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Has China ‘written off’ our Foreign Minister?

My assessment on this is that China may have written off our FM. Beijing may have noted the forward role he played in regional proceedings in forging a so-called Asean position on the South China Sea issue. A position that some would add does not have the support of, say, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar. and the list could well go on now that Duterte’s Philippines, the lynchpin, has also exited the American camp.

A position steeped in sterile and static legalism but betrays an insufficient understanding of the evolving nature of power in international relations. A position so eloquently propounded that it cannot but win awards at high school debating contests, and perhaps earn the applause of the discredited judges of the Hague Tribunal.

Sadly, a position that contributes nothing to stability, not to mention enabling small Singapore to be friendly with as many countries as possible. Horror of horrors, a position that has resulted in China more angry at Singapore than the Philippines, when we have no claims of our own in the South China Sea.

How did we get ourselves in this mess?

Martin Loh

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34 Responses to “Has China ‘written off’ our Foreign Minister?”

  • Greedy Corrupt Evil Shameless:

    How we got into the mess ? No thanks to the greedy evil Pinky and his gang of sychopants.

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  • YOG:

    is he our FM ? he can’t even manage YOG , where he want to have his 3 meals ?

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  • Can you handle it?:

    No more debating like in school, ok?

    VBola should now do some real work and proves himself worthy. Otherwise, Lena posted to another mess.nitry.

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  • Singapore Fooled Again n Again:

    Started by betting America Democratic camp to win big, that after Obama, Hillary will take over the baton in 2P17 and little Red Dot will continue its poking of China with the world’s superpower America supporting R.D. right behind.

    Now that the baton have passed on to Trump, worse is that R.D. supported the wrong US presidential candidate right through to even after Trump won, beside poking China, R.D. also poked Trump hard with its TPP campaign.

    Now R.D. may loss trust of both big superpowers if we didn’t find any foothold in the coming months and years and we can say bye bye to little R.D.

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  • Ownself f**k ownself !!!:

    No blame culture here.
    Let’s move on.
    Still get very high pay and dignity is intact.
    Job well done and praises all around.

    Who did the 69% vote for ?

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  • Failed Whites:

    We are called dafts. Now we know who’s more daft and stupid.

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  • survey recently:

    Balakrishnan should resign , international relations he don’t handle well ,Recall and reinstate Wong KAN seng to be the foreign minister, he is still the best person to engage and deal with China, old ginger is the best medicine to cure foreign relationships sickness , wks get ready pls !

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  • Reality Checks:

    ASEAN is fast becoming irrelevant and will soon become a non-entity with each member pursuing its own agenda. Singapore neither holds the cards nor has the clout to play any useful or forceful role. Gone are the days when we had as our FM people like the late S Rajaratnam who possessed intellect and stature to command respect. Time has changed and China is now a different ballgame. SG better be smart and avoids stepping onto China’s toe else we too will become a non-entity.

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  • Thinking loud:

    Singapore aspired to be the leader for ASEAN.

    Even LKY can’t muster the respect of all. While he won on his intellect and achievements, he’s unfortunately low on EQ as well. He made people fear him and not like him. Well, he was a bit like Trump. LOL

    Thus, ASEAN was mainly a very loose group in name for many years. No real contribution to any country for anything. Just a TCSS session for the diplomats.

    Now, with China’s lollipop strategy, China will be the de facto leader of ASEAN.

    It will take a big idiot not to see that all the ASEAN states depend on China for their livelihood. Actually, Singapore had been so don’t ride our moral high horse.

    LKY said money can buy anything. He never thought there would be a seller with more money who won’t sell?

    Both China and US trades with the world, not just us. In fact, we got nothing to trade except slaves.

    I think FM and the establishment need to understand some hard facts in life.

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  • PAP has the mandate:

    hahahhaahahahahah….ASEAN was setup to the advantage of Stinkapore, now that disunity is there, Stinkapore is the biggest loser…hahahahahah…remember LKY jailed the communists and LHL make jokes on China…hhahahahaha

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  • circus extraordinaire:

    Put a clown to be the FM and he will outperform this Vivian.

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  • Monyet Hitam:

    PM Lee should know he’s no little LKY, his attempt to be the leader in the South China Sea dispute has backfired, even Phillipines has to kowtow to the Middle Kingdom. Who’s the smarter one?
    His ego has been bruised by superpower, China, putting him down in his place flat on his face.
    Now it’s Trump’s turn to put him down later.

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  • Fat MaMa:

    It is so absurd that people spout the Beijing propaganda that if you have no claim over the South China Sea you shut up. No wonder national apathy starts the moment you step out of your door both in Singapore and in China.

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  • POWER corrupt mind:

    When you send someone who is high minded and only look up to people rather than making real friendship, our country is indeed going to have more trouble.

    Singapore is thought to be Hipocrisy in many ways when our G want to become middleman to many countries. And keep saying things when you are not wanted or should not at all. Being arrogrant is anothet shortfall on their attitudes!

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  • N.Jungne:

    China has waited 12 years for this moment to fix Singapore. Whatever reasons to claim being victimized is no use, evidence is there that Singapore is the Outlaw.

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  • heaven got eyes:

    the whole ferkin’ lot of you pigs know what it’s like to be bullied eh?
    your ah pa, and you, and ure million dollar ministars all scold us, bully us, control us, call us dafts – now you kena sutu-mutu from the biggest brother, i ask you now, song or not?

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  • LIONS:

    China is rather suave in the way she approaches her foreign policies.
    Sg needs a more efficacious FM ,one whom foreign leaders accord respect.
    One such minister would be Mr Tharman.

    Wecannot fool around with our foreign relations.

    Sg is tiny n so we need “giants” of the likes of S Rajaratnam to conduct our diplomatic ties n relations.

    Time to RETHINK B RE-organise before its too late for any remedial action,PM Lee,sir.
    PS: Dont you ever hope the MICKEY MOUSE USA will come to our aid should we face problems,take a leaf drom Taiwan???

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  • Boh Bian = Given Up Rights:

    Ownself f**k ownself !!!:
    No blame culture here.
    Let’s move on.
    Still get very high pay and dignity is intact.
    Job well done and praises all around.

    Who did the 69% vote for ?

    Everyone say Boh Bian lah!

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  • gen:

    Singapore has long been a proxy of the west(US) since independence in Asean, in exchange for military security, economic growth and regional geopolitical power and influence for this is the only way thd govt knows how to allow move forward and survive.

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  • Den:

    Fat MaMa:
    It is so absurd that people spout the Beijing propaganda that if you have no claim over the South China Sea you shut up. No wonder national apathy starts the moment you step out of your door both in Singapore and in China.

    It is just saying that every action there will be reaction. You throw a punch then you should expect a counter punch. So please don’t whine when that happens.

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  • Bebe:

    They are being paid the most in the world and yet they cocked up so much recently.
    What happens if zhina decided to confiscate our investments in zhina?
    Do u think going to the international court can help?

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  • How did we end up like this!:

    Hasn’t Wong Kan Seng being appointed our chief China advisor and what has been advising our double faced PM in the South China Sea affair and VB in the above meeting ?
    Plainly a case of negligence or sleeping in his role even in retirement and unashamingly collecting public funds as his high pay on top of his leeching state pension only given to our retired Ministers. Many daft Singaporeans yet to realise the hugmongous sum drained from the public each year to buff up the already high pay and that they had underserving taken in the past ; such pension not avialabe to the plebian civil servants .
    What about those indian clowns in or various Public schools of LKY , Rajaratnam ,Goh Keng Swee,etc who used to advise how Spore shd be run.What did these clowns advise our Ah dou in our foreign policies towards US and China and being so infamously of the mark in recent times. We have always wondered why these foreign trashes so highly respected and paid out of public funds by our PAP government did not contribute to the chaos in their own country and gathered in Singapore with their views and telling us how Spore shd be run.
    Now we have a nation of paper generals who cant handle 101 basic logistics, keep our SMRT station safe from adolescent german tourists,exposing SMRT employees, commuters exposed to dangers and death and yet declared policies are fine,highly paid ministers in wrong jobs,HDB falling apart, lifts damages and ironical SG Innovate run by foreign CEO, biggest bank run by some doubtful clown who claimed Swiber as an inevitable when the whole oil and gas industries were in trouble for well over two years.
    Yet the government is still going ahead with white paper for 6.9m when more than half of real sporeans well qualified, patriotic maybe daft cant find job. well done PAP!
    LKY must have turned over many times in his grave !

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  • June:

    survey recently:
    Balakrishnan should resign , international relations he don’t handle well ,Recall and reinstate Wong KAN seng to be the foreign minister, he is still the best person to engage and deal with China, old ginger is the best medicine to cure foreign relationships sickness , wks get ready pls !

    NAHHH , i think jayakmr was a better one compared to wks, maybe since this is a china issue , wks might be somehwta be ethnically balanced, but anything but china jayakmr was better and george yeo was good as a peoples person not agressive like the poakka face jaya but pleasing one

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  • June:

    well just as how sars and pig flu is contagious China will be a virus prone… thinking its flying high, like a glass falling off the cliff, it will one day break into pces, a no transparancy nation with maximum fake and lies and a blanket covering the debris

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  • June:

    LIONS:
    China is rather suave in the way she approaches her foreign policies.
    Sg needs a more efficacious FM ,one whom foreign leaders accord respect.
    One such minister would be Mr Tharman.

    Wecannot fool around with our foreign relations.

    Sg is tiny n so we need “giants” of the likes of S Rajaratnam to conduct our diplomatic ties n relations.

    Time to RETHINK B RE-organise before its too late for any remedial action,PM Lee,sir.
    PS: Dont you ever hope the MICKEY MOUSE USA will come to our aid should we face problems,take a leaf drom Taiwan???

    bring back that poakka face jayakumar, he will be the best to deal with foreign relations

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  • June:

    Monyet Hitam:
    PM Lee should know he’s no little LKY, his attempt to be the leader in the South China Sea dispute has backfired, even Phillipines has to kowtow to the Middle Kingdom. Who’s the smarter one?
    His ego has been bruised by superpower, China, putting him down in his place flat on his face.
    Now it’s Trump’s turn to put him down later.

    phippineswill go down the drain to trust china , he is just waiting to import maximum pig flu…

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  • nihon:

    who doesn’t want money?

    sg still thinks sticking to principles matters. but when china dangles its money, a greedy dudirty quickly went on his knees and bowed to china. netting about usd 24 b. najib already bought. so has laos and cambodia. trying to buy thais and vietcongs.

    now, najib is using china to fight us, and china is using m’sial against us. cina babi haram (chinese pigs are dirty/sinful) but who cares if it is cina babi money.

    this is geopolitical reality.

    sg can only save face by insisting international has to be observed, and cooperation is needed to maintain peace in the region and south china sea.

    might is right, and he who has the gold makes the rules.

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  • rukidding:

    Pure Arrogance !

    It all started from the “Free smoke & Pork soup” comment !

    Small Boy actually thinks he is “great” ?

    Haaaaaaaaa…..

    Jia Lak Liow….

    Hey,….where is MR Tanco , or our infamous ,35% Pee Sai Tann ????

    Still “enjoying” in Japan before the “last waltz” ends ?

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  • Good lesson:

    We have Super leaders paid Super salaries; good degrees class one etc yet they screwed up big time
    1-china would have stripped and learnt the technical features and that means the yanks will not buy these vehicles anymore – hooray for Mindef
    2- our relationship is now on bad footing with the CHINESE ; donot be surprised our leaders will go begging on blended knees to China to ask for forgiveness; very soon bg and others will go to china on repair damage trips to say sorry

    Say what you like about our northern Neighbours for their laziness and inefficiency; Najib came back fr china with trade pacts and a big smile; no doubt About it their relationship with china is on a much better footing; they may not have class one degrees but they are certainly ahead of our muddle headed scholar elites in that they are more practical and worldly wise about life ; they know how to win friends and influence big powers and that is crux of matter which our overpaid scholar technocrats know little about

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  • Ah Peng Kia:

    They are paid so highly, so they think they got bigger “face” than other world leaders mah, so can do what they want and say what they like. They think their money can crush other world leaders.

    LHL gambled big by pushing TPP, now he has lost. Looks like the husband and wife team are big gamblers, but never winners.

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  • Frankly:

    I am a Pioneer Generation. I distinctly remembered when I served NS, as a recruit we were instilled in our mind to guard our rifle with our lives. Now we have a paper general who lost not one tank but several tanks. How to gain respect from recruits????

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  • Experience is important:

    Good lesson:
    We have Super leaders paid Super salaries; good degrees class one etc yet they screwed up big time
    1-china would have stripped and learnt the technical features and that means the yanks will not buy these vehicles anymore – hooray for Mindef
    2- our relationship is now on bad footing with the CHINESE ; donot be surprised our leaders will go begging on blended knees to China to ask for forgiveness; very soon bg and others will go to china on repair damage trips to say sorry

    Say what you like about our northern Neighbours for their laziness and inefficiency; Najib came back fr china with trade pacts and a big smile; no doubt About it their relationship with china is on a much better footing; they may not have class one degrees but they are certainly ahead of our muddle headed scholar elites in that they are more practical and worldly wise about life ; they know how to win friends and influence big powers and that is crux of matter which our overpaid scholar technocrats know little about

    Najib is an Economics graduate from Nottingham whereas LHL isn’t.

    Najib’s siblings are well known corporate figures (Nazir at CIMB) whereas LHL’s siblings are not.

    One knows how to use economic tools intelligently to get the economy going while the other doesn’t.

    One is pragmatic yet realistic,while the other is borderline delusional,thinking the economy can grow when it is reportedly maxed out.

    One started his political career from the bottom, from grassroots at State level while the other was parachuted into the post after a certain someone warmed the seat for him for a number of years.

    One values experience while the other is obsessed with good academic grades,resulting in paper generals being appointed/promoted.

    One goes overseas to solicit business for his country while the other goes overseas to make enemies and comes home empty handed.

    One arrested a Bersih figure only to release her after 10 days while the other sues young bloggers who oppose him.

    One understands the importance of welfare during troubled times while the other tells you the importance of having high ministerial salary and less welfare.

    https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/news/pressreleases/2009/april/alumnusbecomesprimeministerofmalaysia.aspx

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senior_Wrangler_(University_of_Cambridge)

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  • CCK:

    How many years did VB received mentorship from the great MM ?

    Clearly VB failed to pass his mentorship or did the great MM failed in his tasks ? and yet received millions and a grand state funeral !

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  • If Zhou is around:

    What just written off time wise or in real time? If PRC Zhou were still around, he would have said he is not just a banana like his plp source but a rotten banana! In other words, PRC intelligence would have submitted their report with opinionated comments on this Vivian garga! What respect u think he will get? Perhaps it is him that PRC not only flexed its muscles but totally impregnated with despise wrapped in condescending. Yet our super rich political digits felt relieved! Given LKY, Vivian will be screwed badly together with the Minister of Defence and Singaporeans may see a reenactment of Dr Toh Chin Chye’s path to political insolence. At least they can be comforted that they did not have the right of sympathy as Toh with his life or dead casting vote. But Sinkies could expect what would be coming after what has pappened to Cow, yacock and companies. Incidentally yacock has been one plp ST’s possible candidate for the reserved Malay Presidency dubbed by the kopitiam gang as President Reserved.

    Singaporeans should ask themselves can a President elected be called one nonpartisan and independet if he resigned from his political party just a few days or week before the announced date of nomination.

    Sinkies are not only dadt but badly wayanded screwed! Pathetic shits!

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