Downgrade or Sublet? What’s the Point if Retirees Cannot Make Progress in Life

National Development Minister Lawrence Wong said in a Facebook post yesterday that older flats “can still be a retirement asset.”

This comes on the heels of an earlier post he made on 24 March 2017 in which he said that at the end of the 99-year lease, HDB flats become worthless as they have to be returned to the government. This caused an online stir among homeowners.

In yesterday’s post, Mr Wong tried to reassure Singaporeans that HDB flats are a “good store of asset value”. Retirees, he pointed out, can monetise their asset in three ways: By selling the remaining lease back to the government under the Lease Buyback Scheme, downgrading to a smaller apartment, or subletting one’s flat.

What Mr Wong doesn’t realise, or cares little about, is that all these measures entail elderly people to regress in life. They force retirees to make sacrifices and go through difficult times when they should be living out their retirement in peace and security.

Partially renting out ones’ flat comes with risks and problems of ending up with an unreliable or untrustworthy housemate. The other option of downgrading means having to relocate and breaking friendships and community bonds forged through the years.

One of life’s goals is to work hard in our younger years so that we can live in relative comfort in our twilight years. What is the point if we cannot make such progress in life?

Doesn’t our National Pledge promise to “achieve happiness, prosperity and progress”? How is subletting and downgrading our homes at the end of our lives considered progress, much less prosperity and happiness?

Having worked diligently, played by the rules, and dutifully paid one’s taxes, retirees should not have to face such anxieties at the end life’s journey.

Such an outcome can only be caused by the PAP making money from the people by selling the people expensive HDB flats and leaving them with little funds to retire on.

The fact that the government has to come up with various schemes for retirees to generate income from their HDB flats testifies to the financial plight of many retirees in Singapore. These measures are a damning, if tacit, admission by the PAP’s of its greed and perversity when it comes to the HDB’s profit-generating scheme.

Yet, Mr Wong has the gall to insist that Singaporeans enjoy “significant subsidies” when we purchase HDB flats. Repeated calls for the government to open up HDB accounts for public scrutiny have met with stubborn silence.

To overcome such a problem, the SDP proposes the introduction of Non-Open Market (NOM) flats. Under this initiative, a segment of new flats will be priced at cost, that is, reflecting administrative, material, labour costs only without the land “cost” that is currently factored in. Such a scheme will effectively halve the current price of BTO flats.

As the name implies, however, flats bought under this scheme will not be allowed to be re-sold in the open market. Owners wishing to dispose of their NOM flats will have to sell them back to the HDB.

Those who wish to re-sell their flats in the open market can continue under the present arrangement.

More more information about NOM flats, please read the SDP’s policy Housing A Nation.


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36 Responses to “Downgrade or Sublet? What’s the Point if Retirees Cannot Make Progress in Life”

  • oxygen:

    PAPpys are most UNLIKELY to adopt the wise NOM housing scheme of SDP’s proposal.

    Why?

    Because it means they have to admit publicly their

    - public housing scheme as of current is a SCAM

    - encouragement of CPF use to fund the HDB scam of fake home ownership is also another SCAM

    - and they craftily bundled the SCAMS together to blindfold gullible naive and uninformed peasantry.

    To abandon these SCAMS in favor of SDP’s NOM proposal means dismantling both very lucrative SCAMS which they can’t forgo of extraction of our retirement money savings.

    It won’t happen anytime soon unless voters put in SDP in big numbers into that notorious house of the most expensive irrelevant decorations.

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  • Old Moon:

    Why don’t we keep it simple here? The government overpriced the HBD flats that resulted in the massive transfer of wealth from the working class Singaporeans to the government.
    As the working class had overpaid and therefore left with very little or nothing for other needs.
    The situation will get worse due to the rapid aging population and is a ticking timebomb.
    In the end, the PAP government will have to solve it, it cannot just walk away. I don’t think it can imagine if it tries to walk away!

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  • Housing too costly:

    The basic problem is the HDB flat is too costly and leave too little cash for retirements for many Singaporean…
    to have a quality of life for retirements…

    To downgrade and other options to supplement one income to survive is not an ideal situation for most if given a choice..

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  • LIONS:

    Many of yhe HDBs your grand-parents bought after their land got acquired are now running out their 99 “LONG” year$ leasehold.
    Our grandparents were forced to give up their FREEHOLD HOMES for 99 years obes from the PAP.
    Our parents who worked hard n managed to buy their own HDBs will probably have to pasd them to their kids if they gave enough savings still for basic living; else,they too will have to SELL THEIR FLATS to SUPPORT THE FAMILY if thry become JOBLESS?

    So,what will the govt do?

    This,plus the fact that the SCHOLARLY PAP GAHMEN selling HDBs to NON-sgs who capitalise on rhese flats make it tough for many aspiring HDB OWNERS to buy their homes?

    In the whole proce$$,who are the GAINERS,and,who the BIG LOSERS???
    The GAHMEN N THEIR FTs/PRs who stole our jobs with the PAP’s HELP,are the GAINER$!
    Common sg families are the BIG LOSERS!

    I strongly urge the govt to STOP ALLOWING NON-sg economic scavengers to ABUSE THE DAFT SYSTEM.
    Furthermore,i suggest that the fahmen show some consideration to its citizens by considering to EXTEND THE HDB LEASE to A LONGER TIME-FRAME withback-dating for those whose flats are older.

    Else,HOMELESSNESSwill be even more of a NATIONAL ISSUE soon.

    It is the govt’s sacred duty to ensure ita policies are PRO-SINGAPOREANS FIRST before all other considerations.
    Whats wrong to have SINGAPOREANS FIRST POLICY?

    Are the gahmen A SINGAPOREAN GOVT OR ARE THEY THE UNITED NATION????

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  • Wrong Cunt Sing:

    Why does he look like a boy yet matured enough?

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  • Failed Elites:

    Cpf, flat ‘bye. Woody’s swiss standard.

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  • New Egg Yoke:

    This snake LW is dangerous. Look at his rat face. Beware, he is now scheming to power grab to rule this Stinkyland. He’s simply the flip side of the Pinky coin.

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  • LIONS:

    It is important for the GOVT to consider to START BUILDING RETIREMENT VILLAGES ASAP.
    Currently,the HDB only builds some kind of “retirement flats” situated among the normal flats in a haphazard manner.
    Msrriously,many of these “retirees” live in SOLITAIRE as the YOUNGER RESIDENTS do not really INTEGRATE with them.

    Retirement Viillages can help in the AGEING process as like-minded retirees can n will INTEGRATE BETTER N CAN JAGA AFTER EACH OTHER more closely.

    There can be ECONOMY OF SCALE IN TERMS OF MEDICARE like geriatic medicine to physiotherapy etc.
    Clinics can be located within the retirement villages to cut down travelling time n to assist in easier mobility n this will help to FREE UP PUBLIC SPACE FOR THE YOUNGER MORE MOBILE residents?

    Its is not too early to start building these retirement villages as procastinating will cause more socio-economicissues going firward.
    Such flats in retirement villages can be of a range of categories n priced afffordably n can be NON-TRANFERABLE n to be RETURNED TO THE GOVT when the retiree or couple pass away.In this way,the the SOCIAL COST TO THE GOVT CAN BE REGULATED n MINIMISED.

    Minister Lawrence Wong,all your predecessors have only offered help to younger sgs as well as PRs,it is time to do something for our AGEING NATION BUILDERS.

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  • KNN:

    PAPies will never implement NOM flats. Why?!?!?! Because when people see the actual cost price of a new 4-rm flat as $150K, the WHOLE OF SINKIES will become non-stupid & overthrow PAPies. They wouldn’t even wait for the GE — hundreds of thousands of Sinkies will march on the streets towards parliament & istana.

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  • Hell o:

    AhWong if I ask you to rent out your room during the last period of your human life, now often considered to be the years after 65. You don’t feel I am actually asking you to prostitude yourself.
    The rotten PAPaya has failed the peoples of Singapore if any of the them dare to suggest renting out our homes again instead of coming out with better ideas.

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  • Only For Dafts:

    You put idiots in parliament, you get plenty of unnecessary shit in return.
    Why vote in someone who destroy value for you?
    With a cavalier CB mouth, idiots created unnecessary mess and hardships to this country.

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  • Who is his biological?:

    Who is his biological?
    Is he part of family tree? Directly or indirectly?
    Legit or not?

    Yours ChupCheng kia

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  • Kick Them All Out:

    You kick out this government and start unwinding the mess now, high chance that everyone could still retire in peace.
    Curl back what they had taken, everyone will retire rich.
    They can lie but they cannot hide. Everything will be taken back.
    That’s why they are so afraid and finding all ways to perpetuate their power.

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  • Amos humiliate L*L and PAP:

    L*L has made public housing in Singapore the “mother-of-all” scams. HDB flats became massively over-priced when HDB started buying land from SLA at a price determined soley by the Government’s Chief Valuer. This depletes the CPF accounts of Singaporeans when they buy an HDB flat. After they have paid for the flat by the time they retire they no longer have any money to live on so they have to sell their over-priced flat (i.e., “downgrade”) by buying another smaller flat from the HDB to get a “grant”. They get scammed a second time because the smaller flats are also massively over-priced.

    This HDB scam makes billions for the Government each year which the PAP to “buy votes” during elections so it can continue to pay its office holders millions each year which they do not derserve. Isn’t this big-time corruption?

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  • 99:

    Sinkies downgrade in their retirement while pappies upgrade themselves even when working to GCBs!

    99 years flat expires on the eve of 99 years! Not on eve of 100 years!

    The flat will be pulled down n the land return to the pappies at no cost! Pappies will then put the land for auction! In 99 years’ time, the same piece of land will probably cost $1 billion!

    Poor Sinkies, 69.9% of them continue to suck eggs!

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  • Educator:

    Almost every retiree both hands and feet up in the air support PAP.

    So,do you see how irrelevant this article is?

    Ownself talk to ownself?
    Ownself masturbate ownself?

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  • RDB:

    A. All the blame lies squarely and solidly on late Lee Kuan Yew I’ve repeated said. His Megalomania mentality looked down upon the very poor whom he depended on for their votes to come to power in Sept 1959. And the amazing thing is that more and more to the point of SG50, there were late middle age and even PG men who call him “Ah Kong”?
    Q1. Aren’t they the very ones LKY called them daft after having made them so?
    Q2. And does or has LKY legitimized his calling them daft after he had despised them as?
    Q3. Like that dumb as guy with wife holding an umbrella to shelter him from the rain BUT NOT those profusely running tears from his eye due to his profuse sobbing & crying for the whole world to see via internet streaming? It was LKY’s funeral or his own grandpa’s funeral? Someone asked me if he would cried that way if it was truly his own grandpa?
    Q4. Amazing is it that 1 chap now gone to dust too like many before & all after him have too, can have such devastating effect on them he had despised to cry for him when he died like any other mortal?

    B. And so how does his closest ally Dr. Tony Tan Keng Yam, now shamelessly Sg 35 cents EP at 35+% ONLY thinks of the poor too? Did he once told that they PAP should not through good money at bad Singaporeans. Don’t have my reference for his exactly damnations words on hand, but as a Christian he said that? He doesn’t know that his Lord God Almighty told him in writing not to judge others: “For who are you to judge another? For are you perfect? If you judge another, my Father in Heaven will judge you in the manner you judge another”! He write his own Tan Keng Yam into God’s Book of Life har? And then “YAM-SENG Huat Ah” too har?

    C. And Goh Choke Tong LKY’s chosen Scrooge Stooge who Choked & Tongs many ordinary working class Singaporeans needs for a private car? Didn’t he make even babies pay COE+ARF+150% car import taxes too via their daddies and/or mummy too?
    Q1. Can trust him too a Scrooge of LKY? Never skived nor lied to us as POO PM2? Let’s see!
    Q2. In his 2001GE campaigning with LKY’s forever grinning Dr Tony Tan Keng Yam grinning by his side & as his DPM 2, they boht campaigned on Sg to be a KBE as in Knowledge Based Economy! What happened to that?
    Q3. A Knock Back Economy with tons of Indians etc to grow GDP by so-called “FTs” his sifu LKY commandeered him to right?
    Q4. Then gave his PM2 seat in 2004 only about 3 years later to LHL son of his sifu? Lied or not?
    Q5. When he HAD PROMISED in his GE2001 to achieve:
    1. Swiss Standard of living but like his sifu never detail even what year of Swiss Standard of Living? Lied?
    2. What of his other promised of World Cup football by 2010 too?
    Q6. Did he or LHL his then PM2 Designate promised to carry out PM@…

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  • Sinkies Deserve It:

    This is the promised Swiss standard of living by a seat warmer PeeM, who also signed the stupid Ceca with India. He called those smart and savvy Singaporean who left Singapore for good, Quitters. Looking back, Quitters made the right decision, and those daft sheeps who stayed behind get screwed left, right and centre.

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  • another clown:

    Look at this clown’s face! do you seriously think he cares a damn about the woes of the retirees!!??

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  • Somebody pays:

    SDP policy does not address the tax implication on the country at all. Underlying assumption seems to be that money grows on trees.

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  • Goh Choke Tongue:

    I wonder does he look more baby than his baby?

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  • Concerned Citizens:

    This is the kind of idiots that PAP minister comprises of, talking rubbish and behaves arrogantly. It is nothing unusual for this Lawrence to talk cock.

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  • shithappens:

    You cannot count on CPF to retire!

    Now they tell you sell your flat to get money to retire.

    These millionaire fockers are useless, they just want you to end up with nothing in the bank and when you die.

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  • self regulation is a myth:

    Let all who retire after 55 withdraw their hard earned money for retirement.

    How would the miw feels if they are told they cannot withdraw their own money from their saving account in a bank/financial institute?

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  • ahloong loves mingyang:

    my contractor friend who does hdb jobs say a 4 room flat cost not more than sgd200k to build so the rest of the money goes to who you all know la….

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  • ahloong loves mingyang:

    btw u never own a hdb flat u lease it from hdb as it is on a 99 year lease and its a pap scam…. U WILL NEVER OWN A HOME OR CAR IN SINGAPORE!

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  • Sad situation:

    The sad situation is many do not have much cash to enjoy a quality retirements…too much of their money is tied to housing and CPF…
    asset rich cash poor…

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  • conu eat shit:

    I migrated to AUSTRALIA more than 10 years ago.Life was very hard for the first 3-4 years.As they do not normally regconise any qualification from oversea one needs to be qualified locally.

    I just work in factory in the day and went to classes in the evening.My wife was not working.Once I was qualified and had local experience life was so much better.I did loose my job as few time but there was always centerlink support.Now I am earning $42 an hour.I have 2 investment properties beside my own home.I have take out my CPF.

    When I left Singapore friends told me that I will be treated as second class,I do not feel that way.The government sees me as an Australian.Unlike in Singapore you will always be a Chinese,Malay or Indian Singaporean.

    Singapore has IDIOTS AS LEADERS and these IDIOTS only think for themselves unlike the OLD GUARD OF THE PAP.TOP in maths and science but cannot think outside the box.

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  • Ruled by FEAR:

    Whatever the solution they come up with, i think is guaranteed to cost billions or a trillion.

    1 thing i am sure is i believe the money must cone from taxing the people.

    I do not think they can escape the 99 year lease expiry issue and also the cpf issue.

    I hereby declare my prophecy that singaporeans will discover these nightmares in 10 to 20 years time, even for the most ignorant ones.

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  • Dishonest Corrupt Evil Greedy:

    Old Moon:
    Why don’t we keep it simple here? The government overpriced the HBD flats that resulted in the massive transfer of wealth from the working class Singaporeans to the government.
    As the working class had overpaid and therefore left with very little or nothing for other needs.
    The situation will get worse due to the rapid aging population and is a ticking timebomb.
    In the end, the PAP government will have to solve it, it cannot just walk away. I don’t think it can imagine if it tries to walk away!

    Don’t pin your hope on them solving the mess. If they could they would already have done it. They are blinded by their own policies and only driven by greed. The great Temasek Hdb CPF ponzi scheme of milking the citizens cannot be overturned by them.
    it is far easier for outsiders and any oppositions to set things right again without the historical policies baggage. These evil pigs will not walk free. They will have to pay back what they had taken.

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  • Kick Them All Out:

    LIONS:
    It is important for the GOVT to consider to START BUILDING RETIREMENT VILLAGES ASAP.
    Currently,the HDB only builds some kind of “retirement flats” situated among the normal flats in a haphazard manner.
    Msrriously,many of these “retirees” live in SOLITAIRE as the YOUNGER RESIDENTS do not really INTEGRATE with them.

    Retirement Viillages can help in the AGEING process as like-minded retirees can n will INTEGRATE BETTER N CAN JAGA AFTER EACH OTHER more closely.

    There can be ECONOMY OF SCALE IN TERMS OF MEDICARE like geriatic medicine to physiotherapy etc.
    Clinics can be located within the retirement villages to cut down travelling time n to assist in easier mobility n this will help to FREE UP PUBLIC SPACE FOR THE YOUNGER MORE MOBILE residents?

    Its is not too early to start building these retirement villages as procastinating will cause more socio-economicissues going firward.
    Such flats in retirement villages can be of a range of categories n priced afffordably n can be NON-TRANFERABLE n to be RETURNED TO THE GOVT when the retiree or couple pass away.In this way,the the SOCIAL COST TO THE GOVT CAN BE REGULATED n MINIMISED.

    Minister Lawrence Wong,all your predecessors have only offered help to younger sgs as well as PRs,it is time to do something for our AGEING NATION BUILDERS.

    Retirement villages require encashing the current “assets”. Dafts cannot capitalize on that since the asset they are sitting on is Zero value without any buyback scheme. CB mouth Lawrence wong just shot his own foot and sabotaged the whole PAP policy. He will have to eat his own farking words soon. He is now a great liability to Pinky in the next election.

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  • Frog In A Well:

    conu eat shit:
    I migrated to AUSTRALIA more than 10 years ago.Life was very hard for the first 3-4 years.As they do not normally regconise any qualification from oversea one needs to be qualified locally.

    I just work in factory in the day and went to classes in the evening.My wife was not working.Once I was qualified and had local experience life was so much better.I did loose my job as few time but there was always centerlink support.Now I am earning $42 an hour.I have 2 investment properties beside my own home.I have take out my CPF.

    When I left Singapore friends told me that I will be treated as second class,I do not feel that way.The government sees me as an Australian.Unlike in Singapore you will always be a Chinese,Malay or Indian Singaporean.

    Singapore has IDIOTS AS LEADERS and these IDIOTS only think for themselves unlike the OLD GUARD OF THE PAP.TOP in maths and science but cannot think outside the box.

    You are wrong on one thing, these farking PAP pigs could think outside the box, but only for themselves. They have come up with many schemes to milk the citizens.

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  • caliew:

    I am in full agreement with SDP proposal. It make perfect sense, and Public Housing should never be built for profit or be subjected to Open Market. HDB itself is Public Funded Agency and it should all the while be managed as Cooperative, everything needs to stay Open and Transparent.

    I think the problem with Singapore is because Government has imported so many Foreigners and these people cannot enjoy the benefit of HDB and Government never provision for needs of accommodation for these people, so in order to control COST for Companies to be able to Enjoy Profit, the people’s interest was short changed, and all these was very much left unchecked for too long.

    Leaving the public interest to Open Market and subject to speculation is the biggest Crime PAP has done to the country, in selling out people interest for the gain of Cooperation.

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  • Not much to look forward:

    Seem that there is not much to look forward for many HDB lessee…
    Either you sublet or downgrade to survive in this world most expensive city…

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  • FEDUP:

    Pappy has morphed into a “(de)monetised” party no longer act for people’s retirement plan. Why the elderly cannot retire in dignity having to adjust by downsizing their flats or take the risk of letting in undesirable tenant & may endanger their lives.

    When Pappy asks elderlies to downsize to monetise their flats they say “rightsize” which cause much inconvenience and having to adjust to new environment as one has to relocate. Rightsizing is the wrong thing to do. What’s wrong about the size of flat one works so hard to pay for it?

    Enough of hypocritical action. Time to show real care for the retirees!

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  • Goh the Evil:

    Recently LHL advised Singaporean job seekers to be a lot more greedy, a lot more hungry and a lot lot more beastly ferocious job thief to compete with pap uncontrolled or rather NFL how and what to control imported foreign job seekers in their own country. This shows beyond doubts no matter how daft or stupid Dinkies are how important Singaporeans are in the mind of PAP MPs and ministers under his leadership and the quality of this and future generation of PAPists.
    When Goh demanded multi-millions paycheck against publicly held notion that dedication and public service mentality would surely compromised and the oath they each swear on their faith would be betrayed. Goh dismissed all those but not known to the public he already had betrayed those who voted confidence in him as PM in the National Referendum he called by succumbing himself for reasons only he knows to be seat warmer, a key success factor for Lee empiricism. Entitlement and betrayal seem inseparable.
    The root of evil leading to the plight of all old living Singaporeans is greed, arrogance and Huber of entitlement of PAP. The chief culprit is the chief evil. The whole horde of scumbags.

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