Massive outcry over Thaipusam’s noise curbs
January 13th, 2011 | 
Author: Guidelines made public last Friday that restrict devotees to singing – no music or drums to be played – have drawn varied reactions.
The Hindu Endowments Board (HEB), which announced the guidelines, said it has received a “handful” of queries from devotees seeking clarification.
A Facebook page, Bring The Thaipusam Beat Back, was set up by a devotee on Monday – and more than 40 people had pledged support.
Prominent socio-political blog Temasek Review saw hundreds of comments within days condeming the new guidelines.
Prominent lawyer Mr Ravi has also filed a Summons against the AGC and HEB claiming that the rights of minorities have been violated with this new guidelines. He will be holding a press conference at 11am in his office tomorrow.
Thaipusam is an annual occasion where Hindus give thanks to Lord Murugan for his blessings. Devotees carry milk pots or kavadis – metal or wooden structures fixed to the body – to express devotion to the deity.
Census figures indicate that Hindus make up about 5 per cent of the overall resident population – or about 250,000 people.
The 4km event, which can take as long as five hours, starts from Sri Srinivasa Perumal Temple in Serangoon Road and ends at Sri Thendayuthapani Temple in Tank Road.
The rules, which the HEB said mirrored police guidelines with regard to public order, appeared to bear stricter control over common practices during the procession. One was the barring of music and playing of instruments. Now, only religious hymns may be sung. Other rules include no wearing of make-up on the faces of devotees and allowing only small objects to be hung from their bodies.
The HEB said these guidelines were set by the police and were not new, even if it was the first time they were compiled and made public.
HEB chairman S. Rajendran said the move was calculated to reduce noise and unruly behaviour, both of which have been on the rise. Twenty years ago, the walk was attended by about 10,000 people – including both participants and spectators. Last year, that figure was 50,000, he said.
‘To conduct the procession, we close roads, we re-direct traffic – both of which are an inconvenience to others. We are fortunate to be given this privilege to hold a procession; we must do what we can to ensure it is conducted in an orderly manner,’ he said.
Other heads of Hindu temples said the guidelines had become necessary. Mr Narainasamy Ellatan, chairman of Holy Tree Sri Balasubramaniar Temple, said he had noticed more people dressing inappropriately and playing non-religious music in recent years.
Mr Rajendran said those in breach of the rules will be counselled by volunteers, and action will be taken only if they remain uncooperative.
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Zhen Yan
Posted in Editorial
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What is the background of these people? Are they in the best position to decide on the ruling changes?
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Hindu Endowment Board
Board Members
Chairman S RAJENDRAN
13 Almond Street Singapore 677155 [email protected]
Vice-Chairman M M PARAMANTHAM
2 Taman Permata Singapore 575126 [email protected]
Finance Member K SHEKARAN
Blk 232 Compassvale Walk #03-466 Singapore 540232 [email protected]
Member MOHAN DAS NAIDU
34 Lengkong Tiga Singapore 417443 [email protected]
Member S RAMANATHAN
27 Lentor Vale Singapore 788868 [email protected]
Member P KALIMUTHU
78 Cowdray Ave Singapore 558079 [email protected]
Member R JAYACHANDRAN
32 Nassim Hill #02-34 Nassim Mansion Singapore 258472 [email protected]
Member S RAMESH
BLK 260 Bishan St 22 #04-295 Singapore 570260 [email protected]
Member K RAJANDEERAN
Blk 95 Havelock Road #09-583 Singapore 160095 [email protected]
Member KIRPA RAM SHARMA
85 Branksome Road Singapore 439610 [email protected]
Member Ms RAJAMANICKAM K VEMALA
141 Ceylong Road Singapore 429704 [email protected]
Member A ARASAPAM
36 Sturdee Road #25-13 Kerrisdale Singapore 207855 [email protected]
Member T CHANDROO
28A Mimosa Road Singapore 808028 [email protected]
Member V RAMALINGAM
121 Namely Avenue Singapore 267690 [email protected]
Member S SATISH APPOO
1E Shelford Road #01-31 Singapore 286890 [email protected]
Secretary P AVADIAR
Blk 134 Bishan Street 12 #02-171 Singapore 570134 [email protected]
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Lawyer Ravi for President. Nathan F.O.
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Wuahh..mostly stay in landed properties ahh..Chiak lui bo???
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What these ??? I thought Thaipusam is as usual one, still guidelines…I hope this will not happen to Christmas, New Year, Chinese New Year, HariRaya, Deepavali, Easter, etc…
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LOOKS LIKE MORE VOTES WILL BE LOST.
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I think Lion Dance for this coming CNY will have to dance without the drums, gong and chiang. It will look like Charlie Chaplin doing “lion dance”! Ha Ha? .. Cannot leh, what about Ching Gay, Malay wedding, Chinese funeral rites …
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It doesnt matter who the background of the HEB members. Whats more important is that they were appointed by the Government.
“In 1985, the Hindu Advisory Board (HAB) was established to advise the Government and HEB on matters of Hindu religion and customs. Both the Hindu Endowments Board and the Hindu Advisory Board are headed by Chairpersons appointed by the Minister for Community Development Youth and Sports. There are presently 16 members in HEB and 12 members in HAB.”
http://www.heb.gov.sg/aboutus.html
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There were some restrictions few years ago. Many felt is was reasonablethen to prevent rowdiness. Now, even more restrictions !!Finally, in time to come – Thaipusam will be banned in uniquely Singapore. The efficiency to crowd control should be look into and enhanced instead of imposing unreasonable restrictions special for this event. Will Indian musical instruments be banned in the kavadi prosession? If it is, than it is a big joke HEB.
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Does anyone know if this S Rajendran is a Singaporean or a PR?
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@Kojak,
Singaporean. You can’t be a chairman of HEB unless you’re Singaporean, from what I know.
Btw, a lot of people come to TR and like to stir s*&$ by pretending to be PR or a minority race to sow more discord.
I wonder why. Are they that desperate for Singaporeans to be fighting so their PAP masters continue to pretend to be saviours?
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@puchertau:
>> Wuahh..mostly stay in landed properties ahh..Chiak lui bo???
I’ve been doing some searching. Can’t tell if those board members are Singaporeans or foreigners.
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@wayanghost:
>> It doesnt matter who the background of the HEB members
It matters in a sense that if some of these guys are really Hindi Indian FTs, there could be a far sinister reason behind the change in rulings. In India, Thaipusam is officially banned by the New Delhi Govt. Thaipusam originated from Tamil Nadu. It is a festival closely associated with the Tamils and apparently, the Northern Indians don’t like it.
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Who is the idiot to ban the religious songs, drums and dance of the Hindu festival, the Thaipusam. Ask these fuckers, the AGC and HEB whether they know much about the Thaipusam which has been thousand of years around? Those Hindu devotees who are very closed their god or gods are their life and aspiration. Why are these idiots of the AGC and HEB never give face to them? I still cannot understand the logics behind this as there are Policemen who are paid by taxpayers’money to take care of it.
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They will eventually strangle everything to death. Every public event held will have to be made so sterile it would better off organising it in a hospital operating theatre or in a morgue.
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@Hades,
>> Singaporean. You can’t be a chairman of HEB unless you’re Singaporean, from what I know.
Ok, what about the rest of the board members? All Singaporeans? In any case, I also disagree with HEB rulings. If we start to go down this path, what about festivals of other races? Lion dance in CNY without the drums and gongs? Malay weddings without the gongs?
I mean we have all been living here for the last many decades. Anyone really complains against Thaipusam about the noise? Singaporeans in general know that we are living in a multi-cultural society and learn to give and take. Why suddenly all these rulings to clamp down now?
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so burning incense paper, with ashes blowing all over, fire hazard etc…is ok?
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Thaipusam festival has been us, the pure Singaporeans for many years since I was young, and we are part of it regardless of the races, religious and creeds. This is not the first time that our hindu devotees are enjoying their drums, songs,music and dance as it has been with us for many years.
after having through the postings, I also suspend that the heads of the AGC and HEB are not our native Singaporeans. What is going on now in Singapore as everything is already in the mess?
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What about F1? Will there be similar restrictions too next year if the reasons cited were to make any sense?
It is even louder, or should I say deafening!
It draws in around 50k spectators too!
The participants, ie the drivers wear mask, no diff from makeup and painting on faces banned now in Thaipusam!
Roads are closed and traffic diverted too, and even longer and on a more massive scale!
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The significance of this law suit is not the outcome which is so very very predictable.
By putting the case before the court, the whole process of formulating the lies and wayangs will be open to public scrutiny and it would be very interesting to note the twists and turns cooked by the PAP just to justify their “expected verdict”.
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@Kojak
Surname should reveal their religion and practices
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I am not an Indian or Hindu and have no issues with Thaipusam and the festivities. As a young boy, I lived along the route and actually enjoyed watching the procession. I admire their devotion. I have also wondered why this has been watered down over the years? The argument for loudness and closure of roads is weak at best. Even if you say there are rowdy people, why cant the Police do some work for a change? So let the people who complain identify themselves. Or is this just a smoke screen? Some commentators are right- do we ban other religious festivities? F1 event is over 4 days and serves lots of alcohol. Don’t tell me there were no drunks! Loud music and crowds ? Worst of all there are many who are supporters of different teams. Police not afraid they might clash if one of e rival cars cause their rival cars out of e race? Ridiculous? Well it can happen! So why don’t you ban everything then!
The NDP closure for weeks and weeks is more disruptive then a day for such a religious procession.
Why dont’t the Hindus ask their Indian MPs who they represent in all the GRCs? Isn’t that the reason touted by the PAP for coming out wi the idea of minority representation?
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Any Hindu MPs in Parliament?
Oh! the word “NO” is not in their vocabulary…they are all Yes men.
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Can’t you daft Singaporeans see thru’ the PAPs’ ploy. They have already replaced native Chinese Singaporeans who are mostly from the south China with northern Chinese. Now, they are also replacing native Indian Singaporeans who are mostly from the south India with northern Indian. Thaipusam is celebrated by mostly southern Tamil.
Didn’t you know that our old fart always look up to the north like USA, UK, Japan and now China.
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For god sake don’t simplify this issue.
Why don’t you ask an enlightened Indian friend to explain to you.
While the local Tamil community really appreciates local Chinese and Malay support in this regard don’t let your over zealousness get the better of you.
If you really must know,the local educated conservative Tamil community had been long against Thaipusam turning into a carnival for tourist attraction.
If you bring the Tamilnadu vs N.Indian crap; you should understand the that though the Tamilnadu was the 1st state that wanted separation from the Union of India ,when China invaded India in 1962 the entire Tamils dropped the idea and stood as one united people.Such is their nationalism.Besides,the current government in Delhi,the Congress Party will fall without the political support of Tamilnadu MPs.Such is the political situation in India.
Sure,the Dravidian vs Aryan divide exists in India.But not the way you portray.
What is happening is Thaipusam in Singapore had evolved uniquely in Singapore like that in Malaysia.So don’t bring casteism or Indian politics into the picture.If you did PAP will eat you alive.
What than is the real problem?
The problem is PAP style of governance that had lost touch with it’s citizens.Even during LKY premiership he feels the pulse of the people concerned before implementing any new policy.These days everybody whis somebody in the PAP is sitting in the ivory towers and wants to please their PAP masters.That is the problem.
Of course PAP will simply wash it’s hands and claim this is a matter between Hindus and HEB.But HEB wags it tails only for PAP.
Perhaps,PAP wants to do away with Thaipusam because PAP does not want any gathering even if it’s 4 in numbers.So what Ravi is doing is the right way to go.
Let the HEB answer and see how PAP responds to people’s anger on this issue.
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for a country that tries to sell its multi-cultural makeup and festivals to attract visitors, the new “guidelines” are odd. the reasons given for them are stranger.
but most of all, for a country that preaches religious tolerance, the new guidelines show an astonishing intolerance and make a mockery of the call for religious and cultural tolerance.
if one follows the reasoning and thinking for these new rules, chingay, zouk out and other public parties and celebrations need some drastic controls applied. i, for one, heartily dislike the inconvenience caused by the F1, as well as the noise. let’s stop all of it!
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hell, even if there are 1m hindus, the procession must still go on as normal. How can you suppress culture with rules?
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If there is a reason for noise curbs, then ban national day parade, its really noisy. And the F-16 show should be banned too. Also the rehearsals are really deafening.
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Stupid ruling by some petty overzealous Civil servants. I would hve thought that their much touted “representative of the people in parliament” should know better. Obviously they don’t.
Soon they will be banning Church and temple bells, Lion and dragon dance drums, burning of incense, getai, etc. etc except for those ocassion to welcome Ministers and their minions.
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oo la
tarn poh nia nia
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What the fuck is going on?
Why can’t my Indian friends celebrate their thaipusam the way it was intended to be?
If tats the case, might as well banned lion dance, and other loud display of celebrations..
What the fuck is the govt thinking?
Why are they taking away all these things that the locals are accustomed to? Must we please the FTs to the point of us losing our identity? The reasons are weak la… Fuxking lame…. For fucks sake, it’s only 5 hours A YEAR! Arghhhhhhh!!!!!!!
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…..finally state funeral no gun carriage only pram.
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Ravi may know try asking him.
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They are out to squeeze and tighten up everything and
everybody. Eventually all events, political, religious,
cultural, social and everything else, will have to be
held in Hong Lim Park!
Welcome to our one dimensional world – SUNKENPORE!!!
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They should ban all the air force flights over Seng Kang and Punggol.
They REALLY are a nuisance. Come to think of it, flights in and out of Changi too!!!
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I am checking if this fellow is a newly minted FT come citizen.
No Singaporean born indian will say that they are fortunate to be allowed.
Its ridiculous, it is stated in the constituition for minority rights and most Singaporean will know this, especially at his level.
Will be replying soon.
The cost is covered by the temples for the police. It is not free.
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it’s ok, only for the up-and-coming BIG FUNERAL FOR THE BIG ONE
so burning incense paper, with ashes blowing all over, fire hazard etc…is ok?
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Just wondering …..why are they working
so hard to lose votes?
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I like to thank all bros & sis of Singapore who are supporting us Indians on this issue.
A BIG THANK YOU.
Anyway, the Tank Road Murugan Temple is not under the purview of the HEB. It is run privately by a group of indians.
The HEB might be trying to kill off the temples main funding, which is through Thaipusam. Then eventually they can take control of this temple.
The HEB is as we all know are a bunch of PAP followers, who sued JBJ.
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Mr Nathan Mr Nathan where are you neh? Please say something neh..
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The Tank Road Murugan Temple is run by an Indian group and not under the purview of the HEB. Their funding is thru Thaipusam.
Perhaps HEB is trying to kill off their funding with funny rulings.
Then they can take control of the temple.
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@beetroot:
January 13, 2011 at 9:32 pm beetroot(Quote)
Here is the information.
S Rajendran. Judge from 1 Jan 1991 to 22 Oct 2003 .Mr Rajendran s/o Sinnathamby has, with effect from 28 April 2005, commenced practice as a sole-proprietor under the name and style of Messrs S Rajendran at the following address and contact numbers:
http://app.supremecourt.gov.sg/default.aspx?pgID=2621
*
http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/2008/01/qualified-immigrants-shun-singapore.html
1. PROFESSOR CHRISTOPHER LINGLE
Dr. Lingle is an economist & a Senior Fellow in the European Studies Program at NUS from Sept ‘93 to Nov ‘94. His visit ended abruptly after he wrote an article which appeared in the International Herald Tribune. In his article, he inferred that some regimes in Asia thwart criticism by relying on a compliant judiciary. Within two weeks, he was subjected to consistent police harassment & interrogation – prompting his resignation from NUS and his quick exit with only a carry bag and notebook computer. The Govt seized all his property and sentenced him to jail in absentia. In March ‘96, the High Court was asked to order Dr. Lingle to pay over $300,000 in damages for libel. In judgement, Justice S. Rajendran awarded $70,000 in libel damages against Dr. Lingle. This despite his article only suggesting measured criticisms of political repression in East Asia and did not even mention individuals or countries by name. Dr Lingle was found guilty of scandalizing the judiciary and for libel. Since leaving Spore, Dr. Lingle has subsequently written several articles & books on his Spore experience & its flawed political system.
//beetroot:
January 13, 2011 at 10:05 pm beetroot(Quote)
The Tank Road Murugan Temple is run by an Indian group and not under the purview of the HEB. Their funding is thru Thaipusam.//
Tank Road Murugan Temple comes under The Chettiar Trust.
Hope it helps.
Cheers !
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i m a chinese and i respect the hinduism culture and tradition and religion ritual to the fullest, living in a multi racial and culture country, it is vital for each and every individual culture and tradition to grow and make singapore a more vibrant country.
based on our national pledge, the restriction is clearly going against our national pledge. it so clearly now show that our pap government have gone way over board to disregard our pledge and nation anthem to build a democracy and multi racial society
what are they trying to prove? making singapore a racist country?
bloody ID10T
vote for change, vote out the pap
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Bro, don’t mention it. We Singaporeans should stand up for each other. Don’t expect PAP and FTs to stand up for us now…
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Non-HIndu and am very upset of such guidelines.
Remember those days when puppy teaches us about Racial Harmony? Now look who’s going out doing the things that they told us not to do?
Hint: They claim to be incorruptible government.
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Why? Why all these Nonsense ,idiotic Regulation these days ?
I am a Chinese. I hve lived in SG for over 50 yrs….I don’t see a Pblm with these noises ???…why “sowed” discord now ?..why “tighten” everything now again??…is it the “Elites” themselves are “getting worried”…worried that the “Pressure Cooker if, uncheck will “explode” soon?…Just ask themselves…who created all these Nonsense, where its beginning to be clear that ” Some are more equal than others”…Ya , jus like “Animal Farm,alrite !!! Shit you !
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Why “tightening” the rules now for Thaipusam procession?
Here’s a theory from forumer ANYMOS in 3in1kopitiam:
“Tank Road temple too near Oxley. Disturb the old man there when the gongs go off and he wake up thinking his wifey has returned to bring him along…”
LOL!
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People who don’t practise religious tolerance,
indeed may not even understand the term, have
been lecturing us on it for half a century.
Sinkapooreans have been suckered!
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hope heb dont ban biryani and roti prata because of too much fat
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He is busy making his roti-prata to roti-prada……
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It took half a century to inculcate in all of us since we entered primary one to respect and appreciate all the other religions and cultures as part of the process to forge a common identity. At this time when all of us have a common Singaporean identity, here comes this nonsense rule to undo all that was painstakingly built over 50 years.
Since young I have had always enjoyed and respected this unique Thaipusam celebration, and it gives me the feeling that Chinese New Year is around the corner.
This new ruling to please some FTs who are complaining ?
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…and don’t forget to stop the dragon dances and malay wedding drums and gongs too.
stop all the dins altotegether now.
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remember about someone’s comment about southern teochiu chinese being more political not so long ago? that includes dr. sun yat se, the modern china founder?
well, well, southern chinese and indians are definitely more likely to be political.
so well, why not?
let’s see how this election goes with all these “imports”.
the pap does not know themselves how these new singapore citizens will vote. or do they?
for yourself just get your friends from north, south, east west to vote for the OPPOSITION.
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The original Singapore is fast facing extinction!
Natives are being replaced by foreigners.
Authentic local hawker fares are now a gem find among the foods sold and passed off as local fares by foreigners.
Chinese Huo guo are now served instead of local steamboat.
Singlish is quickly losing to a new brand of English, a mixed breed of Chinglish, Indlish, Philiplish, Indonish, Burmlish and Thaiglish!
Our local culture and traditions may soon follow the fate of dinosaurs.
Now we will have a muted Thaipusam procession, and maybe soon also muted getai, and Malay wedding!
F1 racing noise will become the only legalised and familiar noise we will hear!
Our once famous Singapore brand-name for workers overseas is losing the shine and value, thanks to those new Singaporeans who spoiled our once clean and cultured image!
I want my original Singapore identity back!!!!!
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Farting also produce noise. Is PAP going to stop people from farting also?
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If someone plays musical instruments and religious music on that day, will the police pin them down straight away? If they do, will we then witness a riot like in the 60s or in neighbouring country?
Isn’t imposing this stupid restriction a greater threat to social order? Are the authorities trying to spark religious unrest themselves to show off their martial might?
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How come the Hindu MPs and Ministers so silence heh?
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JUST LOOK OUT ‘
YOU MAY WAKE UP AND FIND YOUR THOSAI, PAPDARM , NASI LEMAK AND YEW CHIA KUEY GONE TOO TOMORROW.
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There’s massive outcry and yet there’s no sound from the chief aneh. Oi nathan, kuthimavan, where are you?
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If the noise is curbed for Thaipusam,so should the noise created by chingay and the noise created during vesak day,National Day parade..and every other festival you see in Singapore.
Enough is enough.
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They Should SCRAP the Stand Chart marathon,because it is very dangerous, a few thousand people running all at the same time!!!
How scary is that!!
To conduct the procession, we close roads, we re-direct traffic – both of which are an inconvenience to others. We are fortunate to be given this privilege to hold a procession; we must do what we can to ensure it is conducted in an orderly manner,’ he said.
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the present government is helping to build a stronger case now to have themselves voted out in this coming election.
let’s help them fulfill their hopes and dreams, voting singaporeans.
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Devotees carry kavadis as a ‘burden’ for the vows they have made. The devotees are not stopped from perfoming that religious act.
Why mix song and dance. It is not a festival of fun and joy. It is to be a solem trip from one temple to another. The kavadi carrier are suppose to stay focus and seek for Lord Murugan to bring him safely to the final destination supernaturally.
Let God do what he always wanted to do.
Hymn are not banned or the clapping of the hands.
Don’t do it the mens way of helping one to fulfill their vows.
Please be in Gods grace to celebrate Pongal and the reap the harvest.
Don’t let matters like this to disturb your peace and happines.
All Singaporeans can join in the clapping in unison to show all parties the POWER OF GOD.
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Dear Singaporeans
This afternoon I discussed with PM Lee about Thaipusam issue and warned that it will result in lost of votes. But the cheebye son refused to heed my advice. He is confident the the voters will forget everything when they receive the goodies after budget.
I cannot go any further or else I will lose my million dollar salary. My sincere apologizes.
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Hey, we have to make sure our leaders funeral also ban the 21 GUN SALUTES and the BRASS BAND. Go to HELL without noise
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All go Batu cave or Penang lah! So much more colourful than Singapore!
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looks like internal having problem already .
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This person is a relative of S R Nathan:
Member Ms RAJAMANICKAM K VEMALA
141 Ceylong Road Singapore 429704
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Aiyo:
You can take the Ching out of Chingay but you can’t take the Gay out of Ching. LOL.
Lim Pei believe authorities FEAR caste clashes since now so many imported yaya papaya foreign Anehs from India will attend event to get “free” food !
PS: Have many local indian frens disclosed that even local hindu temples monks annoyed at these trashy foreign “devotees” grabbing free food in temples and NOT sharing their own food with local indians-some dun even bring food to share but always just eat from temples!!! Ah-ma…no good la dei !
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Formula 1 should be banned for noise, over crowding and traffic jams!
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Only 4 members of the HEB are from the heartlands, while the other 12 are living in ‘Ivory Towers’.
Is it any wonder that there is a disconnect with the thinking and spirit of those seen as ‘minions’ ?
Has the HEB now been swamped by NEW Citizens eager to introduce their “NEW” thinking into Singapore that is from their “OLD World” ?
If this is an attempt to change the ‘unique Singapore cultural traditions and practices’ – by some unthinking NEW Citizens – Singaporeans should expect worst consequences from the bankrupt ‘Foreign Talent’ policies of the “Pro Alien Party”.
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Bring in so many foreigner Indian , and procession fr 10000 increased to 50000 ppl last year now panic cannot control them , who’s fault?the Chinese saying u want to screw a prostitute and
and then keep worrying about STD. I know ppl in trance ,néed drums to keep the momemtum. U go tell karaoke to provide singing without music, no wonder ppl around the world is laughing at us , that u pay them so the highest salaries in the world and u allow this to happen .
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Soon our ns soldiers will be doing live firing without live rounds ,and going around shouting Bang Bang Bang!!!
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Looks like this is a well staged propaganda between the Govt and HEB. What is a Thaipusum festival without traditional drums, devotees chanting of ‘vey vey’ along the street, making the streets more vibrant with body paints?? Very soon, this festival will lost its true meaning and Hindus would flocked to Batu cave for their annual Thaipusum!
This is akin to banning of firecrackers in Singapore and have no choice but to played the elecrtonic version to simulate firecrackers during Chinese festivities!
Uniquely Singapore indeed!! The whole farking world is watching us and laughing at how stupid our Govt implement their policies!! I thought we should embrace and be tolerant to each other’s religion?
We, the native citizens of Singapore, pledge that we would vote the Opposition in to form a new government RATHER than to vote the PAP in to continue ‘FIXING’ us!!!!!
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the “MONEY GOD” of singapore,i.e. the PAP.
This god, spelt backwards, this dog, is challenging the indian gods mightiness.
it will at any cost to ban ganesh, letchemi, et. al. in time , for now on earth until saraswati and kali comes around.
be prepared for a “SHOW=DOWN”, INCLUDING THIS COMING ELECTION.
SO FOR NOW, vote for the opposition – to bring some respect and dignity back to the followers of thaipusam.
see, so easy.
JUST VOTE FOR RP, WP, SDP , NSP, PKMS AND ALL GOD-FEARING PARTIES.
just DO NOT VOTE FOR THE PAP.
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@First,of all as a singaporen Indian,I strongly disagree with u.I have come across many North Indian expat’s who had actualy expressed unhappiness,how is that they are unable to celebrate their festivals in such a grandiouse way and also most of the temple’s managed by tamils.
I AM NOT BRINING CASTE OF INDIAN POLITICS IN THIS PICTURE,The on-going ruling,could be result of their unhappiness.The Possibilty should not be ruled out.I am still unable understand the rational,why does the PAP,govt would want to interfere in the religious process,which had been going on without any problems,since we have independance (even before,we did have the celebrations)? I think,they wanted to please some community,who wanted to be INDENTITY THEMSELVES AS SINGAPORE INDIANS.If you disagree either you are FR trash or someone who live’s in your own ivory tower…The reality,many of FT indians look down on us,the local indians
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THIS PROF. LINGLE EPISODE IS FOLLOWED JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO BY ANOTHER QUITE SIMILAR LIBEL AGAINGST THE JUDICIARY COURT CASE OF A BRITISH JOURNALIST , UNLIKE LINGLE WHO WAS AMERICAN.
there is no end in sight until the pap itself is made history.
vote for the opposition quickly.
then sue all the pap people for treason or something and jail them.
the thai way of setting up commissions to investigate such matters is a solution come every change in govt.
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one day soon, kali and saraswathi will show them who is mightier.
come this election, show them the people of singapore can also be mighty and magnanimous when it comes to real racial harmony – something very singapore after 50 years of indoctrination by them and NOW SADLY sent to the gutters by them too.
in other words, they, the pap will use religionas a poltical too to win votes simply because they think the supporters of their money-god, the new citizens, holds the key to their winning the next election.
singaporeans,stand stand up now and vote RPWP< !
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“for whatsoever thou soweth, that shall thou reap”
THE BIBLE
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CHINESE HAVE A WORD FOR SUCH POWERLESS PEOPLE:
char tow ang kong”
“STATUES” – THAT GET THROWN BY THEIR MASTERS.
hence the silence.
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isn’t this ceylon road guy the astrologer whomt lky consulted each time when he wanted to travel overseas for fear of flying cock-ups?
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TR and TOC should be banned.
There is just too much “noise”.
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The restrictions are proper and constitutional. The rules that the HEB has come up with are legitimate, in order and scripturally-sanctioned. There is no violation of any human rights whatsoever. Lawyer Ravi and all those who subscribe to the view that it is against “freedom of worship” are not only misled but are also have less than fragmentary knowledge of the Hindu religion.
Unless they are Hindus—Hindus who practise the religion that is—they would not know the import and importance of the restrictions.
The Hindu Agamas and scriptures are abound with prohibitions against the rowdy and unseemly behaviour of the Tamil people during Thaipusam. Instead of taking issues with the HEB and the government, they should first read up their scriptures, about which the majority of people here in this forum have scanty information.
For those who do not agree with the decency preached in the Hindu shastras, they should disclaim their religion and convert to a religion (if there is any) that panders to their low and lowly tastes.
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Free food in temples for foreigners from India and China??
Hey, we are inviting them here to be beggers. Please go and see them in Little India and Chinatown and judge yourself.
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Yes it is true. One of the board members of HEB, MS RAJMANICKAM K VEMALA is the niece of SR Nathan. Vemala is the daughter of Singapore’s well-known Indian/Hindu astrologer the late Rajamanickam. The late astrologer is the brother-in-law of SR Nathan (Nathan’s elder sister’s husband). Nathan has planted his niece in HEB.
I thought only LKY practice nepotism. Singapore is a nation of corruption, nepotism and cronyism.
SINGAPOREANS WAKE UP, OPEN YOUR EYES AND KNOW HOW DIRTY PAP IS.
All Indians/Hindus give your votes to the Oppositions. So do all others of differrent race, language and religion.
IF WE STAND UNITED, PAP WILL FALL.
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Like that will they be banning Lion dances at Chingay this year as well?
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@author of this quote:
I feel that this comment is made in bad taste and way out of the line; putting the full name of a politician and attaching it to a malicious remark.
Commenters like Lee Kwan You, Lee H L, Wong Cant Sing, Mabok Tan, Lim Pei Say Swee Swee and Vivi Ballskhrisnan may spew sarcastic remarks, but they stop short of putting the full actual name.
Please do not say you just happen to have the same name as our Second Minister for Finance and Second Minister for Transport.
Or are you the real deal? We will be interested to hear more views from people who are actually in power.
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Orchard must stop christmas lighting and music and song because it is very disturbing, annoying and dangerous to drivers, tourists, shoppers and children hence very likely to cause accident.
Those want to celebrate can only celebrate in their respective area only.
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All Hindu need to gather to show your support to Thaipusam.
Do it now or never.
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S Rajendran is a former judge who was benefited from the Pig-And-Pigs farm. Who is he to represent the Hindu? He is not a Hindu expert, but a running dog of the ruling party?
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The Hindu Endowments Board and Minister K Shanmugam should be lauded for coming out with this comprehensive set of guidelines for the Thaipusam festival. It is long overdue.
Every year, the authorities plead with the spiked kavadi carriers to behave themselves, keep to the time of the permit- and they dont. The purposely flout the rules thinking they are the king of the four kilometre route from Serangoon Rd to TankRd. Now they deserve it.
if only had they behaved themselevs, respected the religion, celebrated and observed thaiupsam with the decorum and dignity which the festival derserved, all this would not have come by. Worse is the Pangu Uthiram festival held at the Holy Tree Balasubramainar temple in yishun, even bigger culprits of flaunting all rules of kavadi processions in Singapore. Anything that is disallowed in Thaipusam goes on at the Panguni Uthiram festival. Now is the time to read the riot act to the Chairman and the temple authorities of Holy Tree Balasubramaniar temple. It will be good to bring their consultant and advisor, none other than top criminal lawyer Subhas Anandan to the book.
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See this what you get when you have less than two third oppositions in parliament.
Here is another classic example of PAP autocratic decision with no referandum, no discussuions, no feedback from the people involved. Because they totally “own” all aspect of govt, the PAP feel that they do not have to explain or answer to anyone with their decisions. As if they actually own the country and we, the common people, are just but serfs to the land.
These PAP despots seems to just wake up every morning and try to out do among themselves in curbing citizens freedom and rights.
Is this really what you want from a person or party that you have voted in? Is this what you want from elected leaders to treat us citizens?
Wake the hell up!?!
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“Statistics lie:
January 13, 2011 at 11:29 pm Statistics lie(Quote)
It took half a century to inculcate in all of us since we entered primary one to respect and appreciate all the other religions and cultures as part of the process to forge a common identity. ”
Sori, I meant to establish a common identity instead of forge a common identity.
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Boycott thaipusam as a whole. Then we see how rules change.
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To ஜெயராமன் (Chinese Basher):
There was a border dispute btw China and India,NOT CHINA INVADED INDIA,you like to take every opportunity to bash China and Chinese,you have personal vendetta? or trying to sow discord? Buay tahan you!
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@Nepotism:
So what if President Nathan’s niece is in HEB? Do you have proof that she was planted there by President Nathan? Can’t she be there on her own merit? What about George Bush being the American President and his brother, Jeb Bush, being the Governor of Florida. Why don’t you also say that it was their father, former President George H W Bush planted them there?
Nepotism your head lah!
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@ PAP the Best!:
January 14, 2011 at 11:36 am PAP the Best!(Quote)
US is democratic. Can you say the same of PAP? Was not LHL planted as PM by his father?
You PAP arshole mole!
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You must be either blind or stupid for not seeing the level of Nepotism in PAPies.
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@Yamashita:
What an idiot! PM Lee was voted by his party members to be the secretary general of PAP. He was then voted in by AMK residents, endorsing his PMship. Are you saying that the party members and AMK residents are daft?
As you can see PM Lee is endorsed by the people. There is no nepotism. The only person who is daft is you. LOL!
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OMG. Truth really hurts for PAP the Best. Is it really painful? Oh my poor thing. Where is the pain? In your arse? Go apply some KY to soothe the pain.
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Seems that this discussion thread is starting to border on the loony fringe. We have true blue & religious Indian bros and sis commenting based on their understanding of their religion and religious festivals, which makes a whole lot of sense.
Then we have a whole lot of others who understand nothing at all chipping in their 2 cents’ worth for no other reason that to make noise and “poke fire”.
Seems that majority of the Indian contributors are in favour of a more religious and solemn ceremony; is this wrong of them? Do we want indeed to make a mockery of Thaipusam for our own ends as non-hindus? What if someone comes along and says that Good Friday should be celebrated as a Christian Mardi Gras? Would the Christians in turn accept this?
Let’s respect our Hindu bros and sis and let this be their forum on the above topic.
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What is your point ?That N.Indians are unhappy with local Tamils ?Oh,Yes! I certainly agree.Myself have over heard PR N.Indians hissing vulgarizes on Tamils many a time in Mustaffa shopping center because they mistook me for a N.Indian.
Even the statistics published in Tamil Murasu yesterday says a lot.That Indians who speak Tamil at home had seen more that 25% drop while the absolute numbers of Indians had increased by thousands and thousands.Which simply implies that local Tamils are being replaced by Hindi speaking N.Indians.
But looking at the HEB; who are they?They all are local Indians .So how would new arrivals who are N.Indians influence Thaipusam as a celebration?Unless HEB dance to PAP piping the music.
That is my point.
Behind all these the invisible hands of PAP is involved…
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There is also a Police Inspector in HEB. Stasitic will prove for their actions.
Thaipusam is not ‘Mardi Gras’ it is meant to be a religious ritual of thanks giving to an anwered prayers and this possesion should be done in reverence and honour to the lord Murugan.
It was the rowdies and gangsters who started to corrupt the possesions with noises, beating of drums, dustbins, tins or whatever they could make noise from.
‘JBJ’ or ‘Workers Party’ will also be shouted whenever election season conicides.
It will be also be unfair if the supporters starts shouting who to vote for.
Believe me, you do not know what can happen if there is no control over these rowdies, they will do it just to humor themselves. Anything ‘anti’ they will do it.
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Dear PAP the Best,
Of all you said I believe your key word is “proof”, as you said without proof, we should accept that nepotism is not wrong but I am not sure you notice that proof has been a rare commodity only apply to limited privilege groups of citizens in Singapore. Haven’t you heard those many innocent citizens been jailed without trial, which means there were no acceptable proof that they actually committed any wrong doing.
Do you really so naïve in believing our political openness could even get close to the United States? Far from it my friend, haven’t you heard that our former President Ong denied a state funeral for seeking the truth and proof?
Although I strongly believe that our PM Lee is one of the most suitable and capable candidates after his father in running our country, it does not denied the fact that nepotism is harmful and even deadly in any country or organization, which numerous examples could be found throughout the history of mankind if you care to look into them. Nepotism not only grants favoritism to relatives and friends without merit but also hides ugly truth and condones wrong doing.
I hope that you are talking about “Asian Value” is good for us.
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/PAP the Best!:
January 14, 2011 at 11:36 am PAP the Best!(Quote)
So what if President Nathan’s niece is in HEB? Do you have proof that she was planted there by President Nathan? Can’t she be there on her own merit? What about George Bush being the American President and his brother, Jeb Bush, being the Governor of Florida./
The best ? Really ?
Have you wondered y u r so jialak. George Bush and Jeb Bush were ELECTED. Our president (the “highest” position of
the country) was not even ELECTED (planted there 2 times over ???? ). What more proof do you want. For lesser positions, hahahahahahahahahaha ?
There are too maaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnny double-standards around. Don’t waste too much of your energy. ok.
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@PAP the Best!: January 14, 2011 at 11:36 am
In the year 2000, even after the US elections, the was uncertainty for some time as to who is going to be the next president. The outcome of the race between George Bush and Al Gore were in a contentious state. After settling some issues George Bush became the president.
In Singapore however, I think as far back as 1984, many Singaporeans (except perhaps you) had already talent-spotted a future PM. That is 20 years before he actually became a PM! Despite that his father is calling us all daft. Now you tell me. Is that being fair to us?
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@ Yamashita:
January 14, 2011 at 11:46 am Yamashita(Quote)
S.R. Nathan was also planted as Selected President by LKY. PAP should change its name to People Planting Party.
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Typo error. Should read:
PAP the Best! is a true-blue PAP mole or a daft person to believe that PAP does not practice nepotism.
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Another move by our China loving ministers to make Singapore a Chinese-friendly city.
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It seems this topic is purposely being kept alive. When thread “What is really behind the restriction on Thaipusam” is about to run out, this thread of massive outcry appears.
Massive outcry my foot. This is the work of a few snaky Indians using many monikers, including non-Indian ones. TR never even bother to check whether the email addresses given are genuine.
The govt does not have to answer for the restriction on the Thaipusam. But one thing it has to answer for. It has to answer for why it has allowed so many Indians to come in, so much so that everything about them cannot be touched in the slightest way. They are now flashing their racial superiority whenever the opportunity arises. The frightening thing is that this is going to get worse as more of them continue to come in. Will Singapore after LKY be like Yugoslavia after Tito?
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@PAP the Worst!:
LOL! The truth is, Singaporeans love PAP as demonstrated by the overwhelming 66.6% votes for the PAP Govt under PM Lee’s leadership in the last election.
Truth really hurts for you, doesn’t it? Is it really painful? Oh my poor thing. Where is the pain? In your arse? Go apply some medicated oil to soothe the pain.
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@reallyconcerned:
I think the real blind or stupid is you for not seeing the level of endorsement PM Lee got in the last election. Certainly to me, there is no nepotism. You opposition supporters are just a bunch of sore losers. LOL!
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@John:
You are talking rubbish here. Who says PM Lee’s prime ministership was granted without merit? Yes, he may be the son of MM Lee, the founder of modern Singapore, but you forgot that PM Lee was also voted in by the people. Hence, he was voted in with merit.
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@Reasonable Citizen:
It doesn’t matter if PM Lee was talent-spotted 20 years ago or 40 years ago. The fact of the matter is, the good people of Singapore support his prime ministership.
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@belinda dear:
How can you say I’m daft, dear? If the people truly pissed off with PM Lee and thought that he was just “put” there as a puppet by his father, the good people of Ang Mo Kio GRC could easily voted him out in the last election, couldn’t they, dear?
As it is, PM Lee garnered 66.1%. This is even better than the performance of UK’s PM David Cameron who only got 58.8% in his home constituency. LOL!
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The truth of the matter is that yes he was voted
in as an mp. Not a single vote was cast for him to
be pm and that’s a fact too.
He became pm because he was picked by his party to
be pm AND his papa controls the party 100%. So, was
there nepotism? Ok too if you insist it’s favoritism.
It’s only semantics.
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That’s her father who passed away a few years ago. He is a close relative of S R Nathan and now his daughter is there and she is a member of HEB. They are all living on the same street.
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Well done, Chandru! Spot on!
These bunch of hooligans deserve it. I am quite all right with banning Thaipusam too! Instead of allowing these idiots spoiling the image and sanctity of the holy day, I owuld rather that they banned it.
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Shame on you, John! Shame on you! For your bloody political party you have come here to stoke fire to incite the Tamil Hindus against the govt. Oh please, if you need a subject that will help you and your party to elect you group of good-for-nothing to be elected to parliament, please come up with viable economic plans to save Singapore for the next 25 years.
You rascals, get off the Indians’ back!
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Well said, well said!!!!
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The govt-bashing was started by a particular opposition group. If you go to their site, you will see. They are into racial/religious politics (communal politics). They are exploiting this issue for their political ends. The Indians here are just made use of. Stupid Tamils!
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Here we go again, now we got that Lawyer Ravi who is anti PAP and the government, to protest and stuff. What Nonsense. HEB makes the rules and they should obey it.
(* racist stuff deleted by mod *)
Can we pls stop reporting this kind of lame news, have more good articles like how the locals lose out the TOP FTs like me. Thanks TR.
Mod: If you continue to engage in racism, I will delete all your postings.
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come on man, such a great colourful tourism attraction, Thaipusam is celebrated in 8 countries world wide, Guanya, Sychelles, Mauritious, Fiji, Madagarrsca, Trinidad, Malaysia , Toronto , Singapore
why make big fuss about sound ? Louder than f1 is it ?
Come on la,…
In the 90s the Govt placed barrier on Indians entering law faculty due to high number of Indian lawyer and now placed barrier on festival…
wallalaaaan neh
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Then you are not a Hindu. Migrate to those countries.
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I would say that all the guidelines are not serving any purpose to the minorities.
We being the minority of singapore are slowly losing all our rights.
What else are we going to lose in this place?
Its a one day event and they cant seem to tolerate?
Who gave the right to even use the word deafening for a religious event?
If Thaipusam is a deafening event, than what would you call F1(which is even louder than anything), New Year’s Eve countdown party, Funerals, Lion dance? I hope I make sense here.
We are a multi racial country(we assume), but things that is happening here now, doesnt seem like a multi racial country. We indians are being pulled down! HEB is suppose to support and represent us, NOT to bring us down!! If this happens,we do not need HEB to support, they might as well pack up and go home! Close down HEB will be a better option I would say. These is our rights that we are asking for.
So Something has to be done to give us back our Rights. Bring back Thaipusam’s Beat.
Thanks..
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No comments on the correction from the Minister? There is no such ban.
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hey TR maybe you should censor this guy its obvious he is racist by how he keeps saying bad things about Tamils.
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No true hindu will ask a hindu festival to be banned, you can’t be a true Hindu, you please stop using that name as you are so insane to classify the devotees participating in the event as hooligans. no community is 100% scholars. Do you know how much of devotion one needs to fulfill a painful vow like that. Thaipusam ,Pongal,Jallikattu, Firewalking is our culture. Please don’t generalise and use derogatory terms like hooligans on our devotees. TR SHOULD NOT ALLOW THIS TYPE OF INSANE COMMENTS ABOUT OUR DEVOTEES.
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Make sure i see the same rules for Chingay procession.
Otherwise it is official that PAP is a racist party.
Vote PAP out !
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Saying bad thing about anybody is bad, be it race or an individual.
One must learn not target an individual and his families too.
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yes, mod,
just delete all his postings and save space and time for other bloggers.
shockingly, no one expects diarrhea from a mouth,
but, he certainly has itright there in his mouth.
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censor him?
bar him totally.
there ’s nothing very hindu about him that qualifies him to be a “TRUE HINDU”.
he is merely out to stir racial disharmony and in fact, may not even be an indian at all.
he sounds phoney, down-right hypocritical and like a mole.
ban him immediately i would say.
he is merely out to incite racial disaffection among true singaporeans.
he may not be even a singaporean at all.
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Over 90 companies to take part in ‘India Show’ in Singapore
Three day event starting 14th Jan 2011
Info from:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/et-cetera/over-90-companies-to-take-part-in-india-show-in-singapore/articleshow/7277907.cms
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So, in addition to the Zee Cine Awards, a group of Industrialist and exhibitors from India are here in Singapore at the moment.
My guess is our Tamil speaking Ministers (and their higher up lead-man), Civil Servants and members of the HEB might feel ASHAMED and ABASHED of the image of what our traditional Thaipusum might leave in the minds on these more sophisticated and refined visitors ???
Maybe these Singapore Tamil speaking authorities feel a sense of LOW SELF-IMAGE and LOW SELF-ESTEEM with regards to the visiting Hindi speaking Indian Arts and Industrial delegates (their more sophisticated and more refined kin) , who might stay a few extra days and happen to chance upon the Thaipusum procession, which could bring embarrassment and red-faces to people in our civil establishment and agencies ???
Does this make sense to anyone reading ???
If that’s the case, then SHAME on our Tamil Speaking civil servants. A BIG SHAME !!! Looking down on their ancestry and Singapore’s history !!!!
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Ramajayam,
Since when you got the qualification to decide whether I am or I am not a TRUE Hindu. Going by your ridiculous “logic”, can i say a true parent will not slap his child, a “true” guru will not chastise his disciple, a “true” husband will not mind his adulterous wife.
A TRUE hindu is one who speaks the Truth as it is. Without fear. Even if it means he should make constructive criticisms.
What is your solutions for all the rowdyism in the past 4 decades? You call yourself a Hindu, who placidly watch all wrong-doings and daren’t do anything about them? (So, you are a “Hindu”?)
What we have on Thaipusam day are not devotees but devils. The staunch and true and practising hindus go home by the time the hooliganism starts.
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Kledek neo and wth,
Aren’t you guys propound democracy, and why are you now whining about ‘freedom of speech’. Or is your brand of freedom is only applicable to yourself?
You are such a believer of freedom of speech that you can even meddle with other people’s faith.
Hey, come on. If I should be banned, what about you two? Haven’t you said slighting things about individuals?
What disaffection I am causing? It is jesters like you who are capitalising on parish pump issue.
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http://www.planetbollywood.com/displayArticle.php?id=n011011101125
Taken from the above site:
Uniquely Singapore´s Marina Bay Sands Awaits Zee Cine Awards & Host Akshay!
Singapore’s grandest hotel property, Marina Bay Sands, will be abuzz with the Indian film industry elite on 14th January, as key luminaries and guests fly in to witness the biggest name in Bollywood, Akshay Kumar, join his leading ladies, Aishwarya Rai Bachchan and Deepika Padukone among a host of others at the Zee Cine Awards 2011.
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Could the above (which should have ended, as of this time of writing) be a related reason why the sg authorities are trying to play down the significance of Thaipusam ???
Assuming some of the bollywood stars decide to stay for a couple of extra days in sg, the sg authorities might feel embarassed to expose these visiting bollywood superstars to the noise, din and colour of the Thaipusam festivities ???
This, for the sake of attracting something which might bring in $$$$ but is essentially not part of real Singapore history ??
As what some commentors have noted (most likely new hindi speaking sg citizens), that Thaipusam to them is ‘backward’ and an ‘embarrassment’ ??? Shameful of these people don’t you think ?
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Is singapore gonna ban chingay and f1? Both cause heaps of inconvenience to the public too. OH let’s not forget Christmas and new years eve countdown.
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Looks like 99% of the HEB are top elites sigh it is also high time ti kick all this clowns out
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HOW about those APEC meeting in spore? we have to stop CTE traffic. that’s not inconvenience?
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Aiya, better ban all activities then the whole Singapore will be quiet and peaceful. Police can shake legs, no economy disruption, no litters, no night lives, no clubbing, no drunkard drivers, no fighting…no…no…wa lau oh!
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The sanitation crew is once again cleaning Singapore up to reveal just how great this nation is…let the world know that we have lost our character and uniqueness of our multiple-cultural society no longer exist. We Asians..we’re loud…we’re exuberant and most of all we love our country. Let no law curtail our tradition and our way of life.
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Dear PAP the Best,
If you really believe that nepotism is good for us why don’t you approach the PAP and ask them to put such believe into their manifesto?
My guess is that you will be chased out like a loser because although PAP practices nepotism extensively they know it is not acceptable in anywhere. They will try to fool you into believing that those cronies are there on merit and I guess that’s why you are still exhaustingly shouting out here defending those who denied openly that nepotism is harmful but ignoring those ill consequences practicing it.
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Reading majority of the comments, i’m proud to call myself singaporean. If there is injustice within our community, be it of any race…we all come together and support each other. Racism doesn’t exist within us brudders. Only the old folks suck on it.
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Posted a thread on stomp. Leave a comment and it may catch media attention soon. Support guys!
http://talkback.stomp.com.sg/forums/showthread.php?t=114788
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It is not only important whether the members of HEB are Singaporeans but are they Tamilans. Non Tamilans are the ones likely to create discord in everything that is celebrated or practiced by Tamilans. A classic example, Tamils Representative Council, (TRC) board members wanted to change their name to Indian Representative Council, (IRC). The solution is to change all non-tamilan board members to a tamilan and ensure they are not the YES man
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