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SDP questions MINDEF regarding the seizure of ICVs by the Hong Kong customs

The SDP is greatly concerned about the recent incident involving SAF armored vehicles seized in Hong Kong. The military and diplomatic implications are far reaching and may significantly impact on our country’s national security.

In this regard, there are immediate questions that the government must answer:

1. Is there any reason why the Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) thinks it is actually acceptable to ship our military equipment from Taiwan to Singapore via Hong Kong knowing fully the political tensions between Taiwan and the People’s Republic of China?

2. Why is sensitive military equipment transported using a commercial shipping company? Would MINDEF contract out such operations to civilian companies in times of actual combat? If not, why are we not relying on our naval transport facilities and testing their operational readiness during training?

3. What steps are MINDEF and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs taking to secure the return of our assets without causing greater fallout with China?

It is important that Singapore maintains a strong and intelligent defence system. The latest incident raises questions on both fronts.

 

Singapore Democratic Party.

 

 

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44 Responses to “SDP questions MINDEF regarding the seizure of ICVs by the Hong Kong customs”

  • I am Tony Tan Jiak Liao bee:

    We will not identify the Mindef Officer responsible for this fiasco, we do not want to create a Blame culture.
    It is not in your interest to know.
    It’s an oversight, let’s move on.
    And lastly, we have been doing it for years, we do not foresee any problem….
    And we were too busy looking at our year end bonus and CPF statements to follow up.
    And we have Paper generals paid millions with tax payer’s money to be getting too complacent and too bo chap.
    And too blind to see the changing geopolitical landscape ????
    WTF !!!!!

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  • 鸟龍的人:

    哎药!别大驚小怪嘛
    全世界都知道阿斗是世界最高薪
    阿斗是要表演一下嘛
    讓世界也知道小红点也有九辆大炮车咧

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  • Sharon Ann Gabriel:

    China has lodged a diplomatic protest against Singapore for its military ties with Taiwan. The row between the 2 countries has escalated. Unless this dispute is properly managed, it may become more acrimonious. A small country like ours has much to lose. PM Lee’s provocative attempt to ruffle Chinese feathers will result in dire consequences. The impounding of 9 ICVs is only the beginning.

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  • National Disgrace:

    There can’t be any clearest indication of the incompetence of the Minister of Defence. How on earth could such an incident not be foreseen and avoided at all cost. It goes to show these idiots don’t deserve the $millions they are paid. We demand the immediate resignation of MoD.

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  • Hawking Eye:

    Good the SDP has posed the right questions.

    Mindef could be following established practices, bringing its armour from Taiwan via Hong Kong. But it should be realized that the political and security landscape has changed. Given China’s overt unhappiness with Singapore’s closeness with the US we should have taken proactive actions to mend our ties with the Mainland. Instead China is upping the ante by building a deep harbor off Malacca, capable of diverting some 50-70% of all oil transshipments going to Singapore through the Malacca Straits currently. Also it is said that China is also involved in building a $100 million mega city in Johore(?). The impact of these mega projects on Singapore could be enormous.

    If Malaysia plays the China card should Singapore do the same with the US card?

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  • Bebe:

    Where is the hen?
    Suddenly, so quiet

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  • xndua:

    Living in HK, the show is getting exciting to say the least! a slap of LHL face and Vivian, frankly Singapore asked for it so let it be, side line watching the escalation to boiling point, Sg is licking dog to USA and Clinton, which of course, is useless now with Donald Trump!

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  • rukidding:

    Bo Pian mah !

    Our so call “scholar General” couldn’t managed our own small NOL , until ownself “surrender” and “sell away” asset.

    Point is ….what makes the 70% Daft believes that our other “so called military scholars can be capable Ministers” too ?

    I , “catch no balls” ?

    Why our Government “dare not use excuses like …..Globalisation effect” ?

    Tot, Ah Loong and Abang, our neighbour now so good fren ?….why cannot do the training just next door ? Plenty of land mah ?

    Mind you,…its not free use of training grd ok ?…..still have to pay “rent” hor !

    Better start think to change…and train next door and forget about Brunei, Taiwan.

    Keep Australia and New Zealand…cos they are probably your next best “BIG Brother” to “rely on”….cos Uncle Sam also now cannot help himself !

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  • PAP is the BEST:

    PAP is best, no blame culture is best. The IB make PAP look bad then come here blame me and say me english no good. No blame culture best I support, everyone can come here say PAP is best, IB cannot come here be policeman blame people. I nothing bad to say about PAP, like this how have blame culture, must be no blame culture, correct because minister say one cannot wrong.

    I am Tony Tan Jiak Liao bee:
    We will not identify the Mindef Officer responsible for this fiasco, we do not want to create a Blame culture.
    It is not in your interest to know.
    It’s an oversight, let’s move on.
    And lastly, we have been doing it for years, we do not foresee any problem….
    And we were too busy looking at our year end bonus and CPF statements to follow up.
    And we have Paper generals paid millions with tax payer’s money to be getting too complacent and too bo chap.
    And too blind to see the changing geopolitical landscape ????
    WTF !!!!!

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  • N.Jungne:

    National Disgrace:
    There can’t be any clearest indication of the incompetence of the Minister of Defence. How on earth could such an incident not be foreseen and avoided at all cost. It goes to show these idiots don’t deserve the $millions they are paid. We demand the immediate resignation of MoD.

    Response: Not only MoD., no confidence in the PAP GoVermin, resign lah

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  • Singapore Fooled Again n Again:

    Hawking Eye:

    If Malaysia plays the China card should Singapore do the same with the US card?

    What can US offer to SG when SG also poked US-President elect Trump hard up leading to US election?

    Remember when playing US card, US will want you to spend billions to buy their military stuffs and then probably make enemy here and there, then US will ask you to open your purse more and more, like what Japan, S. Korea and even Taiwan are doing. China is smarter, they pump billions to create shock economy waves to show the whole world what they can do./

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  • Best system:

    China should help our all opposition parties merge and united as a single strong party and take over PAP. Invite all opposition parties leaders meet in Beijing and thrash out each party’s difference, everyone give and take abit, form a united party and contest pap next election in all constituencies! The new Singapore government will stop SAF exercise with Taiwan, support China’s claim of South China Sea. China will invest business in Singapore and return our army tanks. Singaporeans can visit China without visa.

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  • lesson:

    Need to learn from this and prevent such incident in future.
    Sad to see Singapore in such a mess.

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  • GROSS INCOMPETENCE:

    ” What steps are MINDEF and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs taking to secure the return of our assets without causing greater fallout with China? ”

    What can we expect from the 2 ministerial surgeons who spent their careers looking at the body parts of sick patients? Another example of the gross incompetence of the PAP govt?

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  • Diu Lian ni:

    Your English is terribly bad so why waste your time here?

    If we find out who you are, you will surely Diu Lian, right?

    Even a primary school kid writes better than you.

    Go learn your English grammar then come back. Go get lost.

    You are a failure.

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  • No Greater Idiot:

    There is no idiot greater than LHL. He is being screwed big time by both US and China. Problem is that he has a mouth that is too big for his face, telling China how to suck eggs. He is no global, regional or national leader but a mere party leader with self-serving interest and no vision on how to manage the country. He only knows how to pay his ministers with astronomical salaries despite their gross incompetence, himself included.

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  • NO LIMIT TO HIS STUPIDITY:

    1) If you want a smoke in Beijing, just open the windows
    2) If you want pork soup in Shanghai, just turn on the tap
    3) You are no longer the Middle Kingdom

    China says,
    The first two you insulted two of our biggest cities, we excuse you because maybe you are stupid.
    But the third one is just too much. You have insulted one billion plus Chinese people in front of the whole world.
    Confiscating the tanks is just a warning tap on the wrist.
    Wait till we close our markets to all your exports and see what happens to your country.

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  • ARROGANT punch above weight:

    Quote: “What steps are MINDEF and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs taking to secure the return of our assets without causing greater fallout with China?”

    Oh yes, SG gahmen have asked the HK (= Chinese) authorities to release the vehicles “expeditiously”.

    Sounds more like a veiled threat than a diplomatic request.

    SG arrogantly punching above its weight again?

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  • Kena Faarked lor!:

    Some singlians may say, as usual, Boh Bian wan, this one Boh Bian wan. Lan Lan lor. Kenna cheong kong lor.

    Everything by default is Boh Bian lor.

    But i hope our generals would not be so like dat.
    I hope our singlian general would fight for sg self-interest and sovereignty and demand the China to say sorry.

    Dong pray with singpore ah!
    We everything also number 1 ah.
    Now that Trump knows how rich sg is, will he charge us a premium?
    Else i feel like no face leh!

    Boh Bian Lor!

    Limbeh gonna pah chew cheng lor!
    Lan Lan lor!

    Simi lan jeow also boh bian lor!
    kannilah lor!

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  • Bah Chee Ku:

    I think we should invoke the old man to deal with this ordeal.
    I no confidence existing millionaires can handle this one.
    Of course its not a Tekkan at sg on purpose one right?
    We very smart people we know for sure this is not tekkan but a pure coincidence.

    We very smart one.

    If questioned by china, i suggest this tactic of reply :

    1. I invoke my 5th amendment privilege not to answer your questions.
    2. You can refer to the statute the answer.
    3. I would not answer a hypothetical.
    4. Pending all the facts presented, my answer could go infinite number of possible ways.

    I rest my case.

    If it smells like SHIT.
    Tastes like SHIT,
    Looks like SHIT,
    FEELS like SHIT,
    then, IT MUST BE SHIT! Stupid!

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  • TigerBeer:

    Ok I want to say this

    The tanks get stuck at Hong Kong Customs no big problem

    Hong Kong Customs like in Singapore want to make sure no problem so they check the tanks

    Then after check found no problem inform us to take back

    No problem at all

    Only opposition people like to talk this talk that make small thing big

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  • Never a PAP voter:

    Ex-military regulars, engineers and managers, working in SMRT, sleeping.
    Active military regulars, officers working in Mindef, sleeping.

    What do you expect? A miracle?

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  • Boh Kia See:

    I think it shows that we do not have a capable transport division that can transport military equipment.

    This could be that the thinking excludes going to war in distant places but more like going to war where we can simply cross by land. Anything enemy further away–we will use the air force.

    If during war time, we use commercial transport for military equipment, the transporter could simply deliver those equipment directly to the enemy–because they upped the price to the transporter.

    I think China is trying to warn Singapore that they are a major power in this region and not to take them for granted.

    Our PM can go and provide more lectures and lessons to the Chinese leaders to “help” them see the light of day.

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  • Ppoo:

    This is a humiliation, a slap on the face.

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  • Pinky:

    So Mr Hen what is the solution? Pinky continues with his pork soup or free smoke! Or what is wrong with the middle finger I mean kingdom?

    We should replace Pinky, No?

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  • Concerned Citizens:

    Will the ex-dictator rise from his grave to stabilise the current spat with China? The d**honourable son is getting too arrogant because of the millions salary, as the situation seemed to be worsening, and he is bringing much concern and worries for his countrymen.

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  • Mr Ludicrous:

    Bebe:
    Where is the hen?
    Suddenly, so quiet

    Why a doctor holds highest post as Defence Minister? Is this wat Lim sia suay is talking about skills mismatch

    Read all about it here : https://www.google.com.sg/amp/news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/beware-job-skill-mismatch-swee-say%3Famp

    Our doctor Defence Minister got attend upgrading courses or not to be effective in his role? Like his pap-smear co-workers they have Guaranteed income. Whether economy experience downturn, recession or kaput they are still paid millions. There’s zero accountability. This is not ah gong’s money. Their are paid by tax payers. It’s public information that SAF enjoy the biggest budget of all ministries. Kena chiong gong? Time to upgrade to new models. Tats why they continue to enjoy life in the stratosphere while we perish

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  • Le Masturbatur:

    Like this poor handling or miscom in such a deadly seriously secret ooeration, the min of def still getting bonus for this?

    Time for another round of masturbation to relieve my angst. Not Fillip Angst but hentai angst. Not Ang Hen Tai but hentai angst.

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  • Small mind Big Money:

    Small mind & big money with practically zero effort, work or thought maxed at the small brain capacity which has been fully occupied with how to multiple the big monies. Plps busily thinking of how to impove the plp skill with all effort trying to think what the small minds with big monies are thinking. So no time to look at any issue thoroughout. If Patch And Patch cannot fixed then wayang, talk big, push, pass the buck or create diversion afterall there are always the daft Singaporeans and there is always opposition in particular WP which the plps can be despatched to microcomb their financial management and activities.
    Well even with 3 Ministers with no portfolio aka servants serving the boss, who has no time for the daft Singaporeans after focussing all the energy fixing the adverse critics and telling regional global leaders what to do beside yaya onverseas on busy ness sometimes with 2fG. Afterall HE was the only Asean no only Asian, no? only world minus USA leader got the poshiest dinner reception by Obama, it is his generousity to share his political wisssidom with all his counterpart.
    Talking about foreign relationship, Vivian has done the best like his management of the past portfolio. How can u expect anything better if he has done his best wherever he goes and whatever he has to do?
    So why commercial vessel was used to transport sensitive defence material? First what sensitive, it is a deliberate showoff! second why commercial? Have daft Sinkies forgotten what PAP govt said about privatisation of govt services like education, utilities and ….? The commercial and private sectors can do more efficiently, effectively and better than the PAP Govt! Even GY and his Comittee on the review of Ministers’ multimillions $ paycheck took the cue and engaged a private consultant to do the job for them.
    As to why stop at HK? Test Vivian great diplomacy and nothing better to do mah?

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  • pop-up from grave:

    someone need to pop-up from his grave asap …

    your tank kena cheong kong , your son kena bully , your shopping mall is empty , your big brother is leaving your son , your sea-port will becoming ghost town , your GDP is falling , your concrete is falling , your STI is falling , your NOL has gone , your train is not moving smoothly , your lifts kept breaking down !

    hello , are you there ? can you hear me ?

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  • Tip of the Iceberg:

    The trouble with L*L is his swell headed ego, especially after Obama invited him to the White House and to watch the yankee doodle parade.
    L*L totally forgot that Singapore is much closer to China geographically, economically and culturally.

    Ironically, L*L’s family roots came from China. LKY will not make such stupid foreign relations error with regards to China. If LKY is still alive, the father will give the son a good spanking. I have said before that L*L is hopeless in international foreign affairs. He relies on his eye doctor (Vivian), who happens to be grossly ‘short-sighted’.

    Swell headed Lee allows mad-dog USA politics to manipulative tiny Singapore to play hard ball with China. China cannot and will not allow Chinese Singapore to play mischievous politics siding rival USA.

    See what happen to USA’s dirty democracy controversial politics which resulted in irrational racialist Trump designated the next President?
    It will take a very long time for China to forgive (but certainly cannot forget) the idiotic stance of PM L*L. China Singapore relations will be bad as long as L*L is PM.

    The seizure of military vehicles incident is only ‘the tip of the iceberg’. More will come and China is going to teach small boy Lee a good lesson in school.

    USA under Trump is more likely not interested in Asia’s affairs / politics. Maybe L*L did not expect Trump to be next USA President! This is attributed to the PM’s Arrogance, Lack of Foresight or just Simply Stupidity?

    Another problem with L*L is that he believes too much in Obama. Why sleep with the devil? Obama and his pivot-Asia and TPP legacy will soon be discarded into the dustbin of history.

    Why the faking propaganda? Does Obama and L*L think the World and China is stupid? Pivot Asia policy is well known as “China Containment Policy”
    No wonder Obama did not receive the red-carpet airport welcome in China. It was deliberate. China has no respect for this monkey.

    This pivot Asia policy is sheer NONSENSE! Good Riddance Obama, Thank God, he has only few weeks left! Historical facts clearly shows that USA with its over-capacity naval fleet ‘roaming’ around the oceans is a trouble maker, a f*cking bully, and a threat to world’s harmony.

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  • Neo:

    SDP ask this type of question as if PAP will answer. Even they do answer, the answer most prob will be:

    1) Classified/Top Secret
    2) Not in the interest of the public to know
    3) What do you think?
    4) Happens once in 50 years

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  • blind leading blind:

    Tip of the Iceberg: Ironically, L*L’s family roots came from China. LKY will not make such stupid foreign relations error with regards to China. If LKY is still alive, the father will give the son a good spanking. I have said before that L*L is hopeless in international foreign affairs. He relies on his eye doctor (Vivian), who happens to be grossly ‘short-sighted’.

    He relies on his eye doctor (Vivian), who happens to be grossly ‘short-sighted’.

    YES, it is like a blind leading a blind.

    But sure they know and are good at in paying / self-rewarding themselves in the millions of dollars.

    The default for complacency, is that PAP is assured of 70% electoral votes certainty.

    Come-on PAP, what do you want the voters to do? Vote for Opposition?, whom you have also cleverly bride them to bed.

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  • henry:

    All because cost is paramount.

    Choose the cheapest container line to ship them back
    Why change the parameters of selection?

    How come cannot ship direct back to SIN instead of going through
    Manila, Hai Phong, Bangkok, Hong Kong?

    Now lets see if they sue the shipping company for not
    preparing “proper” documents. Maybe someone got bribed with
    a nice party girl in Kaoshiong and deliberately screwed up.

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  • Patriot:

    Singapore Number 1 lah!!

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  • Newkid:

    It’s Karma! After practically chastising China, this had to happen. The owl has landed! Or a***
    luck!!!

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  • Lau Thia Khiang Must Read!:

    Dear WP Lau Thia Khiang

    大家晚上好!

    Mr Lau, why have WP MPs , having been collecting $16,000.00 a month for MP work, not voiced up about this fiasco of national importance?

    Its year end, Please show us some results or i swear to old mc donald’s graves , i will sack you!

    Yours
    Kiss Whore Malu Barnie

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  • Neber a pap voter:

    blind leading blind: He relies on his eye doctor (Vivian), who happens to be grossly ‘short-sighted’.

    YES, it is like a blind leading a blind.

    But sure they know and are good at in paying / self-rewarding themselves in the millions of dollars.

    The default for complacency, is that PAP is assured of 70% electoral votes certainty.

    Come-on PAP, what do you want the voters to do? Vote for Opposition?, whom you have also cleverly bride them to bed.

    U din quote,i wun say.Since u quote,i will say.
    His papa taught him to chase ball.He did. Chase until the road & got BANG !

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  • paleface:

    All involved will be promoted to the next higher rank on 1 July 2017.

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  • eric see:

    Does MINDEF under the rules of shipping custom procedures when does the carrier ever carry the responsibility to preparing the cargo manifest and declaration to the customs, it is the responsibility of the shipper to prepare for the declaration and all paperwork prior to shipping, in this case when things goes wrong, u shouldn’t blame APL as they are not paid to do your declaration but rather the shipper responsibility to seek clearance from all possible countries of transit, if you are not prepared to go thru the custom then shipped direct via Taiwan to SIN, if not get navy boats to go sail from Taiwan to SIN. Now when things go haywire, start to blame commercialization, if this is the cost saving model-outsourcing you are talking about, then prepared to take the risk!!! this is the commercial world of shipping, not your own rules of engagement!!!

    get a commercial guy to manage the shipping function for you instead of getting your own people cause they knows the international shipping rules better than yourself!!!

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  • Jap mature mom:

    I thought sg guermen always win?
    It would be perverse to assume that
    I find this slap in the dragon face a bit refreshing.

    This means, I am not feeling shiok that dragon got slapped .

    However, this episode does demonstrate that Authoritarianism ends at the borders.

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  • Husband Away on Bis trip:

    Ppoo:
    This is a humiliation, a slap on the face.

    Got Food to Eat, Got Job to do can already.
    Don’t tell too many people about this fiasco.
    Let’s downplay it.

    Abstain from politics. This is democracy.

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  • Unfettered Power:

    Sg Opposition now collecting one goolan after another dropping from the sky.

    1. First goolan : old mc Donald went to Deng Sua.
    2. Second goolan : BREXIT
    3. Third goolan : Triumph De Trump
    4. Fourth goolan : XJP slap

    WP is effectiveless.

    By right, it needs to be deregistered as political party.

    If economy gets worse and worse
    That’s the only chance for Opposition to rise.
    In good times, opposition can forget about it.
    Only when more sonkies suffer much much more than before will they be hngry enough for change.

    Let’s see how bad 2017 turns out to be.

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  • Ddd:

    Hawking Eye:
    Good the SDP has posed the right questions.

    Mindef could be following established practices, bringing its armour from Taiwan via Hong Kong. But it should be realized that the political and security landscape has changed. Given China’s overt unhappiness with Singapore’s closeness with the US we should have taken proactive actions to mend our ties with the Mainland. Instead China is upping the ante by building a deep harbor off Malacca, capable of diverting some 50-70% of all oil transshipments going to Singapore through the Malacca Straits currently. Also it is said that China is also involved in building a $100 million mega city in Johore(?). The impact of these mega projects on Singapore could be enormous.

    If Malaysia plays the China card should Singapore do the same with the US card?

    It is reported that some 60% of the ships plying straits of malacca belong to China. It does require a lot of intelligence to understand the consequences of making your biggest customer feeling unsecured, hostilities threatened or insulted. The customer has every right to tell you to fly kite.

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