Netizens want Lee Kuan Yew to retire from politics
October 3rd, 2010 | 
Author: Following the demise of Madam Kwa Geok Choo, the wife of PAP strongman Lee Kuan Yew yesterday at 89 years old of age, calls for the octagenarian Lee to retire from politics are rising among netizens.
Lee is currently hospitalized in the Singapore General Hospital for a chest infection after he returned from a trip to Russia, Ukraine and France. He has not been discharged yet.
Though Lee admits he is not doing much work lately excepting doing “forecasting”, he still draws an annual salary in excess of $3 million dollars, much to the chagrin of Singaporeans.
With the passing of his long-time companion, some netizens are of the view that he should retire from politics and get a well deserved rest as well after his many years in service of the nation.
One concerned Singaporean sent an email to Lee and his son Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong urging the octagenarian to step down:
“I hope you (Lee) are magnanimous enough to face the reality (and not in denial) that you no longer are the man you were, and step down gracefully so that another capable man/woman is able to serve the needs of the constituents. You need not be an MP or in the cabinet to be able to contribute,” he wrote.
Rohaizad wrote on TR Facebook:
“He should just retire, enjoy what left of family life. His wife departure is definitely an awakening that will make him focus on other things in life like family. I mean, at this stage, what more does he want?”
Melvin Chong remarked sarcastically:
“Why should he be wasting millions of taxpayers money by simply forecasting and talking rubbish ? Any fortune-teller on the street can do the same for 1/30000000 of his salary.”
While we express our sincere condolences to Lee and his family, we sincerely implore Lee to consider the wishes of young Singaporeans and retire from politics altogether so that he can enjoy life and do the things he has always wanted to do such as touring the world (using his own money and not taxpayers’)
Do you think Lee Kuan Yew should retire from politics soon? Please share your views below.
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I think he’s too power hungry, that’s why he doesn’t want to retire.
If he wasn’t power hungry, he would probably have retired in the 80s or 90s.
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Yes he should. He has contributed alot to Singapore and its time he should value his family more.
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Go Retire Old Man!!!!
I’m taking over!!!!
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So long as PAP is in, he will still want to meddle even if he one day changes his mind to retire.
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Mind u all… With his companion gone now, he is loose from the noose!
There ain’t more reasons now for him to retire to spend time with who? Let alone giving up the entire power over Sinkies?
BE PREPARED FOR EVEN MORE RUBBISH FROM HIM!
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He wants to die in office, isn’t it?
This must be his only honourable last wish and hope in life as an elderly statesman after spending a lifetime to govern red dot.
He has not spoken about it publicly as his last wish, isn’t it?
Can we fault him for holding on to office?
The problem with most Singaporeans is not him in office but more about his $3m pay.
To quieten this disquiet, if he were to return the money at each payday to the State or donate it in full to charity, will Singaporeans still have an issue with his MM’s role and his staying on in Cabinet until his last breath?
I hope TR will encourage all to express their views on this.
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It’s time to step down when you still have some love left from Singaporeans.
It’s shows that even his own PM son does not dare to remove him from all that power.
Your wife is gone….do you really want to see your nation and party go too!!!
Stupid Old Man, it’s time you go away and start playing 4D or just sit around the void decks, just like all the other poor, jobless Singaporeans!
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Just look across the causeway. Dr. M has officially retired and enjoying life, and he can still has some influence on his country’s future. LKY should learn from him instead.
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Lets forget about the money part. He has given and so he shall receive.
The important thing that seems to drive MM is POWER.
He has been so used to it all these years. it will be hard to let go.
And I suspect he is NOT convinced the present administation is able to withstand the problems of the day.
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Anyone with a serious health issue must NOT be in politics or gracefully retire from politics. If he or she does not last due to health failure, it is ALL the voting constituents who suffered the most. All lives are finite, but society’s interest lives on in perpetuity.
BE FAIR TO ALL. When time comes knocking louder and louder, one should just walk off the stage.
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3/10/10
Let Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew continues in politics and government, and God’s willing, let him die in office and then let history of Modern Singapore judge him whether he was a good leader or bad leader (just like the former PM of Malaysia Dr Mahathir who is now in hospital in Australia and the history of Modern Malaysia has already judged him as a bad and corrupted leader during his 22 years as PM of Malaysia, so wss his successor former PM Badawi or also known as Pak Lah).
We as Ordinary Singaporeans must always remain constructive and objective and not be mislead by our Opposition parties who are all out to turn our Modern Singapore upside down and they just simply want to dismantle everything the PAP did our Modern Singapore’s independence which is not correct (not everything the PAP did, are bad and must be dismantled at all costs) and a very good one is abolishing the Death Sentence for Drugs Traffickers and we saw how a so called human rights lawyer Ravi went all out to champion for the Malaysian drugs trafficker Yong from Sabah, and he succeded and his appeal is pending. This scum Yong must not be shown any mercy (he already exhausted all his appeals) and I bet come next General Election, this Ravi will stand as a candidate for one of the Opposition party and I think most probably is The Reform Party. He failed to think what he did was not good and simply want to make the PAP goverment look bad without realising also making a laughing stock for our Modern Singapore and definitely weakens her firm stand on drugs trafficking, inshort our Modern Singapore is a weak country so is the government of the day.
I am just writing as I see things as an Ordinary Singaporean and I am no PAP ass, cock or boot licker and I am all for a two party system in our Modern Singapore which has yet to give birth again to this two party system (our neighbour Malaysia whom we gained our independence has a two party system after their March 2008 General Election and the opposition parties under Anwar Ibrahim, denied the ruling BN-UMNO a two third majority)
Regards
Andrew Chuah
Ordinary Singaporean
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Last Friday, I was having drinks with some buddies and they botch on the subject that LKY would have to step down on the demised of his beloved spouse. Not sure whether it is true, I was told that by those drinking buddies that it was gazetted in the Constitution concerning Cabinet Members of Parliament that they have to relinquish their post in the demise of their spouse.
Any one familiar with Singapore Constitution would like to comment.
Anyway, I think it is time for LKY to take a long deserved break. Even not being a member of the Cabinet, he can still tutor his son as a concerned father and citizen. At his age, he definitely does not need that kind of money, but why still grapple for power and money.
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Yes, absolutely!!!! LKY should retire graciously, he is no longer young and he unable to handle heavy workload and responsibilities like he used to be. Nowadays, the work require is definitely different from what LKY doing back in 1970, as his son LHL said “CBF – Cheaper, Better, Faster”, So why paying an annual salary exceed $3 million for an old man doing only “Forecasting”, which is not cheap and better, the speed of an old man is not faster either.
Why Singapore government pays $3 million dollars for a old truck, when they can get a Ferrari instead, which runs faster and perform better.
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3/10/10
Perhaps, let Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew tastes his first defeat in the coming General Election ie if the Singapore opposition parties are able to put up an outstanding GRC team in Tanjung Pagar (we have seen how former leaders being defeated in General Elections in other countries and some were charged by the new government of the day in Court for abuse of power and corrupted practisces).
Let us as Ordinary Singaporeans remain focus, objective and watch and come next General Election, let us vote wisely and ask ourselves whether the PAP or Opposition parties deserve our votes or will there be a third foce who will emerge and deserve our votes.
Regards
Andrew Chuah
Ordinary Singaporean
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I can do the forecasting for FREE
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@cclcclccl
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To quieten this disquiet, if he were to return the money at each payday to the State or donate it in full to charity, will Singaporeans still have an issue with his MM’s role and his staying on in Cabinet until his last breath?
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If he were to do that, that there is still some benevolence in him but if he still maintain the role of MM, he will still have direct influence over his son that churns out unpopular policies.
No amount of money given to charities can clears his misdeeds.
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Oh please, show some respect to him. He did so much for Singapore and you guys don’t even appreciate. He will step down if he wants to enjoy the remaining of his life. Do not bad mouth him anymore. You guys are such a joke.
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I agree. At least Mahathir is well respected since he retired gracefully. Unlike LKY still hungrily cling to power, to assign himself a title Minister Mentor. Mentor the Prime Minister?
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He is sober and his forecasts are accurate. To maintain that he needs to be active. Retirement leads to laziness and eventual demise sooner. He should be respected for all his contributions and we should be gratefull for that. Our good life style is because of him. Please do not criticize in this moment of sorrow.
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Can PM LHL ever be his “own man” with his father mentoring his work as a Minister Mentor ?
The time since General Election 2006 was wasted, when PM LHL could not or would not dare to be his “own man” as he claimed, when stepping up to takeover the PM’s chair.
It is pathetic that Singapore’s future cannot be depended on anyone except with the PAP, or someone associated with LKY.
At age 87 and without his “soul mate” around to inspire himself, it is unlikely that MM LKY can help PM LHL to remake Singapore, or leave any viable institutional forms that will serve as a legacy to allow a MATURE and POSITIVE POLITICS to exist in Singapore.
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he should retire. he has already damage alot of good he has done. if he does not, he might just destroy all and more.
already since mrs lky had stroke, he has been spewing out nonsense – so much so that he has embarrassed all singaporeans. he is starting to destroy the singapore spirit.
yes, step down immediately and bring proper ethics to the government by ensure people with heart serve not for money like the bunch of goons we have now.
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Singaporeans should demand he quit politics.
We can start a petition campaign. Opposition politicians should canvas for it.
He is on a good thing – S$3Million in salary; perks, car, travel, medical benefits, etc. Why should he give up? I would fight tooth and nail before to give up. This man has no morals nor shame and therefore it has to be forced on him.
Andrew Chuah the Ordinary Singaporean write utter rubbish. We should just ignore him. He is again barking up the wrong tree with his drugs and hanging.
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BOTH BE IN TROUBLE IF HE LEAVES POLITICS.
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Stop whinging you lot. This is the man who has taken Singapore from nothing to what it is today. He spent his whole life building Singapore and if it was not for his foresight and determination, we will not be what we are today. What he is getting now is not only for what he is doing but for what he has done. Personally I don’t care that he is earning 3 million. He deserves it.
Not many can do what he has done. He’s dedicated his whole life to Singapore. He is the Father of our nation. Let him die serving Singapore.
So once again stop whinging and learning to appreciate the man you has given you a Singapore you love.
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To: Andrew Chuah
You are calling people to be objective yet you don’t practise it. Show us evidence about what you said of the oppositions :
“Opposition parties who are all out to turn our Modern Singapore upside down and they just simply want to dismantle everything the PAP did our Modern S …..”
So you think PAP is perfect????
No PAP’s ass and bootlicker will admit they are one.
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Mr Lee continues to assume a very pivotal role in Singapore-I am sure many would be rather uncertain about Singapore’s future if he were to step down-and no this is not an expression of doubt about the current Singapore’s government abilities. I deeply revere MM Lee for all that he has done to pave Singapore away. And I believe that he still needs to be around to guide the younger generation-with his valued experience and knowledge. He remains a representative figure or symbol for Singapore and commands much respect from other rulers-hence he continues to play an important role in maintaining excellent ties between countries.
And really, do exercise discretion. It is a death we should be mourning about-some of the above comments are very insensitive by wielding threats about death doesn’t add any strength to your points.
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IN HIS OWN WORDS, HE DOES NOTHING BUT DOES FORCASTING.
TIME FOR ‘GOLDEN HANDSAKE’.
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The depth and breath of his knowledge of some of the key countries that are attracting global attention and his world view are highly sought after by foreign leaders and think-tanks. The Singapore prestige is his prestige.
We should not be insensitive at this particular time when he is mourning the death of his beloved life companion and wife and also when he himself is unwell and hospitalized. He has to be a parliamentarian to give his views, inputs and advice to the Cabinet. He does not need the money and he is certainly not in it for money, I am sure. The major, if not the entire portion of his salary, I suspect, is given to the many endowments, charities and scholarship funds close to his heart.
He has his failings (as he himself has acknowledged) and so do we. Let us be forgiving and magnanimous to the man who made Singapore what it is today.
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At 87yo, MM must retire otherwise young Singapore looks very old.
MM should be entitled to go for a long holiday.
MM must also be away from Singapore to avoid day-to-day operation so as to facilitate a major AUDIT to be carried out fully for those 45 years activities.
He can still make speeches and forcast for Singapore on a fee basis.
Let the Younger generation make their own decision. Singapore must be free and independent away from MM influences.
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” IN HIS OWN WORDS, HE DOES NOTHING BUT DOES FORCASTING.”
ANY CIVIL SERVANT WHO SAYS SUCH THINGS IN PUBLIC, WILL AUTO BE ASKED TO LEAVE.
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Anonymous @4:32pm
Ever thought that while in office all medical privileges local & overseas and best of the best are taken care of????
No malice to OTC when he request to stand for re-election but was turn down by GCT based on medical records,the cost for his medical and State cost was definitely part of the reason.Yet MM & PM are staying on with medical history.
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Wow. You guys could be more insensitive, really
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@ Andrew Quah – as another ordinary Singaporean, I totally disagree with your statement above – I quote
“not be mislead by our Opposition parties who are all out to turn our Modern Singapore upside down and they just simply want to dismantle everything the PAP did our Modern Singapore’s independence which is not correct”
The opposition has many changes in their mind, you just quoted one. While I personally is neutral on the one you quoted, I’m very much in favours of the many changes they have in mind, which I know is good for me as an ordinary Singaporean. This includes their positions on immigration (opening the floodgate to foreigners, granting of PRs and citizenships), displacing and replacing Singaporeans’ employment with cheap labour, minimum wages policy, high cost of living, HDB, etc, etc.
From my personal view, voting opposition in this coming GE is the right thing to do – not just becuase of what MIW government has become over the last 10 years (causing all the problems faced by Singaporean over the last couple of years) but also making sure that there will be real and effective checks and balances in our parliament – ensuring that the government of the day is always accountable to the citizens.
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Lee Kuan Yew is not just an old man doing forecasting. He is in the picture for his party, and for Singapore.
The main problem with the Lee Kuan Yew administration was that it did not put in place a credible team to succeed the Old Guards though it claimed so. Instead, Lee Kuan Yew continued to front the party and Singapore, particularly on the international level, even after the renewal of the Old Guards. The current team of ministers and MPs was assembled to facilitate PM Lee’s career, if anything. The key difference between Lee Kuan Yew & the Old Guards, and PM Lee & the new team is experience. It doesn’t take much to see that the current pool of ministers are in it for their career. Can they lead? Do they have what it takes to engage their peers at the international level? Does PM Lee have what it takes to lead his ministers to deliver sterling performance? I am afraid I have yet to see anything along those lines. All I have seen is Lee Kuan Yew engaging the world leaders and raising Singapore’s profile in an increasingly competitive world, while PM Lee and team, for lack of a better word, “fixes” problems back home, and problems they sure have.
If the Marina Barrage has to be MM Lee’s vision (and no, I am not validating this vision), and he a lawyer turned politician way past his prime, it says much about capabilities of PM Lee’s team. All we have seen from PM Lee’s team are excuses for this and that, nothing visionary. They are public administrators after all. Administration. Period.
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The PM cannot continue to pay his father millions and for his wife and mFART to lose Billions.
mFART must Mati
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Cling not to power, you only lose what you cling to. Cling not to life for you will face death eventually. My sincere condolences to the Lees. May Mrs. Lee have a good rebirth.
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Why?
Because no balls to say that because you are Chinese that you support LKY as Chinese?
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u all are stuipd. without lee kuan yew we might end up malaysian!!.dont think u all are safe..when he gone the country will shake!!
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GOD BLESS HER SOUL.
GOD GIVE PEACE AND COMFORT TO THE LEE CLAN DURING THEIR BEREAVEMENT.
AS EXPECTED The State Media WENT TO TOWN WITH 5 / 6 PAGES OF OBITUARIES FOR THE DECEASED in todays papers.dAMN GOOD SPIN DOCTORS IN THE MEDIA I SAY
for starters i didnt even know Mdm.Kwa Geok Choos name till today.
the reason?
She did nothing for this nation.and if she did it was not for free either.
To be fair she did some legal work for drawing up of the Womans Charter and the ratification of water agreement in the UN between Spore and Malaysia.her law firm was also handsomely paid for conveyancing work for every HDB homes bought for all those years they were appointed to do so.
She was a consort of ex PM now MM , mother of PM and lawyer by profdession.
other than that she was like any aunty in spore bringing up her brood , working to supplement the family income ,supporting her hubby.
even your mum and mine did are doing the same thing.
Even the tissue selling aunty in the hawker centre or the table cleaning aunty in food court did/are doing the same exact thing to their family.
The only difference they barely scraped a living and stay in two room or thee room flat while she lived in the lap of luxury and was rich.
Period.
The paper even refer to the deceased as “first Lady”
what a slap in the face of all the past and present presidents wifes.
so dont get carried away with all the spin you see in the damned papers.
Put things in perspective.
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He is the founder of Sinkapore Pte Ltd. For that reason, we have to be more understanding.
Would you give up your company when it is generating alot of revenue?
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Didn’t they force Ong Teng Cheong out of presidency by stating that his health would not allow him to carry out his duties? Obvious double standards seen here.
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Eh TR, you and ur bunch of trouble-inciting hooligans get back to SGP first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was a TR supporter. But now, after knowing and understanding your nature, I’m PRO PAP.
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an to those who say they revere MM and to let him mourn without all these snide remarks. I agree.
MM was a Damn good Pm . we certainlyowe hm a debt for bringing prosperity , instilling Discipline and work ethics in us and all that.
If he had stood down after his PM term was up..
If his son and in laws are not in seats of political and economic power
perhaps the people would have revered him more.
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LKY is a evil bastard who is overdue to retire from life … he has a one-way ticket to the depths of hell. May the heavens have mercy on sinkies and deliver us from this monstrous pathological liar, who has destroyed the rights of sinkies to free speech and free assembly.
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HE CANNOT RETIRE. This dirty old man has a lot of dirty things like Suharto and Marcos who are corrupted. He has to hold onto power until he dies. He is the God of no mercy.
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Is Lee Kuan Yew immortal???
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K Das: October 3, 2010 at 5:41 pm
” The depth and breath of his knowledge of some of the key countries that are attracting global attention and his world view are highly sought after by foreign leaders and think-tanks. ”
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HE COULD RESIGN N BE A ‘GLOBAL CONSULTANT’.
This way don’t waste public money.
K Das, u think they invited him? He invited himself n used public funds.
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@someone who doesn’t agree: October 3, 2010 at 5:35 pm
someone who doesn’t agree:
” Mr Lee continues to assume a very pivotal role in Singapore-I am sure many would be rather uncertain about Singapore’s future if he were to step down-and ….. ”
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@someone who doesn’t agree,
SO YOU MEAN THAT HE MUST CARRY ON LIVING FOREVER,
OR SINGAPORE BE IN DEEP SHIT.
??????????????
So do you how to keep him alive forever, SO SINGAPORE ‘DON’T SINK’ AND ‘ALL PEOPLE IN SINGAPORE DROWN’.
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Daft Singaporeans still do not get it!
Lee OWNS Singapore! In every sense. Singapore is Leekabore.
You are all employees of the LKY thru the PAP.
Even Singapore Media Corp changed the TV program because of KGC’s death. Only in a dictatorship country you see this. (What is wrong showing I AM LEGEND by Will Smith? Taboo of what??)
Listen,this woman has everything to do with all the dirty politics in Singapore. She is the master mind.
Singapore should light fireworks and celebrate! For me, opening a nice bottle of wine and enjoy a funeral and anticipate LKY’s death and LHL’s death to be next. They are one evil family that really fuck up Singapore.
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junruslan
@Andrew Quah- We as Ordinary Singaporeans must always remain constructive and objective and not be mislead by our Opposition parties.
It looks like you have been mislead by DAP the cousin of PAP on
Mahathir.
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See what happens when the Old Fart don’t retire and use taxpayers money for Russian and Europe holiday instead? Falls over on holiday, go home with sickness, and end up in hospital. Cannot spend the last moment with his wife, end up she have to die a sad lonely death. This is god’s punishment for him not retiring! Still don’t retire, he will have to bury his son next!
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ask him how many days MC he took during last 5 years ? MC king CBL
and KLKK ….Fly here fly there , come back take MC.
after mc, wife mati …after wife mati…fly again
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Those people who make sarcastic comments like LKY is getting old and should retire are a bunch of idiots who do not know anything. LKY built Singapore from the very beginning. Everything he has done has always been for the best of Singapore. I pray the day that Mr Lee passes on will not be soon because there is no one competent enough to take over his job. He is still strong in mind at least. Stop thinking that he should retire just because he is old. Put yourself in his shoes for once! Can you really bear to see something you spent your entire life building being taken over by someone less competent than yourself? I dare to say that if I was in his shoes, I would take the helm for as long as possible as I cannot see anyone better. And from the comments I can see that there are many more incompetent people than I once thought. Do you people even know what you owe to Mr Lee? Go do some research and start thinking with your brain instead of your ass.
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To: Andrew Chuah.
You don’t represent any singaporeans and don’t talk craps with your rubbish comments of LKY should still remain in the politic as if that old sh*t head still remain and making 3 mil’s it’s beside wasting taxes also talking rubbishs like his son and importing all those trashes to wreck chaos to our life then they surely should “GO” not just the old man but his son too all should go and so are the cronies too all go….go…..!!!! We all had enough of their wayangs and rubbish policies since..
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WHOA WHOA WHOA…SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE MORE AND MORE PRO-PAPies BOOTLICKERS ARE APPEARING AND GIVING NONSENSE DEBATES.
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@Sheelah, did you pass your History tests and examinations in school?
@Andrew Chuah, when was the last time you had your brain checked for possible brain tumor?
It might be the cause of your LEFT brain nto knowing what RIGHT brain is saying sickness.
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Basically by hanging on, he is worried about his legacy and the empire he painfully built.
History has shown repeatedly when someone stays in power for too long, it becomes obsession and power. This was what happen to Emperor Qin, he wanted to have an elixir to live forever but in the end, he still had to die. Eunuch took over, numerous revolts and led to the collapse of Qin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Shi_Huang
People want to have highest regards for state leader but instead what do we see here? Why not try to be like Brazil’s president? Love and adore by public till the day he leaves office.
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20101003/tts-brazil-vote-c1b2fc3.html
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Captain Sham:
October 3, 2010 at 8:41 pm
You are right, he needs to be there because his cancer boy prince son is really useless.
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@Forecaster Extraordinarie III
You have been updated to newer version . Your forecast is obsolete,
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@anonymous
People who mentor PRC in Australia should not be making any comment here.
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@Sheelah:
Aiyoh, father of the nation! One must be deranged or simply so dense to assume so lah. Like that Singapore no hope lah.
Old fart in small and big ways contributed but there were so MANY others including ordinary citizens who collaborated along the way.
Sad indeed that the turds of bigotry prejudices and the blind allegiance(s) seem to not go away or refuse to be flushed away.
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If I make $3 mil a year doing forecasting with fully paid overseas visits, I also do not want to retire. I do not even want to die.
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How can over-reliance on an octogenarian be a good thingie?
I am fearful of our future.
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these 2days pap ib out full strength. ma chiam like the zombies in Resident Evil or I’m Legend. bloody damn scary!
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You all want him to be a POWER HUNGRY GHOST ?
I would prefer him to live longer as a human.
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MM Lee is 89, if he could lived another 5yrs is a bonus liao. I think this is his “last election” his health will not permit him to do another election.
The next 10 years we will witness many old guards gone, look at Dr M having chest infection, MM Lee having chest infection, Chiam See Tong having stroke, guess their age had caught up with them finally
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The demise of his wife probably bought him a few more sympathy votes
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Condolences to the Lees’
At least now they don’t have Estate Duty to think about.
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As a Malaysian and outsider from across the Causeway, I feel that LKY is really past his prime, he should have retired 10 years ago. We have two former Prime Ministers running around without any government positions, Singapore should take a leaf out of the page from that.
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Time is a harsh punishment … his wife’s ran out first (good fer her as she’s been very ill for a while – end of her suffering)
Must be hard for Mrs Lee’s husband to be left all alone while she leaves first. Maybe it’s pay back for a man so powerful, He now has to watch her go … heart wrenching and inexplicable sorrow? Wonder what is he feeling now ?
Might be a double blow to their family.
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LKY=Singapore
so MM need to stay forever…..cheers!
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Oh Tee Kong, God, Allah, Almighty. Please bring LKY to hell. Please don’t waste Sinaporeans money by paying him millions yearly while wstruggled to put food on table. During lunar 7th month I will burn tons of hell notes to LKY to compensate what he need.
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I think you guys should cut him some slack, his wife has just passed away. No matter how much u guys hate LKY, i guess we should not be posting such remarks when he is mourning the lost of a loved one.
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What kind of human would wish another ill-will? Many of the postings here smack of ignorance, hatred and delusion. No one needs to be loyal to, agree with, love, like or revere anyone but that does not mean one should go about demeaning another. Apply the Golden Rule – don’t do to another what you don’t want another to do to you.
There are many smart alecks who think they are better and can do better. If so, do. Making calls here however ‘noble’ are just so base. I see many just talk. A baby can also talk. Talk is easy and cheap especially in an Internet forum.
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Singaporeans would respect and admire him more if he were to retire after LHL became PM. Over the past 6 years since LHL took over from GCT, there have been serious gaffes and blunders from MM. The latest gaffe was during the Russian-Singapore seminar when he said that Singapore consists of Chinese and Indians.
Let’s face it. Although MM is still relatively alert and lucid, he has lost much of his previous mental agility and sharpness characteristic of him in his heydays. He should just retire gracefully and enjoy the things that he likes to do eg. reading, exercising and travelling (at his own expense) rather than be bogged down with meetings, official trips, talks, speeches etc.
His latest bout of chest infection was no doubt caused by his travel to Russia and France. Even though he travels first class and in style, long distance travel to temperate countries is stressful both on the mind and the body. With news of his wife’s death, the emotional and mental toll on him will certainly aggravate his medical condition. This could explain why he is still in hospital and not at his wife’s wake.
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Aiyah,why so many people want LKY retire one? People like him got so much power and money how can give up leh?
He is a mix of “Marcos,Suharto,Kim Jong Il” and must always be remembered internationally as “Marcos Leeharto Kuan Il” liao.
He’s certainly World crass lor!
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guys, be kind with words. you have grandparents, dont you?
y curse an 80yo man who is still trying to do his part for the country that he built up?
while he is working, what are you doing? sitting comfortably in your aircon studyroom cursing and swearing him in temasek review? what have you done for singapore? for the society?
if you cant contribute, dun destroy, another option is, migrate if you qualified.
ugly singaporean. shame!
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When LKY hand over the premiership to GCT, he said he will continue to participate in all future GE in order to help his PAP younger leaders win GE. That is why he come up with all kind of unfair tactics so that his party will rule Singapore forever. Sad to say, by doing so he actually hurt Singapore more than he hurt those who oppose his party. By hook or by crook he hit the opposition camp so hard that he actually discourage many humble and capable “Local Talent” from joining politic. Because he think he is onmiscience, he chose to become the director and producer. In the end it is Singapore and her subjects who is the biggest loser. Take a look at Japan LDP. Rule Japan for 44 years. The Japanese people think the LDP is the only party who is more capable to rule Japan but after 15 years of negative GDP growth decided to vote the LDP out. For his own sake he should retire gracefully and let the younger generation Singaporean decide their own future. Like it or not he cannot live forever to oversee this island. He have to “let go”.
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I don’t think a handful of ungrateful people can be referred to as “Netizens” in general so there’s something wrong with the headline here.
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“guys, be kind with words. you have grandparents, don’t you?”
for starters, my grandparents did not bring in truck loads of aliens into our home, neither did they hoodwink, take more than their share, tell lies, pretend to take care or be concern, impose their ways, suppress speaking the truth, nor pretend they are indispensable.
oh yeah, my grandparents despise those who are hypocrites and shamelessly carry balls. scums in the eyes of my grandparents.
why don’t you tell everyone, what have you done for singapore ?
for society ? and ballcarriers have no business asking other singaporeans to migrate ? not even lky himself.
it is you who is a damn shame to the country and its people !
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Enough with Mrs Lee’s death. This article is about netizens calling for LKY’s retirement, and nasty comments are in their correct place here.
Of course, LKY has done much for Singapore, that cannot be refuted without being unfair to him, but he has also clung to power instead of quitting while he is ahead like he should, creating first the title of Senior Minister and then Minister Mentor, all the while siphoning taxpayers’ money needlessly while being increasingly arrogant (in the words of Devan Nair) and making blunders of increasing number and severity.
In the words of classical musicians, ‘Con_te_partirò’ – or, in English – ‘Time to Say Goodbye’.
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My father shouldn’t retire instead should go n DIE.
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Belives that he refused to retire from politics is he wants a state funeral at the expense of taxpayers. He also want probably a statue or RWS & MBS to be rename after him with his demise.
Also may want to stay on due to all his past dirty deeds & corrupt mentality to be hidden till he disappears.So that no charges can be level against him if he is still “active”. All his past & present misdeeds must be exposed…..
He must be gotton rid from politics 4 ever for Singapore to progress further.
We all need to audit Temasek & all the other offices he & his cronies have occupied. Only way is tp deney PAP a 2/3 majority or make them the opposition before he dies……Ha……………HA…………….HA
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87 year old man, how many of such old man can you find still working full time and drawing a salary of $3M? (owners of companies dont count since they can stick their name as the head even if they do absolutely nothing afterall the company are theirs)
Could it be that he is afraid to leave his job as he is concerned that his son the PM is incapable to control the party and the parliament?
More importantly he wont be able to run the country the way he feels it should with his absence?
Sure LKY should step down, his clinging on will only raise the exposure to Singapore.
Think, LKY passes away in office and LKY passes away after retirement which will have a greater impact to Singapore and Singapore’s economy including our currency and stock market?
Dont need an economic or political expert to figure this out.
So clearly the advantages of LKY stepping down is far superior to his excuses to stay.
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Hmm……so many people cursing at one particular family? From the father, mother, son to daughter-in-law, everyone was cursed by their own fella citizens!
I don’t think anyone would go round cursing someone else for no apparent reason, right? When x-MIW Ong TC or Goh KS died, all that people has were many good words, respect and sympathy for the family. It’s the same even for opposition leader JBJ!
Why is it that someone from this LEE family just passed on but what they have from the public is more curse and insult? Something is definitely not right! Hmm……some soul-searching is badly needed!
No matter how much one has achieved in life; how muh wealth one has; if he/she is cursed by such LARGE number of his/her own countrymen, he/she is still a FAILURE in life!!!!!!
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If only he can just ‘let go’ then all his $million ministers & top guns do not have to go to work everyday and ’shake legs’ all day long. Without him breathing down their necks, they would be able to go round tackling, solving, rectifying, problems based on their own abilities, capabilites and most impt of all answer and account for their mistakes, honest or otherwise.
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CANCER PATIENT LIVES UNDER NICOLL HIGHWAY
One wrong turn in sleep & she could GO UNDER
May 01, 2009
UNWELL & UNSAFE: Miss Goh at her sleeping spot – which is just about 60cm wide – under the Nicoll Highway, next to the KallangRiver. She is left weak and also lost her hair from from undergoing chemotherapy. TNP PICTURE: MOHD ISHAK
SHE suffers from breast cancer, yet she braves the elements every night living out in the open, rather than have a proper roof over her head.
Home for her and two men, Mr Kamsani, 58, and another man in his 50s, is a two-metre-wide concrete pavement under a bridge on the Nicoll Highway along the Kallang River.
Miss Goh Jade Choo, 34, makes her bed on the pavement’s extension next to the river, which is just about 60cm wide. So do the men.
If she were to roll over while sleeping, she could fall off the extension into the river, though this has not happened before….
http://www.singsupplies.com/showthread.php?t=27055
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The fact is that his wife is dead. Gone forever.
He got 2 Options left.
1) Look for his wife in the other world.
2) Find one new FT wife in the form of China Mei Mei.
Any of the above should keep him busy for a while.
mFART must Mati
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LKY is a lonely man surrounded by either enemies or sycophants. His wife was his pillar. Now that she’s gone, he will go soon.
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I would rather like to put it in another way :
As the current Prime Minister of Singapore, do you still lack the charisma and confidence to govern our country independantly without the guidance of a Mentor ? As our Law Minister would like to argue in his own way, what message are you trying to send to Singaporeans that you still need your 87-year old father to run about like a clown in a circus ?
For heavens sake, please give him a break !
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anyway i believe he has enjoy life to the fullest. now is time to stop thinking and rest. i think he has not much time left. the really thing to do is to do good deeds. contribute to Singaporeans by giving some $$$ before he go.
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Sinkaporeans better diam diam and keep quiet. The PAPies already clueless now and if you give them anymore ideas, then they might come up with more better ideas.
If then Millister Mentor kenna promoted to Senior Millister Mentor how? Or they come up with MM1, MM2 and MM3 like in the Army and Police, then how?
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it’s time to let go, Mr Lee.
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It’s really pathetic to read the long list of senseless and immature postings on power & 3M SGD salary from a handful of fellow Singaporeans. As a fellow singaporean as well, I symphatize your misfortunes and worries to lead a fulfilling lives in Singapore. Your envy for others’ achievement and wealth has degraded your humanity. It’s a pity that you have to lead a painful life with so much grudges. Keep it short.
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Like so many readers of TR has expressed, God is not blind.
Lee’s time will come and it will be soon.
Most likely he will not live beyond this year.
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remember king lear – that power hungry bastard who eventually became mad because he persecuted all his enemies, including the daughter who stood by him. In the end he had no one left to commiserate his madness.
Life has its own way of finding vindication and justice. What comes around goes around. The old goat is slowly living out the same pain and misery that his political enemies had suffered.
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It’s rather entertaining to read some of these Singlish-infested posting. I would like to believe that even my niece who is in Pri One fare much better in the argument. To those anti-PAP who aspired to be one but simply can’t meet the mark, I would humbly suggest that you should level up your maturity and have a humane sense of gratitude to those who has given you a sheltered rooftop. And to those Opposition-wanna-be, try harder because even a 3 million salary can raise a big issue for you. I can’t help but assume that somebody is too desperate to find an accusation or perhaps financial aids. Social workers would be pleased to extend their helping hands to you. Cheers
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some singaporeans ‘re making singapore an international laughing stock.
your father through his hardworks built up a successful business empire. He is sick now and your mother has just passed away. Instead of mourning your mother’s departure, you told your father to handover the successful business empire to you.
shameful, isn’t it?
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While we are thankful to MM Lee for building Singapore into what it is today, there is a time to let go. This whole Senior Minister and Minister Mentor roles are just titles made up to keep the old guard in power. What’s going to come after Minister Mentor when PM Lee retires and SM Goh gets ‘promoted’? MM Lee will probably come up with yet another title for himself… Minister Supremo? Nowhere else do you see retired politicians remaining in power after retirement, not even the President of the United States. Once they’re out, they’re out. Tony Blair, Bill Clinton. Margaret Thatcher, George Bush, etc. may still get a pension and consult from time to time, but they certainly don’t enjoy all the perks of the office they once held. Here Senior Ministers and above still draw salaries above US$1.5m and still get to travel first class on the taxpayer’s dime. IMHO, all our retired ministers should simply bow out gracefully and let the next generation of leaders, be they in PAP or the opposition, take over.
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LKY may not be perfect but most Singaporeans will swear that we are damn lucky to have had him, me included. Even though I don’t agree with all his policies and methods, I still admire and respect him deeply. At the end of the day , this man delivered. It’s not all just hot air. It’s easy to talk and criticize. Everyone here can do it.
Human beings tend to take things for granted, Singaporeans included. If not for LKY, our country would not be what it is today. Is it Utopia? Maybe not but it is idealistic and naive to think that Utopia exist. Can the country improve or things done differently? Sure. There is always many ways to skin a cat. But one of the things I respect of LKY is that he works from the fundamental of doing good for the country. Not every policy that stems from that approach worked out but I would much rather this approach anytime .
As for retirement at his age, to be honest I am ambivalent. He has done much for the country and more than deserves the rest. But to have him continue to represent Singapore in the world, is a tremendous boost to our image. Travel and talk to foreigners and you will feel the admiration for the man and envy for us.
Talk to any PR in Singapore and you will find, I would bet, at least 80-90 % of them singing praises of him. Like I say , we take him for granted.
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U think only LKY can do the job? Goh Meeng Seng can replace him anytime!!
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After reading the comments I can easily conclude that some singaporeans have so little class that I am not even sure if they are half-human, dogs or pigs…
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Paying tax makes Singaporeans complain too much, but in exchange for the Peace and Green, is it worth? What is more superior than Peace? Oh, sorry, u have not experienced War I supposed?
And wad makes u all think that the next “King” will be a better one to take the lead?
Don’t take things for granted Singaporeans, open your eyes to the world and you will note the difference.
You can’t hold your money after death, so be contented, while you still can surf the internet and read this.
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@godiswatchingu: I can say that what LKY has done from 1970 to 1990 were genrally great for Singapore and Singaporeans, except for his use of ISA against his political opponents as well as the court to “bankrupt” people that do not agree with him, politically.
After 1990, he did not do anything good – while he remind a senior stateman he has allowed and participated in many policies that marginalised Singaporeans – immigration policies, HDB policies, CPF policies, handling of TH and GIC, handling of GLCs.
Many here will agree that LKY, from the 1990 till today, still yielded huge influence in policy decisions – as such, he must be accountable to what has happened to most Singaporeans’ problems today – depressed income, high cost of living, high HDB pricing, CPF money being locked up, high medical cost and Medisave money cannot to use to pay for full amount of medical treatment, etc, etc!
Most native Singaporean knows exactly what is the real situation here – this is why the reactions to LKY are what you are reading here. Of course, you have asking PR and Foreigners, they may have a different view as they may not know the real situation and at the same time, a lot of the policies over the last 10 years are pro-foreigners and PR – it is quite natural you will hear good stuffs from them.
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Lee Er San:
October 4, 2010 at 4:17 pm
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My mother didn’t pass away, yours just did.
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@Lee Er San
Ooi! He’s not my father & she’s not my mother, hor! If you’re their illegitimate child, by all means mourn for her death. But don’t anyhow say they’re S’poreans’ parents, hah!!!!!
My parents may not be rich or successful but I’ll always be proud of them. At least they earn an honest living and would never do evil to harm others!
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Retire? Siao ah!
His wife just passed on, now don’t need to read stories or poems to her anymore, yahoo! more time to fix Sinkies!!!
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paying at SGD 3 million…………
If I were paid that amount,I would not retire until end of my life…………………….
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alvinlwh,well said ,i think MM Lee would be burying his own grave next with all the tax payers money he made that is more than 100 billion dollars in his cof.
He did appear moments ago to see his dead wife’s body and the man cant even stand and looked very pale.I can say that half of his life has already vanished away from all his evil deeds to what he has done destroying people’s Life.
Remember he called James Gomez a liar during the last election and James said that he would forgive MM Lee has he was a catholic.MM Lee never forgave him and challenged James to sue him.
The PR and Foreigner in singaproe do not know the truth about what has happened in singapore all these years ,why are there a huge number of singaporeans still suffering and making ends meet,cant withdraw CPF until the age of 65 and only partially, cant use Medisafe for full hospitalization costs,it all boils down to one man behind the system.
Such a man who had no mercy for his people and citizens,do you think he is going to give you 10 cents if you were begging on the streets.The least he can do is ask his body guards to get you away from his sight.
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Lee Er San Singapore is a country not a business empire to be pass on in the family get that straight. No wonder your sirname also Lee hor?
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Hey come on. His wife just died. Cut him some slack.
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reading some of the comments here, i’m so glad that these people are juz netizens who has no influence over our country in whatsoever ways.. i can’t believe that some people can be so cold blooded..
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cclcclccl,well said .Maybe TR should pleadge that MM LEE donate his 3 million salary to charity not necessary to poor people in singapore since the term”poor folks ” in not in this man vocabulary as a respect for his beloved wife’s death.But most singaporeans feel its karma for what this man had done to singaporeans which is unforgiveable.Never ever dream this man is going to donate any dime to any charity organization.
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I wonder why Temasek Review has deleted my posting if the administrator can tolerate the tons of craps in this forum… it says one thing… propaganda.. TR jus wanna let the readers view what it deems fit.. so SG govt-like.. TR is run by PAP.. woohooo…
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i am of the opinion that most people who have ever achieved extraordinary things would have large numbers of detractors, opponents, people hating them. take Ghandi. someone hated him to the extent of assasinating him. Jesus Christ was so hated by some of his contemporaries that he was cruxified (meaning no offence to our Christian friends).
of course, not all people who are vilified by some are indeed great. but i think it is the nature of great people to be hated, at least by some segments of the population.
but perhaps MM should indeed consider retiring. we are a nation on the cusp of maturing, on the edge of transition. perhaps we need to move on, unfettered by the baggages of the past.
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oh… but as much as netizens have called for MM to retire, heck of a lot more netizens have expressed condolences and respect for Mdm Kwa. so perhaps the Lee family’s reputation isn’t as bad as TR wld want us to believe…
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@ Sheelah:
October 3, 2010 at 5:31 pm
LKY is not the Father of our nation. May be he is your father. Please check with your mother.
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Hmmm, so many Pro-PAP trolls on TR, wonder why?
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Wow, this is the current society we are in. We wish ill of people, and hope for the ‘best’ to happen. This is what Singaporeans are now. It’s barely a week Mdm Kwa has passed away, and here we have people regardless of sentiments and feelings. If you people think that you can do better, please, make action, don’t give rubbish and only hurl verbal comments.
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Hey CRC
You cannot put you god Lee Cunt you in the league of Ghandi/Jesus. Remeember they were not Arsehole like him who control the press,did human genetic engineering,collect salaries,sue people,call other names,cheat their followers who has voted him in,nepotism etc,etc.
He has to pay for what he has done to all his fellow citizen & drove out the cream politicians who helped him to the throne.
Please read 2 side of the story,not only the strait times man.
Wake up CRC—-whatever he is going through is the curse of MAJORITY SINGAPOREAN & MALAYSIANs.
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@Gary:
October 3, 2010 at 6:52 pm
“Eh TR, you and ur bunch of trouble-inciting hooligans get back to SGP first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was a TR supporter. But now, after knowing and understanding your nature, I’m PRO PAP.”
FOS-If I were you i just shut the fcuking mouth and never come to the TR anymore. You seem to telling the whole world that you are fed up with TR and you are pro pap. I read your same comment on other article.
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I don’t believe in kicking a dog when its down. Some of you have behaved in the most appalling manner here. Where is your sense of compassion? Your humanity? Even if the person in question is the devil incarnate, 2 wrongs don’t make a right – show some respect for the dead for f**k’s sake.
Don’t get me wrong. The ruling party has not won my sympathy vote or anything. I am also rather irritated by the state media’s constant presentation of the late Mdm Kwa as “First Lady”. But there is a time and place for everything – what has politics have to do with the grief of an 87 year old codger?
To those malevolence spewing snarky buggers out there who just won’t give the old fart a break – you are no better than the object of your hate. Please don’t expect any sympathy when your turn comes – you don’t deserve it.
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Why so much noise in here? Those of you who likes to sing good tunes about lky/pap you are in the wrong ktv room. This room is for Singers who want to express their feelings. Just like romance songs and hard rock don’t share the same emotion. Just my 2 cents opinion, LOL.
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Ok… i am sorrie…
I guess i am confused.
i want to be PRO TR again! YESH!
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Will N.Korea Kim be the first person to be given a space burial blasting the dead body into outer space on a rocket?
We wait.
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Mahb:After reading the comments I can easily conclude that some singaporeans have so little class that I am not even sure if they are half-human, dogs or pigs…
some “human being” are worse than half human , dog or pig … do i need to tell you know who was that ? ok , like qing shi huang or mao etc etc etc … hunderd of thousand of lifes just gone becoz they insist some ppl are no good .. those highly educated ppl !
most singaporeans definitely have some class becoz they don’t kill human being ! good enough for me …
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His one-time close pal, our ex-President the late Mr C V Devan Nair, advised him not to hang round the necks of the younger leaders (when Mr Goh was the PM) like the Albatross (Bird of Death) but let them put their brand on leadership. Like all dictators before him, LKY will not step down for fear of the ‘unknown’. He did not heed Mr Nair’s warning. Do you think he is going to listen to you?
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@ GARY
I like your style. When can meet u for a anal sex session? Me always pro GARY. F**k me now…gary.
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@ GARY
u are just being a laughing stock.
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He is a blardy greedy man who only wants power & money for his family.He destroyed many peoples & family lifes.
He is doomed to suffer with the remaining members of the LEE family & relatives of his wife & PAP members who has driven all the best people of Singapore out.Most of them have already migrated.
Let him pay for his sins.
The man above know what to do with him & his cronies.
VOTE PAP OUT TO KNOW THE TRUTH OF THIS TRAITOR including GCT the hypocrite.
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contrary to popular believe that lee kuan yew should retire from politics, i beg to differ. he should retire from this earth.
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bloody hell, i waited and waited and waited so long to open up my case of moet champagne which I bought 3 years ago, and now I saw something swimming inside the bottles, what’s that thingy hah???
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It’s old LEE’s semen lor.
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I hope that he would be around for as along as he is able to. He is nonetheless a treasure for our country.
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We must bring back or allow all Singapore citizen back to Singapore. Although the PAP ruling of if you are away & have not return to Singapore in the last 10 years you loose your citizenship.This rule were made so that those who disagree with the Old fatt & this law was also mastermined by Gecko to deny the real story being told by people who was a treat to the Familee & PAP.
Will have to change many laws that was enacted to suite LKY/GCT & PAP. Let Toh Chin Chye & all the ex-PAP guys who were sidelined & ask to make way for younger people, while this arse hole hang on——we got to ask ourselves why is he holding on.
Lets get 2/3 majority & stand for as many GRC as possible …….then finally we may be able to get OUR CPF & many other perk back.
We need the citizen rule not PAP rules.Why do we need MM/SM/President without powers=yes man/ when their cronies leave to serve as ministers they create special title for them selves to stay in power & collect Millions of $$$$$.
This include Jayakumar/GCT/ & other MPs who are quitting & getting a place in GLCs & Companies under Temasek to collect Fat salaries –Kfels/Sembawang/SIA/F&N/SMRT/Banks/PUB/LTA etc.
Lets STOP them & do an audit.How to achieve this only way is to vote them out.
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I feel he still has something to contribute[minus negative remarks about Malaysia which may be true are counterproductive and unhelpful especially at this stage since our relations with Malaysia are now much better. However, I agree his salary is certainly too astronomical as most would agree. He actually lives a fairly simple life and the money left behind[most or large proportion of it?]would pressumably be used for some charitable foundation? He would gain more political goodwill[seeing the irrational and emaotional venom being heaped on him by the usual recalcitrant Singaporeans]if he were to donate 90% of his present salary to the comminity chest and perhaps the other Ministers could also be encouraged to donate 50% to the Community Chest. Incidentally I have seen Singapore’s tremendous progress from 1965 when I commenced work until my retirement 10 years ago and altho this country is certaily not perfect and requires some tuning in terms of more ‘political’ freedom [not the complete freedom of western democracies]in the area of political expression[ie the use of libel laws against opposition figures which may be perfectly legal but are against the spirit of the law]and a doubling of the workfare payments to help the lowly paid workers, and a few other changes,I would not want to live in any other country in spite of the fact there are obviously countries with beautiful scenic spots[the Canadian Rockies,Switzerland, Austria Switzerland, etc]which are very attractive and which one is free to visit as tourists.
A.W.
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In my humble opinion as the new gen of singaporeans below 30,
Instead of wasting time replying this post, put it into action during the elections.
cheers
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Admittedly the man does deserve our sympathy (or empathy) for having just lost a loved one of over seven decades.
But again some concerns raised are valid. Although we can accept that LKY has contributed a lot to raise Singapore up, he’s also reaped the benefits over the years, and given a choice, he’d do it again even with half the salary. It’s part of his nature. So while we acknowledge his efforts, I don’t think there’s a need for him to remain on the Cabinet (where else do you find an MM?). His influence on politics will still be greater than ordinary MPs even if he were divorced of a post, if it only be through Sunday lunches with Hsien Loong.
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ok lah let’s be fair.
Wait for coming GE and see which party will rule. Don’t hate so much. Accept the outcome gentlemenly and move on.
If not your party wins, wait for next next GE.
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Mahb:
October 4, 2010 at 6:01 pm
After reading the comments I can easily conclude that some singaporeans have so little class that I am not even sure if they are half-human, dogs or pigs…
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What is clear is you are a SKUNK!!!
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