Serial Numbers on Votes (revisited)
October 29th, 2010 | 
Author: I believe this topic has been cover before.
Yet once again I believe there is a need for the message to gotten out with as much clarity as possible.
Let me state for a fact that in no way, can a person’s vote be known to any other party unless the voter divulges it. The serial numbers are to ensure no duplication, phantom votes etc, and are in no way for the Elections Department or any other investigative body to decipher.
The counted votes are sealed and then destroyed in a manner which all political parties can witness. And as a former civil servant, let me assure you that if any funny business had taken place, the civil service has a ‘lot of big mouths’ including those who like myself (who never voted for the ruling party), and would never let an issue like this rest.
Yet there remains a sizable number of voters who continue to believe that their votes are not secret, and that the authorities can in some way trace them. Even a large number of civil servants themselves feel they must vote for the party in power, because they are government servants, and if they fail to do so, their ‘protest votes’ will come back to haunt them later on, because there are mechanics for them to be traced.
Of course, this predicament does not hurt the party in power, as it easily translate into votes for them, and as such there is no real need for them to do themselves a disservice, by allaying voters fears on voting secrecy.
Therefore the onus is on opposition politicians from all parties to raise this and raise this continuously, so that eventually, less and less people will believe this. So much so they must urge in a loud and united voice for the Elections Department to disseminate the correct information on voting secrecy to every single voter, better still they should urge the Minister responsible to state this on record, although that maybe wishful thinking on my part.
In elections where the odds are almost always stacked against the opposition, it’s vital that needless possible opposition votes are not lost by a mischievous and misinformed belief that voting isn’t secret.
I estimate that the opposition loses nearly 10-15% of all valid votes because of this mistaken belief. And given that the opposition usually takes seats from the PAP with wafer thin majorities, the loss of such votes makes all the difference between victory and defeat.
Therefore make it a goal of this website and that of the opposition parties to get this message out, loud and clear, that voting is secret and you can vote for any party without fear.
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Nelspruit
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Dont worry. I vote for the opposition many times, nothing happens, no policeman or secret agents knocking on my door.
I dont care even there is serial numbers. HAHAHHA
I think this election, PAP might get a BIG surprise. So many people that I know, living in Bedok, Tampines, West coast and Jurong will vote for the opposition this coming election no matter what, as long as the area has no walkover.
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If Singaporeans are worried about some number on the vote sheet, perhaps Singaporeans deserve PAP.
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Hi Sg Folks,
General Election is coming pls download this article DETAIL VERSION and help to distribute to people / strangers around you to get more opposition votes
http://www.temasekreview.com/2010/10/27/an-overview-of-the-current-sociao-political-situation-in-singapore/
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u cant blame those working in public sector to think like that. it is their rice bowl and nobody would like to crack theirs. no matter what is written, many still have the fear in them. with the large number of people in this sector, the ruling party already have a steady pool of voters and helpers too.
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For God’s sake this topic is irrelevant! It should be banned from this site. Voting is secret and please do not harp on this anymore! Just like the SMCs, GRCs, boundaries — these are what PAP want you to harp all the time for the past 30 years! The oppositions have to contest all seats if they really want the fence-seaters to come out and support them! Harping on these are what PAP want you to do!Cheers.
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whatever it is,singaporeans,if you don’t want to be looked down by foreigners who dare to look down us becos the garbagemen call us daft and give our jobs to these foreigners,then,it is time to show to these foreigners who we really are.
the only one way to show them what we are made of is by votin gout the garbagemen in white.
if we don’t,then.i guess we just need to shut up and stop opening our mouths to criticise the garmen here or elsewhere.
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What if I am voting from an overseas polling station? Surely, the number of Singaporeans from my consistuency living in my city is small enough for any party to profile me if they want to. Also, when the boxes arrive in Singapore, don’t they have to open the box so that my voting slip can be retrieved to be included with the rest of the voting slips polled in Singapore?
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This coming GE… whether got serial no or even has my name printed on it..
I am going to heck care already..
I will vote in any opposition !!!!
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Yes, I agree that it deserves dedicated attention to highlight this misconception.
Don’t vote out of fear.
Vote out of love.
Vote for change, not out of habit.
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I can tell you honestly that the voters will be tracked especially those people who are holding high position in the civil service. I was an ex-regular fyi.
I was being told during my regular time by a warrant officer of how a Major officer was being black-marked. He was due for promotion for Lieutenant Colonel position. He went for the interview panel chaired by 3 Colonels from HAO HAM etc. The first question he was being queried on was why did he vote for opposition during the election. Well end of story is that he did not get his promotion and condemned for his career.
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Why aren’t the opposition contesting more seats? We repeat: why aren’t the opposition contesting more seats? There are many people who want to vote but can’t do so because of walkovers. Can the opposition contests more seats so that there are less walkover please?
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Look at it this way.
For the past decade, whether you had voted for or against the PAP many S’poreans lives are wrecked by the indiscriminate importation of cheap foreign workers.
So ask yourself. What have you got to lose if you vote against PAP….the uncertainty?….the unknown?….BUT one thing is certain …. vote for the PAP again with a two third majority, we, the citizens of S’pore, will definately live through more (anti-native S’poreans?) polcies that the PAP stuffed down our throats for the past 10 years.
Vote for the PAP again, the lives of native S’poreans reaching the age of 40s or 50s, maybe even those in the 30s, will definately be screwed. Native S’poreans in future will definately be a minority in our own country! So ask yourself. Seriously. What have you got to lose if you vote against the PAP?
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Desperate state! Vote villains out to save Singapore.
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@ Go on sleeping
It’s not cheap to stand for election. First off you need a deposit of 14k to just STAND for election.
Second, opposition parties are severely restricted when it comes to funding. They cannot receive anonymous donations of more than $5000 in a calendar year. This SEVERELY limits their financial capabilities. In the end candidates have to fork out money from their own pockets to fund the election, and campaigning is not cheap.
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Native Singaporeans has been “FOOLED” by PAPies for almost 50 years! A lot of us a only starting to realise we have been “fooled” for so long by them. The PAPies are now engaging is a process to replace and displaced us, the native Singaporeans, so that they can have a new set of citizens that they hope they can start afresh in fooling them for another 50 years.
This process of changing over started 10 to 15 years ago – if we, native Singaporeans, allow this to continue to another 5 to 10 years, their process will have completed – can native Singaporeans allow this to happen?
We must vote out the PAPies!
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To all cowards, it’s a small price to pay, some other country they gave their lives to defend their freedom and rights.
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I am also “Not Bothered” already …if I am worry ..then thats the END for me and my Kids….Die!,Die!….lets overcome the “Fear” ,bravely….kick the fat ass off !
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I also voted donkey time for the opposition and nothing happens to me all these years.
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I believe Singaporean should no longer FEAR NOT VOTING FOR PeeAPee, serial number of whatever so-called ‘tracking’.
Only fear is that they use Electronic voting machines. In which case, they could just easily program it their way, like what they have done in the USA.
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@ Hellcat:
October 29, 2010 at 1:02 pm
To all cowards, it’s a small price to pay, some other country they gave their lives to defend their freedom and rights.
- Hellcat is daft. hellcat is manifesting the evil in him, he wants to see bloodshed and death of Singaporeans. Evil begets evil, hellcat. Hellcat, you are as evil as the one you support.
Save your effort, the citizens are not threatened by your presence here to feel afraid to cast their votes to the oppositions. This is not hell nor PAP palace, you don’t belong here, EVil Hellcat.
Hellcat is daft as daft as pap.
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One thing for sure. They know the percentage of Blocks supported PAP or Opps.
If you drill into poll center, it is already drill down to Block level. I am from previous Eunos GRC, then changed to Pasir-Pungol now Tampines (I lived in Tampines). We waited almost 20 years to get our block upgrade and we are the last batch in Tampines.
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the gov has repeated several times: your vote is secret. that is the most the gov can do. what else you expect the gov to do if people refused to believe it?
having said that, it is not fair to blame voters for over suspicious. with technology so advance today, nobody can guarantee whether your votes or my vote is 100% secret. there is a serial number behind your voting slip, this number is recorded on a separate sheet of paper with details of your name, address and ic number.
i can understand when people (those who have really seen the world) expressed suspicions whether the gov has a way to find out who did you vote. of course i believe the gov will not try to find out who i voted – but ……. there is this ‘but’ hanging in my mind and i can never know the truth. sometimes it is interesting to hear people complaining why their children worked so hard in civil service but they were never promoted, or why they applied hdb flats for so many years but never got their desired flats until the price had gone sky high. why? why? why? i don’t know the answer. could it because the gov know which party they voted in the last 3 elections? honestly, i don’t think so. but i’m not God, i’m not a pap minister, i don’t know how the gov operate. may be they really checked who you voted, or may be they dont check.
my friend likes opposition party but to play safe, she always vote pap, so i never know whether it is coincident that whatever she requested from her mp, she always got them. her children got into good primary schools, her career is always smooth with frequent promotions, her husband got great job and good bonuses. how do we explain that? i dont know for sure.
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Look, it has been impressed upon voters a thousand times before. Try convincing them about the serial numbers again still a good proportion will still believe that voting is not secret.
The only way for the ill-informed to really know is to get involved in the electoral process. By stepping forward and becoming polling agents, counting agents, etc especially for the opposition candidates, they will come to know how transparent it is.
However, the bane for opposition parties is, only a small minority will turn up on polling day to take up their positions because for fear of the unknown as one’s personal particulars would have to be divulged to the GE Dept.
Then, there are also many lost ones like ‘Go On Sleeping’ who are in the Twilight Zone wondering “why aren’t the opposition contesting more seats”. ‘Go On My Dear’ you want to step forward to increase the toll of opposition candidates to eliminate the walkovers and prevent the PAP from forming the govt on Nomination Day?
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Dear author, but can you please explain why there was a sudden “blackout” in Cheng San’s polling centre in 1997 when JBJ contested, and why there were 2 unmarked vans that drove in?
Can you explain the reasons for such an incident?
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VOTING IS NOT A SECRET!
Say what you want but voting will definitely not be a secret as long as there are serial numbers on the polling cards. Even if PAP had never scrutinized the votes before, there is no guarantee that they will not in future elections. We know LKY and his PAP too well now. They are unscrupulous bastards. PAP having full control would have no problem and have the means to peek at the votes if they want to. They would have no qualms to sink to any unethical level to peek at the votes casted.
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I will just like to share something which I have heard from a warrant officer. I was an ex regular fyi.
A Major officer was due for his promotion and went to attend an interview panel chaired by 3 Colonels (HAM, HAO cannot recall the other one)The first question he was asked the moment he sited down was, “Why did you vote for opposition during the previous election?”
He was being condemned and not sure if he was being promoted again.
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I am not sure if all our votes will be keep tracked but one thing for sure is that for those people holding higher position or which “they” deems as high potential they will definitely be tracked irregardless if you are in civil services or private sectors.
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Serial number or not, I have been doing my part to oust the incompetent ones. Came close to success last round. Fear Not! We Can Do It!
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@ yanom:
October 29, 2010 at 4:54 pm
I will just like to share something which I have heard from a warrant officer. I was an ex regular fyi.
A Major officer was due for his promotion and went to attend an interview panel chaired by 3 Colonels (HAM, HAO cannot recall the other one)The first question he was asked the moment he sited down was, “Why did you vote for opposition during the previous election?”
He was being condemned and not sure if he was being promoted again.
- Scare tactic! On behalf of your PAP you come here to use scare tactic. SAve your effort, won’t work.
From civil service and army I was told staff voted for oppositions were still treated as per normal. Still subject for promotion. A signed on staff from army voted for opposition and got promoted few months after election.
YOu effort is wasted!
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@ aynom:
October 29, 2010 at 5:00 pm
I am not sure if all our votes will be keep tracked but one thing for sure is that for those people holding higher position or which “they” deems as high potential they will definitely be tracked irregardless if you are in civil services or private sectors.
- Scare scare voters, old trick, try something new! Is not possible they track the private sector top guns.
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then get rid of the serial number, use water mark instead, and each GE will have a different water mark. these water mark will definitely very difficult to imitate. it will then cast away the idea that serial number can be trace. yes no?
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I always got my chance to vote. Twice I bet on the serial number, I strike 4D. win two Rolex watches cost sixty over thousand. Nothing happen to me. It bring me luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This coming GE, after I put the cross for opposition, I will hold up the ballot paper over my head to show the election people and passer-bys that I voted opposition. Kan ni nah.
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To all the voters who are scared of being discovered by PAP that you voted for opposition :
So what?
Are you that ball-less to stand up for your belief? How would you have the FACE to tell your children then you are so fearful you do not dare to vote for a party you want but instead for a party you hate?
Like the great William Wallace said. Fight and you may die. Run and you may live. But are you willing to trade all of this from this day to the end of your days for ONE CHANCE to tell PAP : you can screw with my lives but you can never screw with the lives of my children, EVER.
If every single one of us acted cowardly, then yes PAP will win, again. But if every single one act on our belief, then PAP will lose, and they cannot touch us.
Be a coward and you die a coward. Be brave and you will be part of the force that helps liberate our country from oppression and tyranny.
Vote with your courage.
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i will vote for any opposition members. So what the big deal with those highly educated elites, they treated the commoners as their slaves! Those so called elites not that smart too.
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I remember reading an article in a Msian media whereby Rosmah (Msian PM’s wife) outrightly “threatened” the Msian citizens(in particular, its civil servants) when she claimed that the Msian govt cld track down the voters particulars thru the serial number imprinted on the voting slips, if they really want to.
But guess what? The brave Msians didn’t give a damn, hence the Opposition won big time!
So Sporeans pls dont be a coward!!! If Msia Boleh, Spore Lagi Boleh!!!
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In 1997 GE Goh Chok Tong warned that he would have the votes counted by the precincts (a few blocks of flats) by which they can know how voters from each block voted. If residents from a particular precinct have largely voted for the oppositions, then that precinct will be marked, the residents dispersed via en block re-development (SERS). Two such blocks that sufferred this fate were blocks 454 and 455 at Ang Mo Kio Ave 10 under Cheng San GRC were demolished under the guise of SERS after the 1997 GE. The land where the 2 blocks once stood is left vacant till today. Two other relatively new blocks, Blk 78 and 79 at Lorong Limau off Balestier Road was also taken down.
Oppositions should object to counting of votes by the precinct as it gives a glimpse of how voters from each blocks voted.
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Yes, me too I voted opposition and bought 4d of serial number..strike 2nd price
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but I forgot..it only works if you vote opposition. Voted PAP before..nothing..kenna fine for parking only
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Eyth:
October 29, 2010 at 5:16 pm
@ yanom:
October 29, 2010 at 4:54 pm
I will just like to share something which I have heard from a warrant officer. I was an ex regular fyi.
A Major officer was due for his promotion and went to attend an interview panel chaired by 3 Colonels (HAM, HAO cannot recall the other one)The first question he was asked the moment he sited down was, “Why did you vote for opposition during the previous election?”
He was being condemned and not sure if he was being promoted again.
- Scare tactic! On behalf of your PAP you come here to use scare tactic. SAve your effort, won’t work.
From civil service and army I was told staff voted for oppositions were still treated as per normal. Still subject for promotion. A signed on staff from army voted for opposition and got promoted few months after election.
YOu effort is wasted!
I am not sure what is it that you are so against as I am just stating facts. Is sharing some facts which I knew of some old tricks or my effort is wasted. Think about it. Why will “They” want to promote something high flyer to high ranking officers which they will have problem in getting them to mobilise when things do not turn out their ways. Even for those specialists who are being accessed to high security information will be closely monitored as well. SIB will be trailing them and checking up on their background and even go the the extend of checking up their family members before they are cleared to access top secret information.
For private sectors side, those high flyers who are being identified will be invited to join their pyramid clubs whereby those people will be identified as future leaders. Those people will be closely monitored as well to make sure they will embrace pay and pay religion.
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anyom@
save your breath. I will vote them out even my promotion is at risk. My CPF, my future, my children’s future are of greater concern than just this thingy promotion.
I don’t beleive those top shots have time to look through all the serial numbers. They have alot more important projects than just to waste their dilly dally time to look at the numbers. Either you heard wrong informations are you are simply doing this Scare tactics
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@ aynom:
October 29, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Eyth:
October 29, 2010 at 5:16 pm
@ yanom:
October 29, 2010 at 4:54 pm
I will just like to share something which I have heard from a warrant officer. I was an ex regular fyi.
A Major officer was due for his promotion and went to attend an interview panel chaired by 3 Colonels (HAM, HAO cannot recall the other one)The first question he was asked the moment he sited down was, “Why did you vote for opposition during the previous election?”
He was being condemned and not sure if he was being promoted again.
- Scare tactic! On behalf of your PAP you come here to use scare tactic. SAve your effort, won’t work.
From civil service and army I was told staff voted for oppositions were still treated as per normal. Still subject for promotion. A signed on staff from army voted for opposition and got promoted few months after election.
YOu effort is wasted!
I am not sure what is it that you are so against as I am just stating facts. Is sharing some facts which I knew of some old tricks or my effort is wasted. Think about it. Why will “They” want to promote something high flyer to high ranking officers which they will have problem in getting them to mobilise when things do not turn out their ways. Even for those specialists who are being accessed to high security information will be closely monitored as well. SIB will be trailing them and checking up on their background and even go the the extend of checking up their family members before they are cleared to access top secret information.
For private sectors side, those high flyers who are being identified will be invited to join their pyramid clubs whereby those people will be identified as future leaders. Those people will be closely monitored as well to make sure they will embrace pay and pay religion.
- What is your motive to speak forth about this? To stop people from voing oppositions isn’t it?
People are desperate. When there is desperation anything will do to get out of the situation.
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@ bah:
October 29, 2010 at 10:03 pm
anyom@
save your breath. I will vote them out even my promotion is at risk. My CPF, my future, my children’s future are of greater concern than just this thingy promotion.
I don’t beleive those top shots have time to look through all the serial numbers. They have alot more important projects than just to waste their dilly dally time to look at the numbers. Either you heard wrong informations are you are simply doing this Scare tactics
- From the tone of it it is more of a scare tactic. Encouraging Singaporeans to let their fear control them not to vote the oppositions.
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If the serial numbers are to prevent counterfeit ballots, this raises two matters:
1) Someone must check the serial numbers against the voter list to ensure that a valid ballot was used, to ensure that a fake ballot with a fake/duplicate serial number was not used. Does someone check the serial numbers? If not, it’s pointless to have them.
2) If fraud is the issue, why not print ballots with a watermark or hologram? Obviously that would be a more effective way to ensure that a ballot is legitimate. With a serial number, you have to cross-reference it with the voter’s list, and if you’re doing that, the ballot is not secret!
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PAPies know typical sinkies are kiasu and kiasi. They play with our psychology by adding a serial number on the voting slip.
Call it a scare tactic and we should not be afraid.
If we are so easily defeated by a serial number, than shame on us.
Vote with your heart and conscience.
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Come on those who are so afraid to vote against the PAPies please remenber here is SINGAPORE and not BURMA.
VOTING IS SECRET and whichever party wins the coming election nothing will happen to you when you vote for the opposition.
Exercise your vote, VOTE FOR THE OPPOSITION and let our voices be heard.
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Even voting is not secret, each is entitled to his/her choice.
Voting for the opposition does not mean you are opposing the govt. It would be a check and balance you want to improve the system…..
PAP should find out why people are giving their votes to the opposition to improve……not create fear…..if they have a passion to service (not control)…….
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33% of voters were not afraid and did not vote for the pap in the last election. I was part of that group and am still around to post this today.
It’s no big deal voting against the pap. Do you really think they are that free to identify all those who voted against them? Why get so paranoid over it? I say just do it when polling day comes!
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Secret or not. i don’t give a damn. The opposition just need to contest and I’ll vote for them, regardless.
It’s time we give PAP a bitch slap.
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Congratulations to the intelligent electorate for so many good years. More good years!
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All of us reading and writing here will most probably vote opposition. But we’ve got to do our best to forward this article and talk to all our civil servant friends and family members who are afraid to vote opposition. Trust me there are lots of them!!
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@yanom: October 29, 2010 at 11:18 am
“I can tell you honestly that the voters will be tracked especially those people who are holding high position in the civil service. I was an ex-regular fyi.
I was being told during my regular time by a warrant officer of how a Major officer was being black-marked. He was due for promotion for Lieutenant Colonel position. He went for the interview panel chaired by 3 Colonels from HAO HAM etc. The first question he was being queried on was why did he vote for opposition during the election. Well end of story is that he did not get his promotion and condemned for his career.”
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Have you heard of the story that was told that a “dog had raped a cat” ?
The story was retold through one hundred mouth – and when it was retold to the 101st person – the story became even more dramatic when the 102nd person was told that “the mouse raped an elephant” !!!
In the first place – how did a Warrant Officer get to know what had transpired at a confidential interview for a SAF Major to be promoted ?
Warrant Officers are the best story tellers in the SAF – as they are considered the “backbone” of any SAF unit, what better way to impress an impressionable mind by inflating his own hot air balloon with hot gas !!!
Can the Warrant Officer be part of the panel chaired by 3 Colonels at a supposed promotion interview of a Senior SAF Officer who is supposedly a Major to be promoted to Lt.Colonel ?
At best, the Warrant Officer is no more then the ‘runner’ shuttling papers for the Colonels in the room – and with the promotion interview being a sensitve and confidential process, NOTHING is said when other junior rank are in the same room and is NOT part of the interview panel.
Tell this to your grand children who maybe more impressed with your fairy tales.
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@ Lee Er San:
October 29, 2010 at 4:01 pm
“the gov has repeated several times: your vote is secret. that is the most the gov can do. what else you expect the gov to do if people refused to believe it?
my friend likes opposition party but to play safe, she always vote pap, so i never know whether it is coincident that whatever she requested from her mp, she always got them. her children got into good primary schools, her career is always smooth with frequent promotions, her husband got great job and good bonuses. how do we explain that? i dont know for sure.”
Your friend is a prostitute? She open legs like the Pro Alien Party? You also one of them? Wahhahahahahah
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Eyth:
October 29, 2010 at 11:41 pm
@ aynom:
October 29, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Eyth:
October 29, 2010 at 5:16 pm
@ yanom:
October 29, 2010 at 4:54 pm
I will just like to share something which I have heard from a warrant officer. I was an ex regular fyi.
A Major officer was due for his promotion and went to attend an interview panel chaired by 3 Colonels (HAM, HAO cannot recall the other one)The first question he was asked the moment he sited down was, “Why did you vote for opposition during the previous election?”
He was being condemned and not sure if he was being promoted again.
- Scare tactic! On behalf of your PAP you come here to use scare tactic. SAve your effort, won’t work.
From civil service and army I was told staff voted for oppositions were still treated as per normal. Still subject for promotion. A signed on staff from army voted for opposition and got promoted few months after election.
YOu effort is wasted!
I am not sure what is it that you are so against as I am just stating facts. Is sharing some facts which I knew of some old tricks or my effort is wasted. Think about it. Why will “They” want to promote something high flyer to high ranking officers which they will have problem in getting them to mobilise when things do not turn out their ways. Even for those specialists who are being accessed to high security information will be closely monitored as well. SIB will be trailing them and checking up on their background and even go the the extend of checking up their family members before they are cleared to access top secret information.
For private sectors side, those high flyers who are being identified will be invited to join their pyramid clubs whereby those people will be identified as future leaders. Those people will be closely monitored as well to make sure they will embrace pay and pay religion.
- What is your motive to speak forth about this? To stop people from voing oppositions isn’t it?
People are desperate. When there is desperation anything will do to get out of the situation.
@ Eyth
Why are you putting words into my mouth without even clarifying my intention? Arent you quite an extremist minded into jumping into conclusion?
My intention of sharing the facts that I know is to let everyone knows that the votes will not be kept secret and “they” will know who are the people who voted against them period. Hence the author of this article is sharing is wrong.
Your thinking of me trying to get people not to vote for opposition is your own perception of jumping the gun as I have been voting for opposition as well. However rest of people need to know that their votes will never be a secret that the point I am trying to bring out. There is no democracy in the election and there will be a price to pay for those people in the civil service sector which they must be prepared if they are going to vote against them.
Do you think they will allow someone who have been voting against them to be involved in the election committee counting the votes and showed how the votes are being cheated so that they will carry on winning and then allowed the info to be leaked out to public.
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Eyth:
October 29, 2010 at 11:41 pm
@ aynom:
October 29, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Eyth:
October 29, 2010 at 5:16 pm
@ yanom:
October 29, 2010 at 4:54 pm
I will just like to share something which I have heard from a warrant officer. I was an ex regular fyi.
A Major officer was due for his promotion and went to attend an interview panel chaired by 3 Colonels (HAM, HAO cannot recall the other one)The first question he was asked the moment he sited down was, “Why did you vote for opposition during the previous election?”
He was being condemned and not sure if he was being promoted again.
- Scare tactic! On behalf of your PAP you come here to use scare tactic. SAve your effort, won’t work.
From civil service and army I was told staff voted for oppositions were still treated as per normal. Still subject for promotion. A signed on staff from army voted for opposition and got promoted few months after election.
YOu effort is wasted!
I am not sure what is it that you are so against as I am just stating facts. Is sharing some facts which I knew of some old tricks or my effort is wasted. Think about it. Why will “They” want to promote something high flyer to high ranking officers which they will have problem in getting them to mobilise when things do not turn out their ways. Even for those specialists who are being accessed to high security information will be closely monitored as well. SIB will be trailing them and checking up on their background and even go the the extend of checking up their family members before they are cleared to access top secret information.
For private sectors side, those high flyers who are being identified will be invited to join their pyramid clubs whereby those people will be identified as future leaders. Those people will be closely monitored as well to make sure they will embrace pay and pay religion.
- What is your motive to speak forth about this? To stop people from voting oppositions isn’t it?
People are desperate. When there is desperation anything will do to get out of the situation.
@Eyth
Why are you keeping into conclusion and putting words into my mouth? If sharing facts to people around here mean that I am trying to stop people from voting opposition then all authors here will be for doing that to you. My intention is just to share to people of the facts which I know and that there is no democracy in election over here. Its the same as Burmese if not worst as they are way richer and more recognised and legalised. Aung San Suu Kyi was at least being house prison while so many of our heroes were being detained by ISD and other countries do not know much about them. One even break the record of being detailed longer then Mandela.
I have been voting for opposition and want to let people know is that there will be a price to pay for doing that especially if you are in the civil service sector. Do you think they will allow someone who vote against them to be the next head or superintendent?
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So, no one has an answer to my question: Can you please explain why there was a sudden last-minute “blackout” in Cheng San’s polling centre in 1997 when JBJ contested, and why there were 2 unmarked vans that drove in (and after which JBJ lost)?
Can you explain the reasons for such an incident?
Where were all the “civil servants who would surely make a big fuss about it” when that clearly happened to JBJ?? Where were all these people you mentioned?
Please, I know you’re trying to encourage people to vote opposition but don’t spin fairy tales. With just a little pressure from the top, ANY civil servant will keep his mouth shut. I have loads of civil servant friends and they cover up for the Government ALL THE TIME.
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To yanom:
Sorry that those guys in the army have no balls and have shrinking cock because of some serial number; they don’t really deserve to be promoted anyway because they are cowards.
We’ve worked in government institutions voted opposition and been promoted.
IT IS A LIE FROM THE PAP RUNNING DOGS TO SAY VOTING IS NOT SECRET.
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I don’t give damn about the serial number even if they put my name on it I still vote against PAP.
All this rumors is spread by pro-PAP supporters and gullible Sinkies fall for their traps. I once heard from an uncle in the coffee shop that HDB official had told one applicant he did not vote for PAP so he cannot get the flat. And guess what after doing some investigation this uncle is a RC member. Of course I told that uncle he can be charged under Secret Official Act as Voting is SECRET.
Theoretically the votes it can be traced but it need a lot of manpower to do so. When a lot of people is involved NOTHING can be kept SECRET for long.
SECRET stays SECRET when done by one person.
Vote with Conscience NOT with FEAR.
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TR@ has made a good point here in his statement but again what
about the dis-regarded votes,where would the votes end up and should
political parties hav the right to impose a re-count of votes?
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I have an insider story from an opposition memeber. The numbers at the back are actually your NRIC number. So now u know how easy they can track u down. Just flip open the ballot box at the end of GE, Kapoo!!!
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@Lan Jiao: just wonder you have the keys to the vault in high court or you have a viet cong tunnel there where all paper votes are kept after GE? FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) don’t work well in this era of educated mass
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Who care to let them know whether we vote for alternative parties, even at the back have PAP logo with your face and NRIC number. War on authoritative govt will continue till they lost power.
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To those who fear PAP will ‘fix’ them after tracing them through the serial numbers:
Look, if they REALLY will trace you (actually they will be too busy tracing ways and means to fatten themselves) and they penalise you, ask yourself, what is the worst that can happen to you?
Point #1:
At most, you and your family members dont get promoted, right? Do you think they are going to arrest you and throw you into jail? They simply cant do that. You have to commit a crime before they can do that. Voting is NOT a crime. Even voting for the oppo is NOT a crime.
Point #2:
Okay, lets say they do trace you and they do penalise you and your family members by not giving you promotions. Is that really so bad? You are not in jail, mah! And look at all those ppl in Potong Pasir and Hougang. You mean to say all those ppl and their families all never got promoted? Cannot be. If you think this is so, please show proof. In fact, PAP knows that if they withhold promotions from residents of oppo wards, these residents may continue to vote against them. So govt have to continue promoting these ppl as per normal, hoping that these ppl will vote PAP next time.
Point #3:
Lets say they can do that – withhold promotions for you and your family if you vote for oppo. All you have to do is wait 4-5 years, and then you can go back to voting for your dearly beloved PAP. And you and your family should get all your due promotions. Right? Nothing will ‘happen’ to you, only wait a few years, thats all. This is not long compared to waiting 5-10 years or even longer for an affordable HDB flat.
Point #4:
If there are not enough oppo MPs in parliament, we ordinary true-blue Singaporeans will have more and more burdens imposed on us by PAP. Remember that we have to do NS and new citizens dont have to. Remember that we are now being elbowed out of our jobs AND affordable homes by the new citizens AND the PRs too.
If there are more oppo MPs in parliament, their voice will be louder. They can question govt policies. And because of more oppo MPs in parliament, maybe then the govt will not impose such harsh policies as we have been getting last several years. So, EVEN IF you and your family do not get your promotions, at least there may be other areas which may ease up, such as getting jobs or buying affordable homes or less foreigners coming in.
Point #5:
What the PAP may try to do and have done before is to impose a carrot-and-stick action to get your vote. E.g. withholding upgrading exercises from oppo wards. This is wrong. Think about it. Why should public services, which is for ALL citizens (we ALL pay our taxes and dues, right?), be dependent on voting for PAP? This is very unfair. But if this is what you fear, again, you only have to ’suffer’ the lack of upgrading for 4-5 years. Come the following election, you can vote back PAP and you will get your upgrading.
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@rayloh: just wonder what is your intention? If you are in the educated mass, do you need to tell us? What are you doing in this forum in the first place? Everyone knows they write your NRIC behind the ballot slips and the boxes are send to secret location to check who vote for who.
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Goh, what is the secret location? PAP HQ? Army camps? Offshore Islands? Now I know why they are reclaiming islands.
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@GH
You have brought up a very valid point. And THIS is my real worry, not the serial numbers.
The people counting the ballot slips are appointed by the Prime Minister’s Office. There are NO independent teams or observers whatsoever.
Put yourself in their (PAP’s) shoes. You are the ruling party. You must win at all costs to protect your interests (such as, your highest-in-the-world salary and other vested interests). You are nervous about opposition taking away seats and electoral percentages from you. You start a GRC system so that you disadvantage the oppo and get walkover wins. You make a law saying that bankrupt ppl cannot stand for election. You then sue the ‘dangerous’ oppo leaders to bankruptcy to shut them out of the elections. And, best of all, you appoint your own people to do the counting of the ballot slips, WITHOUT any independent or neutral teams/persons present to observe the counting.
What is the real motive for this last item?
If you had gone to all that trouble and bother to firmly secure your position as the ruling party, what would you do if, lets say, an Election Committee team, or a few or several teams, counted more than 50% votes for oppo? Dont forget there are NO independent or neutral observers present. What would you do?
I still say that what works FOR the PAP and AGAINST the oppo is that the ballot is secret. This secrecy enables the situation described above, where NO ONE knows the actual and true number of votes for and against the PAP in any and all constituencies, EXCEPT for the PMO’s EC teams ONLY.
I do not believe the electoral/voting statistics for any election, especially for the last election, because they are provided by the govt, which is the same thing as the ruling party.
If the ballot is NOT secret, or if there was some way for each voter to openly indicate his/her support for a candidate, ON voting day itself, then we can somewhat independently gauge roughly how the people voted. And we will have some idea of what the percentages really are for PAP and oppo votes, without having to have indepebdent observers present during the counting, which is unlikely to happen anyway.
This will not penetrate the brick wall of the secret ballot, of course. The ballot and the the counting will most likely still be kept secret. Secret ballot is a bad thing, in my opinion.
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I don’t care if they check the serial number or not cause based on current policies it’s not better off. Should they ever condemn my rice bowl, it just show that they don’t practise fairness. My vote must go to the opposition parties even more.
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I will VOTE for an opposition guy any day, even if he is just a taxi driver!
At least he knows about how hard life is on the ground instead of some rich overpaid PAP kid who does not!
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I’ve had the opportunity to vote twice so far. Both DID NOT go to the PAP. Nothing discriminating has happened to me so far (touch wood). So for the coming election, I urge all Native Singaporeans not to be afraid as this time round, there’s going to be many people voting for opposition and the incumbent will not have enough resources to “fix” even if they can or want to. We are a bunch of sticks, not to be broken easily.
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Personally, I do believe our votes are a secret.
While we do know there are checks and balances in place, frankly there is one thing that deters me from accepting the fact that our vote is a secret – I DO NOT TRUST THE PAP
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By 2013 NO withdrawal of CPF allow at age 55.
If you agree to the above you can carry on VOTING PAP.
For me I help those who don’t agree with the above to vote for any Opposition as I understand even partial withdrawal is a much needed help.
It will be best if we have a new Government.
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Voting is secret – no way the PAPies dares to do anything fishy here, without bring found out. Once found, news can spread very very quickly over the internet, to the whole world. PAPies will loose her standing in the whole wide world.
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Bull shit!
I voted for few times and notice that the vote is like a cheque book, when they issue the vote to me their in put my nric to tail portion where they keep both serial number and my nric number together.
If you keep record on your cheque, will you not knowing who it was draft to?
I do notice the size and shape of the zone is never be the same. that may be after reviewing the votes and re-size it to keep it with in 65% and move some opposition’s votes to the zone that simply walk over
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Yes, we all aren’t worried about voting opposition, but this question is not targeted at you, but at a lot of ordinary Singaporeans who still somehow belief if they voted the opposition, life would suddenly become very very difficult for them.
Just go and do a sample questioning of ordinary Ah So, Ah Pek on the streets and say vote opposition, you’ll find a healthy number still believing they cannot do so, for their ‘own good’.
In every election, every vote counts, so the opposition must go forward and try to get every possible vote as they can, especially those people who want to vote for them, but somehow are mistaken in the belief that they shouldn’t.
About a month ago, I was at a Comfort Cashiers desk and I overheard 1 cashier telling the other that she must vote for the PAP. Why? Because she was working in government related body and the govt would check and see if everyone employed by the govt voted accordingly.
Yes, it was so dumb, but unfortunately this is the kind of thing that does happen, and ends up costing the opposition another possible vote.
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If voting is legal, and it is our rights, do not fear.
Whatever they are labelled, my vote goes to Opposition to represent my voice.
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Voting is not a secret, Singaporeans want more opposition to be elected is a well known secret for many years. I used to vote for a opposition who did nothing but only smile at us every five years and still able to get more than 35% of the votes. you should vote for one who can do you more than that
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