEARER TO THE SURFACE AND MORE COPPER RICH THAN ZINC AS THE MINERALISATION PLUNGES AT DEPTH?.

    AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE OREBODY CHARACTERISTICS AND IMPLICATIONS AS A MINING ENTREPRENEU?

    The answers to both questions have nothing to do with any knowledge of geology.

    If you can’t, it is probably your rear end barking as usual. Fuck off, you dickhead.

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  • anonymous:

    BryanT:
    September 5, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    And your English fucking good? Tell me what the judge said in this real world court transcript I quote below – it is again nothing to do with law but your comprehension of English to figure out the correct answer.

    DEFENCE COUNSEL: Exactly, your Honour. So the first substantial issue, in my submission, is whether the conduct the subject of what, in the written submissions,…… whether that conduct constituted professional misconduct and/or otherwise demonstrated that the appellant was not a fit and proper person to be on the roll of solicitors. My submission, expressed in the alternative, is first that to be professional misconduct there must be a nexus between the conduct in question and professional practice – - –

    HIGH COURT JUDGE : In that phrase…(BRYANT, FILL IN THE BLANK HERE)

    DEFENCE COUNSEL: I accept that, and I will try to illuminate that by reference to the cases, as we come to them. Alternatively – I am sorry, and that case….. Alternatively, that even if the broader concept of professional misconduct suggested by Chief Justice.

    IF YOU CANNOT FILL IN THE BLANK, YOUR COMPREHENSION OF ENGLISH IS ZERO. SO DON’T TELL US YOUR ENGLISH IS SUPERIOR EXCEPT OF YOUR IMAGINATION TRAPPED IN YOUR ARSE-HOLE.

    STUPID SHIT AGAIN of zero intellect and english comprehension skills?.

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  • what sort of intellectual u have not to be able to see that:

    //BryanT:
    September 5, 2010 at 11:52 pm
    Some people’s idea of soliciting financial support for their political masak-masak is to hawk toothpicks.//

    hey ang mo (your inklish powerful one). now tell us how to get political financial support without contravening too much of the “law” here and at the same time to protect the confidentiality of your donors, if it needs protection. tau-k, u r in this country, don’t u know how things are done here, ain’t you.

    hawking toothpicks is just a ‘masak-masak’ mean (unfortunately your definition) to an not-so-masak-masak end. now what sort of intellectual u have not to be able to see that. hahahahahahaha !!!!!!!!

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  • Lun:

    rofl bryant bashing.

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