A vote of No Confidence

The feud of the First Family of Singapore is tarnishing the country’s international image as a modern city state. The feud has gone beyond sibling rivalries, or the fate of Lee Kuan Yew’s family house at Oxley Road.

The allegations raised by Lee Wei Ling and Lee Hsien Yang that their elder brother Lee Hsien Loong had used the organ of the state against them, and misused his position are very serious allegations against the office of the Prime Minister as they challenged the Prime Minister’s fitness for public office. Equally serious is the allegation against Lee Hsien Loong’s wife, the first lady,  for influencing the civil service. Meritocracy, the ideological bedrock of the ruling party, is also put to question when the siblings accuse the Prime Minister of harbouring political ambitions for his son.  Is Singapore going down the path of North Korea?

The allegation of the existence of a secret Cabinet committee and the discrepancies between what the PM articulated in public, and in private acts, raise serious concerns about political transparency. If any of the above allegations were true, parliamentarians would have to consider whether they could continue to have confidence in the Prime Minister. This is the good practice of any decent parliamentary democracy.

In the absence of a critical and independent press, the public is unlikely to be able to exert sufficient pressure on the Prime Minister, his cabinet, and parliamentarians to address these concerns. The SDP proposition for a public inquiry is likely to be ignored. A public inquiry would at best be a whitewash given what the siblings say about control in Singapore.

This is however the opportunity for The Workers Party, as the only opposition party with Members of Parliament, to show to Singaporeans what it meant by its aspiration to achieve  a world class parliamentary system. They could instigate a parliamentary motion of no confidence in the Prime Minister as a way to focus parliamentarian minds to reflect the public concerns over this saga.

While it is inevitable that the motion will be defeated, such an exercise would provide the opportunity for the allegations to be aired, and debated in parliament. It is within the power of the only opposition party in Parliament to take the lead in encouraging its constituents to present to their MPs what they wish them to articulate in parliament. If such a campaign is executed imaginatively, with the support of concerned NGOs, it could encourage constituents in PAP held areas to do the same. Unprecedented it may be, this first family feud and the level of public concerns generated are also historically unique. Elsewhere in the world, we are experiencing new politics, why not Singapore.

This proposed movement for a parliamentary motion of no confidence in the Prime  Minister will test the calibre of the cabinet and the MPs. The entire system of politics in Singapore is under attack following the release of the 6-page letter by the siblings of Lee Hsien Loong, and politicians can no longer bury their heads in the sand as though it’s “business as usual”.

 

 

Tan Wah Piow

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52 Responses to “A vote of No Confidence”

  • WP to act, FAT HOPE!:

    In this write up Tan Wah Piow urged WP MPs to raise public concerns relating to the Lee Family feud in parliament. Fat Hope, it is just like sending people to live on the moon! All this while even matters concerning foreigner influx and mass retrenchments did not prompt WP to do anything, to speak up to do something for the suffering citizens,,all this while they are so quiet so meek so Boh Chup in and out of parliament, do you think that they will risk being sued by LHL and his ministersby speaking up on this matter? Opposition party leaders have weighed in on the family feud and raise concerns on the allegations of the LHY and LWL, have WP’s LTK or SL spoken up? We only read of a minnows member Bernard Chen made some mild comments relating to this matter that’s all!
    It is a sad thing that more vocal oppo members like CSJ, Lim Tean, Tan JS are not in parliament to represent us. Did we vote for WP just to help thier WP get an extra 16 K every month, all of them are rich enough, if they continue to keep mum and not doing anything for us, let us to boot them out in thenext GE. Put in CSJ, LT ,TJS !

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  • Flesh & blood no mercy:

    Pack of pappy ferocious dogs released for full scale attack and bite.

    Bro and sis have no choice and chance but to either fight or flee.

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  • rukidding:

    Interesting to see how this episode pan out !

    This clearly shows how far …these some Group of elected Ministers by the public are willing to “go” to “fight and wash dirty linen” over a simple property of a private affair…..and not even able to see the “damaged being done to its Country and its people” !

    How “selfish” !

    How “Arrogant” !

    How ” Stupid” !

    To our understanding,…a proposal of 50% Cash and another 50% to charity was offered.

    It was accepted…..so technically “dispute” closed…case settled.

    Then the “gentleman” who accepted….”turns around” and “started” using State organs to “explore” and “stop the demolition”?

    Simple Open and shut case.

    Why now even have “Outside people” ( people who are supposed to be most intelligent than us and obscenely paid by us )…coming to “help” by saying this ciock story and that cock excuse ???

    Who do these people think they are now ???

    GOD ?….or somebody “si peh a sai”, “Lan si Lan Lek” ?

    You mean the offer was not taken up ?

    If Offer was not taken up…can you not see a “BIG problem ahead for the 50 years of Clean image”…( or you only can see and serve your boss’s interest )

    Si peh jia luck ….Eyes must have “Got Stamp stuck into it” !

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  • What are you waiting?:

    WP it’s time to say something. What are you waiting for?

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  • Lopsided Overloaded:

    Thats the whole trouble when you have a meek opposition who did not take up so many issues affecting the lives of citizens especially the lower and lower middle income struggling to put food on the table. The majority of the MPs will just pretend as if nothing has happened.

    If anything, there should be a referendum for the people to decide whether they still want him.

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  • oxygen:

    THE LAW ARCHITECTURE IN SINKIELAND IS UTTERLY FLAWED of construction. Why? It commingled the law advisory arm of the Government with that of its prosecution arm.

    THIS WILL NEVER HAPPENS IN DOWN UNDER. Australia has the Office of the Attorney-General and a separate Office of Public Prosecutions (OPP). The Attorney-General (AGC) Down Under is typically the elected “Law Minister”. He/she is the Government’s law adviser and the architect of law and its changes.Parliament is the legislator of law changes. If the AGC attempts at writing monkey law to fit the command of the incumbent politics in Government, either the Senate or the legislature can block its enactment. The AGC nor the Executive is NOT the law. Nor necessarily the defender of the law if its application is thwarted on compelling strong legal grounds i.e. a a member of the Judiciary is defamed or slandered as happened to Sir Michael Kirby – the AGC just stood idly by and watch to see if Michael Kirby would react or not. AS it turned out, Michael Kirby REFUSED TO SUE – for the sake of preservation of public respect of its Judiciary’s independence and integrity and public confidence in that institution. Imagine how ridiculous the farce will degenerate if AGC went ahead without consulting M. Kirby, he went to court and plea for a termination of prosecution while denying all those false allegation to ridiculous proportion level against him.

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/MonashULawRw/2002/10.pdf

    Down Under, the OPP is separate from the AGC – for very good reasons.If the law is mischievous, vague, or unconstitutional, OPP will not prosecute the State case against the offender. Neither does it litigate political outcome to favour incumbent politics whichever party in Government. OPP will decide on its own the merit or otherwise of legal pursuit according the law and legislative intent in that law construction.

    SO IN DOWN UNDER, – THERE IS INTERNAL CHECK AND BALANCE, if prosecution fails, it risks funding cut from Parliament. They have to conserve resources and fight only meritorious cases.There won’t be a case of CORRUPT political appointment by any political party to any permanency of AG position of “mates to protect mates” politics. OPP simply won’t prosecute frivolous political play – its AGC knows that. The AGC knows that it cannot win public confidence if it takes on the role of LAW ARCHITECT, LAW INTERPRETER, AND LAW PROSECUTOR i.e. the law, the judge and jury as adjudicator leveling on political connection to intimidate even the Judiciary.

    The check and balance will come when the law architect writes the law, the OPP interpret the law. No flawed ambiguous law will be litigated.

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  • Ah Fah:

    What are you waiting?:
    WP it’s time to say something. What are you waiting for?

    It is no longer about the house or the will. It is about the integrity of the Prime Minister.

    ‘As public officers, you steward public resources, you shoulder a heavy responsibility, and you must always act in the national interest, and not for your personal advantage.’ – Lee Hsien Loong, 13 January 2015

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  • Old Moon:

    Tan Wah Piow what an opportunist!
    We all know you have an axe to grind.
    You are a third rate politician!

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  • N.Jungne:

    Can’t even take care of own family, how then to take care of the Country, KNN.

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  • FatHog:

    Mr Tan does not understand the educated or general class of people in Sg. Beneath the exterior display of charitableness and civility, there is a shriveled soul, a twisted mind and a cowardly self centeredness.

    Lofty values such as honesty, integrity and honour are for the press to sing song on papers for wages. To rise and topple a regime who had delivered the services of a three or four stars hotel, depending on your social status for some HDBs cells, it is not going to happen. The people rather straddle the girth of the super trees in garden by the Bay, eat their MacDonald before swinging themselves to Tuas for icy coke.

    Wayang Party, contented with 5 stars hotel pay, would go about frowning but stop short of actions that maybe too vigorously ruinous to their lacquered nail art

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  • mahalingam s/o shamulingum:

    PM Lee Hsien Loong might as well recuse from life.

    DPM Teo Chee Hern has come out openly and said, ‘I support the PM’ proudly.
    There DPM should recuse himself from the Ministerial Committee looking for ‘options’ to LKY’s Demolition Clause’ in his Final Will.

    H Affair and Law Minister Shanmugam should butt out of the Ministerial Committee. He has given advice to the Lee siblings and LKY reding thdemolition of the house.
    Morally and ethically, therefore Shanmugam should recuse himself as a sitting member of the MC.

    We are sick and tired of the meddlesome PAP government

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  • Monyet Hitam:

    Fat hope for WP to act, MPs busy counting their MP pay, and dogged down with managing Aljunied ward.
    Humans are pragmatic, self above country.
    Can forget about WP next GE.

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  • Shagmugen:

    Shagmugen is NASTY. Threaten little longan to sue.
    He should be taught a lesson.

    Only karma will teach him a lesson .

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  • Amos humiliate L*L and PAP:

    This is the final test for WP. It either acquits itself or confirms that it is PAP Team B. I am not hopeful. LTK is an opportunist and coward just like LHL.

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  • Small Case:

    @ Flesh & blood no mercy:

    Small case leh.

    China Chinese History have shown … e.g. What happen to siblings of YongZheng Emperor upon ascend to the throne after Kang Xi emperor. Many examples.

    Genting family after the father moved on. Many present examples .

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  • Small Case:

    Another china chinese history example …

    Tang emperor 秦王李世民 Li Shi Ming 玄武门之变 …

    七步成诗 … 曹操死后长子曹丕继位。曹丕唯恐几个弟弟与他争位,便先下手为强,夺了二弟曹彰的兵权;又逼四弟曹熊上了吊。此时就剩下老三曹植,曹丕深恨之。故命曹植在大殿之上走七步,然后以“兄弟”为题即兴吟诗一首,但诗中却不能出现“兄弟”二字,成则罢了,不成便要痛下杀手。

    Chinese culture …

    Still want to embrace China.

    Small case leh.

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  • Singaporeans losing respect...:

    If this drag on further, it may result in loss of votes for PAP in the coming PE and GE.

    No one man is bigger than a Party!

    Someone must put a stop as the Singapore pride is brought to shame and disrepute!

    No one dares to do it?

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  • Singaporean migrated to USA:

    @Oxygen, well explained the role of Aussie judicial system and AG in the context of democracy, I was reading some comments here about how similar Trump’s Russia probe with LHL’s ministerial committee. It’s such laughable comparison is beyond belief. In US where republicans have clear majority in senate and congress and Trump being president literally have a disfunctional government where a seating president is being investigated for obstruction of justice is the clear proof of democracy and independence of judicial system. No one is above the law and I haven’t even said a word about the daily humiliation a seating president faces from media and members of public yet.

    These understanding of western system clearly proves how ill informed singapore’s gross population is.
    One word of advice to Singapore’s opposition crowd, stop saying VTO. YOU CAN NEVER VOTE THEM OUT WHERE THE SYSTEM IS GROSSLY RIGGED. Generations after generations voting have never resulted more than 10% of opposition parliamentary seats!!
    Knowing how kiasu Singaporeans are it’s also an impossible ask to the Singaporeans to protest, so what are your choices? Actually choices are very few, delegitimization of government, show complete apathy and distrust towards government and call for not to participate in election, boycott the vote starting from upcoming presidential election. At least if the opposition supporters could do that at least for once there might be a hope. 40% people not voting in an election where voting is mandatory is clear delegitimization of a functioning government. You don’t have to hit the streets but do this bare minimum to show your distrust .

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  • Lampard Longan:

    It’s very heart-warming to see the elites being unhappy
    It’s one of the simple and rare pleasures in life.

    It’s a gift to mankind.

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  • PATRIOT of TEMESAK:

    Cannot lah!!! Wah Peow you too long away areddy…here must give face a bit leh!!!

    Get Oncologist Dr.Ang to declare his state of health as dire since there is a double dose of crab crawling all over him

    and…let him step down as PM…so everly body velly velly happy especially DPM Teo now got chance to be PM

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  • Old Moon:

    There is no perfect life and there is no perfect family. And by logical extension, there is no perfect marriage.
    The Lee family sage is at least a consolation for those who need it.
    As for me, the drama has just started.
    There is be a happy ending for Singaporeans.

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  • Pink Noise:

    Vote of no confidence ??? No going to happen here in Singapore ! What the MPs want is just to collect their $16k monthly allowance, sit back and shut up !!! Maybe attend a few parliamentary sittings and collect more allowance….and that includes the opposition MPs. KNN MF MPs !!!

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  • oxygen:

    @ Singaporean migrated to USA.

    I LIKE THE JUDICIAL ARCHITECTURE Down Under, even MORE is their selection of judges to sit on the HIGHEST BENCH of the land – the HIGH COURT OF AUSTRALIA. These are USUALLY COME from the brightest legal silk minds in the PRIVATE SECTOR – not the public sector through the Attorney-General Chambers where dumbfarked lawyers write legislation only to find later it is TOTALLY FLAWED OF APPLICATIONS IN THE COURTROOM TEST or DISCREDITED of LEGAL LAGOONS EVERYWHERE.

    In Down Under, it will never been recruitment into the High Court of idiots from the AGC who have proved their “competence” (read doggies prostrated on all 4 loyalty to the God Emperor/Empress or some remote Empress Dowager in hidden of invisible POWDERFUL HANDS secretively groping & molesting the GONADS of law illegality) where the ruling politics is confident of future legal judgement of strange outcomes when jsitting judges know their life-long tenure, paycheck and pension depends heavily on them NOT understanding the law and its applications.

    Australian high Court judges know that if they are retired early by the squeeze of their GONADS of political pressure, they can easily return to private practice and MAKE A LOT BETTER MONEY than they sit on the bench on public paychecks. So they know they can give Canberra a kick in the t*sticles when it is found wanting. You have wik decision and you saw a peasant ex-gardener, Eddie Mabo, working in the University of Newcastle -without financial assistance or legal aid of any kind – fought the Commonwealth backed by the deepest pocket and access to the brightest legal mind money can buy LOST THE CASE TO A PEASANT IN THE HIGHEST AND FINAL COURT OF LAW DETERMINATION.

    It made history that will survive the life of civilization Down Under.

    Any dumbfarked law cockroach walking into the public library Down Under and look at the monographs of its corporate law enactment. It fills up two shelves – ONE IS STRUCK BY THE EXTENT OF LAW CHANGES AND ENACTMENT TO REFLECT CHANGING LAW LANDSCAPE AS A RESULT OF CHANGES THE WAY THE GLOBAL BUSINESS IS EVOLVING.

    Corporate law is A MOVING FEAST Down Under that keeps the AGC too busy to visit the toilet to ease the pressure on the GONADS instead of spending time FOACKING with politically tainted intrusion into the lives of private citizens.

    Singaporean migrated to USA: @Oxygen, well explained the role of Aussie judicial system and AG in the context of democracy,

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  • New Egg Yoke:

    I have always maintained that all these PAPsmear traitors be tried for treason and capital crimes subject to CAPITAL PUNISHMENT!!! I have GRAVE concern if not done otherwise that this CANCER will totally infect everyone and drag the whole nation into absolute destruction by force.

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  • Older Moon:

    There is no perfect opponent, there is no perfect opportunity, and by logical extension, there is no perfect way to tell someone is an opportunist, in politics!

    There is no perfect axe, there is no perfect way to grind an axe, and by logical extension, there is no perfect way to rate a politician, in life!

    Old Moon:
    Tan Wah Piow what an opportunist!
    We all know you have an axe to grind.
    You are a third rate politician!

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  • Sperm is Sperm:

    I question if WP if its considered as a true Opposition political party in terms of their style and behavior and issues they avoided raising and the style of their speaking up on issues.

    I say we get rid of workers party for good. They are a waste of resources.

    The longer they exist, the worse for sg democracy.

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  • Uncle Lim:

    No Shame Morgan said Sporeans are sick and tired of the whole saga. Are we?

    In fact we are sick and tired of No Shame Morgan spouting self righteous nonsense and preaching to us.

    He’s so proud to be a Cabinet minister after years as a quiet backbencher.

    If it goes to court will he allow a QC to defend the siblings?

    One day you might even be kicked out from politics.

    How have you served Sporeans?

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  • Uncle Lim:

    What are you waiting?:
    WP it’s time to say something. What are you waiting for?

    They are scared to say the wrong thing and get sued. They see where the wind blows first. It’s always been like that.

    Low should step down. He
    Is an anaemic politician now.

    Why look for trouble as the Chinese saying goes. $16000 a month JIE BOH LIOW. Why ZHAO MA FAN?

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  • nizhemoshou:

    TJS, LT and CSJ mus take another step if their calls for open inquiry are ignored by pap govt- organize protests at speakers corner. Better still, do it together .Can expect a good turnout.

    Never mind if pappies still remain silent. The whole purpose of protests is to keep up the pressure on them n not let them sweep the matter under the carpet wihout strong protests from citizens.

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  • Huge Salaries Huge Mess:

    Tan WP is still dreaming. Sillypore is not only a fake democracy but a greedy dictatorship.
    There is only one natural aristocrat and ruler, the rest are just dogs.

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  • LHL should step diwn:

    Sperm is Sperm:
    I question if WP if its considered as a true Opposition political party in terms of their style and behavior and issues they avoided raising and the style of their speaking up on issues.

    I say we get rid of workers party for good. They are a waste of resources.

    The longer they exist, the worse for sg democracy.

    Agreed.

    And to think I braved a downpour at their rallies.

    They no longer exist for me too. Unless there’s a change of leadership. People are watching WP but they couldn’t care less.

    Its supporters should stop their blind loyalty. See where it’s taking them to? Ok thumbs down as much as you like but the reality is that the writing is on the wall.

    Stop making appeals to WP to speak up.

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  • First Thing First:

    Sperm is Sperm:
    I question if WP if its considered as a true Opposition political party in terms of their style and behavior and issues they avoided raising and the style of their speaking up on issues.

    I say we get rid of workers party for good. They are a waste of resources.

    The longer they exist, the worse for sg democracy.

    Dafts can question that later, they should focus all their simpleton mind and energy on getting the truths out from Pinky first.

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  • LHL should step diwn:

    Shagmugen:
    Shagmugen is NASTY. Threaten little longan to sue.
    He should be taught a lesson.

    Only karma will teach him a lesson .

    Why people of Chong Pang voted for him is beyond comprehension. He acts and talks like a bully.

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  • oxygen:

    THE CIRCUS PERFORMANCE SHOW in Sinkieland proves the reality of this fact – the bigger the paycheck, the bigger the mess and the smaller the performance of national outcomes.

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  • Jungle boy:

    It is like trying to talk to tigers: “why cant you tigers ah, learn to be vegetarian, & spare the poor deer, ok?, be kuai kuai lah!” LOL! LOL!.

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  • provocative posts:

    I wouldn't employ a Sinkie: I have lived abroad in a few other First World countries and when I compare the product of the SG education system to others, including many from Third World countries also, I find the Sinkie minds and personality the least impressive and have the least ability to think or have the least ability to come up with an intelligent opinion.

    I wouldn’t employ a Sinkie either.

    Being taxi drivers are just about what they are most qualified to do.

    I wouldn't employ a Sinkie:
    Yet here we have unimpressive unthinking robotic Sinkie minds mindlessly voting for more of the same – asking for more suffering.

    Somehow, I find the above provocative posts could apply equally to those who voted for WP too.

    http://www.tremeritus.com/2017/06/15/ex-pmets-driving-private-cabs-taxi-drivers-your-time-is-up-really-soon/#comments

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  • Confucius Upbringing:

    LHL should step diwn: Why people of Chong Pang voted for him is beyond comprehension. He acts and talks like a bully.

    The PA handled the voting process right?
    So, we no need to worry. It’s conducted properly I am sure.
    PA is non-PAP RIGHT?
    We singaporeans not just top in the world in maths and science but also very smart wor.

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  • Lee Juan Yew:

    I think we should give WP another 20 years for them to develop.
    I am sure they will improve in our life times.

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  • PAP meritocracy:

    mahalingam s/o shamulingum:

    DPM Teo Chee Hern has come out openly and said, ‘I support the PM’ proudly.

    From Civil Servants to judges to PAP cronies to Cabinet Ministers, if you want to protect your ricebowl and enjoy the rewards and lavish privileges heaped onto you for your unquestioned loyalty, what would you say?

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  • Gang of Four:

    One is reminded of the Gang of Four in China.
    Here we have:
    Lawless Wong
    disGracefu
    Shame-moo-gum
    Big nose a.k.a. Pinnochio Teo

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  • 騙的传人:

    騙龙你无法管好弟妹和家庭。怎么管理国家。怎么管理六百万人口。你辞聀吧。国家要找比你能幹的人才多的有餘。你不適合。快离开吧骗龙。求求你快快辞聀吧骗龙。

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  • Kunt Museum:

    If the allegations were true,
    Is it a criminal offence to insert a clause into a will without awareness of old people who signed the doc?

    Will Fern be prosecuted and i dont mean persecuted?

    Yours
    Amos Lee

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  • oxygen:

    @ Kunt Museum

    IT CAN’T BE TRUE OF THE ALLEGATIONS, I have compelling apprehension. On the contrary, I have every reasons to believe that the final WILL as asserted by LHY is correct in all finality. Please let me explain why.

    PAST TENSE IS NO FOOL, he is a smart lawyer in criminal law. He would instinctively smell a mischievous will or one that is out of order (if such one is offered for his signature). If he was a peasant, it is arguable that he might have been deceived. BUT this is NOT the case, he signed 6 other wills on the same subject matter prior – do ANYONE seriously think he signed 6 other will like a bloody stupid fool hookwinked by someone each time, maybe by different authors too? Come on he is NOT a 5-yr old peasant kid. His intellect is HARD TO MATCH even on the global stage. This is a man of outstanding superlative description of intelligent read and discriminatory decision thought process. The earlier 6 will he signed is NOT accused of fraudulent derivation – THE LAST ONE HAS GOT TO BE TRUTHFUL AS WELL.

    There is also his initial near the demolition clause – a point the whole world knew he is in agreement of. By putting his initial there, it evidenced

    - his awareness of the clause which means that if he changed his mind on demolition issue or any other indeed – HE WON’T SIGN. There is no evidence that he change his position on demolition wish.

    - his agreement of the subject matter of demolition in particular, among others, and he has read its content on that disputed clause and agreed to its inclusion in the final will.

    UNTIL AND UNLESS THE CONTRARY IS PROVEN, there is no evidence that his assent via his initials near that clause has been fraudulently brought. How many seconds do one take to read a small paragraph of maybe one line change to the final will?

    PAST TENSE KNEW HIS TIME TO TERN SUA is short. It law terms, his final utterance in oral words and written are GOOD ADMISSIBLE EVIDENCE. He has NOT orally conveyed his objection to the last will or call for his own legal advice/assistance. His written signed will stands because a dying man has nothing to lose to tell the truths & complete truth and nothing to gain personally from telling lies. Death-bed confessions and utterance are GOOD SOLID CREDIBLE EVIDENCE in law applications.

    Who wants to refute me on this one?

    I believe no others. PAST TENSE CAN’T BE DECEIVED.

    Kunt Museum: If the allegations were true,
    Is it a criminal offence to insert a clause into a will without awareness of old people who signed the doc?
    Will Fern be prosecuted and i dont mean persecuted?

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  • LIONS:

    LOONG ago before his siblings lost confidence in him,i oredy ‘HAD’!

    What with daft ft policy n such.

    putting wife to helm TH just shortly after she was replaced by angmoh and after BIG LOSSSES merely recovered?

    the country is going to be SINGKINGpore if he CONtinues to be pee M.

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  • ajak:

    As much as would like to see a change of government , I am fated to die knowing it would not happen for the next 50 years. why ? very simple. don’t talk about the increasing number of new citizen coming to our shore but I myself have noticed that many rich singaporean (doctors, lawyers, businessman, pilots, WP members etc) are very comfortable with their lives.
    Look at the last GE. CSJ thought he could win at Holland-Bukit Timah but failed miserably. Why?? because there the majority are rich people. You think they want to give up their lives? No.
    Look at Marine Parade. Don’t expect to see many common folks . It’s the rich in the many condos who are actually voting PAP.
    Aljunied comprises of many old, not so rich people. They are the ones not satisfied. that’s why they voted WP but if WP is deaf, they will lose their monies. their last win last barely.

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  • 虎父无犬子:

    Old man have said in parliament he wants it demolished.
    If singaporeans regard him as a respectable wise man, they shouldnot expect he would U-turn on such a serious matter to him.

    I doubt there is anyway the pap can prove beyond doubt that its old man’s will not to demolish the house.

    Given this case cannot be proven either way,
    the house shall be demolished based on the announcement by old man in the parl.

    Singaporeans should respect a dead man.

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  • 虎父无犬子:

    oxygen:
    @ Kunt Museum

    IT CAN’T BE TRUE OF THE ALLEGATIONS, I have compelling apprehension. On the contrary, I have every reasons to believe that the final WILL as asserted by LHY is correct in all finality. Please let me explain why.

    PAST TENSE IS NO FOOL, he is a smart lawyer in criminal law. He would instinctively smell a mischievous will or one that is out of order (if such one is offered for his signature). If he was a peasant, it is arguable that he might have been deceived. BUT this is NOT the case, he signed 6 other wills on the same subject matter prior – do ANYONE seriously think he signed 6 other will like a bloody stupid fool hookwinked by someone each time, maybe by different authors too? Come on he is NOT a 5-yr old peasant kid. His intellect is HARD TO MATCH even on the global stage. This is a man of outstanding superlative description of intelligent read and discriminatory decision thought process. The earlier 6 will he signed is NOT accused of fraudulent derivation – THE LAST ONE HAS GOT TO BE TRUTHFUL AS WELL.

    There is also his initial near the demolition clause – a point the whole world knew he is in agreement of. By putting his initial there, it evidenced

    - his awareness of the clause which means that if he changed his mind on demolition issue or any other indeed – HE WON’T SIGN. There is no evidence that he change his position on demolition wish.

    - his agreement of the subject matter of demolition in particular, among others, and he has read its content on that disputed clause and agreed to its inclusion in the final will.

    UNTIL AND UNLESS THE CONTRARY IS PROVEN, there is no evidence that his assent via his initials near that clause has been fraudulently brought. How many seconds do one take to read a small paragraph of maybe one line change to the final will?

    PAST TENSE KNEW HIS TIME TO TERN SUA is short. It law terms, his final utterance in oral words and written are GOOD ADMISSIBLE EVIDENCE. He has NOT orally conveyed his objection to the last will or call for his own legal advice/assistance. His written signed will stands because a dying man has nothing to lose to tell the truths & complete truth and nothing to gain personally from telling lies. Death-bed confessions and utterance are GOOD SOLID CREDIBLE EVIDENCE in law applications.

    Who wants to refute me on this one?

    I believe no others. PAST TENSE CAN’T BE DECEIVED.

    The author is dead.
    No one except the author can prove what is the truth.
    Your strong hypothesis is knly asgood as the anti-hypothesis.

    中国万岁!
    Obor 万岁!

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  • oxygen:

    @ 虎父无犬子:

    PAST TENSE IS SIGNATORY – there is at least one witness to that signature. The signed WILL is still a LEGAL DOCUMENT and a piece of evidence at law.

    THE SIGNATURE OF PAST TENSE IS NOT DISPUTED – only one piece of its content is – the reference to “demolition clause” which PAST TENSE initialed. His initial is NOT disputed.

    Question is – whether or not the WILL is still valid. If the entire WILL is accepted as “ADMISSIBLE EVIDENCE” – then those who refute it must prove its lack of legal standing and validity.

    In the absence of evidence to the contrary – and if the WILL is accepted admissible evidence – most likely there will be an outcome in a particular way. The considered evidences would include some of the points I noted i.e. PAST TENSE CAN’T BE DECEIVED, his last wishes of “death bed confession” meaning he is truthful of his signature, he didn’t sought legal advice or assistance to change that Will, the signature is not forged by fraudulent entry etc, etc etc.

    Note that hearsay evidence is NOT admissible.

    虎父无犬子: The author is dead.
    No one except the author can prove what is the truth.
    Your strong hypothesis is knly asgood as the anti-hypothesis.
    中国万岁!
    Obor 万岁!

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  • oxygen:

    CIVIL CASES ARE DECIDED on balance of probabilities of available “admissible evidence”.

    Only in criminal proceedings are outcomes need to prove beyond reasonable doubts.

    The standards of proof in civil and criminal proceedings are DIFFERENT.

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  • 虎父无犬子:

    oxygen:
    CIVIL CASES ARE DECIDED on balance of probabilities of available “admissible evidence”.

    Only in criminal proceedings are outcomes need to prove beyond reasonable doubts.

    The standards of proof in civil and criminal proceedings are DIFFERENT.

    What happens if the will is deemed invalid?
    No one gets the inheritance?
    Can his wealth be distributed to the people?

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  • oxygen:

    @ 虎父无犬子:

    GOOD QUESTIONS – I really don’t know the “correct” answer but I have thought about it earlier – it is going into a LEGAL STALEMATE of a LAGOON of no outcome to infinity.

    虎父无犬子: What happens if the will is deemed invalid?
    No one gets the inheritance?
    Can his wealth be distributed to the people?

    The 6th Will and earlier versions would have also been invalidated by the existence of the 7th Will – even if this last one is deemed invalid at law construction.

    Ordinarily, the likely outcome could be the court recognised NO VALID WILL exists in that case and the property (including the assets of furniture said to be donated to the National Heritage Board) reverts back to the original owners – PAST TENSE.

    In that case, I surmise PAPpys might encircled the assets by gazetting it as “national heritage” in guise of just nostalgia reality because if it was national heritage of invented ploy of another political poppycock – how come this was NOT disclosed to LHY earlier who bought a DUD and defective asset sold by LHL (he is privvy to the secret deliberations on “heritage ghostly fiction” instigated among Ministerial Committee)?

    If it was known earlier to LHY, he might not have paid $2 for it instead of tens of millions of dollars. LHY bought it already, it is his private property if this transaction is valid. But if the Will is invalid, even LHL have no legal title to 38 Oxley Road – that purported sale from LHL to LHY of 38 Oxley is VOID contract on ground of mistake at law. That means the title goes back to PAST TENSE.

    If the Govt gazette and compulsorily acquired 38 Oxley Road i.e. forcibly using administrative power to suppress invalidate Will (TCH already hinted this of Govt have to act as the Will is faulty even though court have NOT yet determine this to be so) it will set new legal precedent and give rise to public apprehension that this is a blatant abuse of State power and organ to exploit weaker vulnerable peasants – exactly as what LHY alleges. But that has problems too.

    Who does the state then pays for compensation to complete the contract? There must be a buyer and seller and there must be financial settlement made to the seller (even unwilling seller like PAST TENSE) EVEN IF IT IS $1. PAST TENSE HAS GONE TO TERN SUA. He does not have a banking account there to receive payment for his acquired property. And he may have all his banking account in Sinkieland close.

    The saga will be in limbo of legal lagoon.38 Oxley Rd will be a legacy of bitter family and national feud to stranded infinity.

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  • oxygen:

    @ 虎父无犬子:

    My personal view is that the best solution lies in LHL closing this chapter of unhappy event with his brother by PUBLICLY STATING THAT HE AGREES TO THE DEMOLITION OF 38 Oxley Road house in accordance with his daddy’s wishes.

    And the Govt can help to resolve this saga BY BACKING OFF this poppycock of preservation of national heritage. PAST TENSE has already said – no visitor to invade his (departed) privacy of his living, physical social space at 38 Oxley Road. If it was national heritage of relevance, he would not have asserted this demand when he was alive.

    LHY have already donated other assets i.e. furniture to National Heritage Board when 38 Oxley Road is demolished.

    If LHL agrees with demolition, the Govt has little ground or no legs to stand on – except hypocritical on false pretext of heritage – to butt into a private family matter which GCT and TCH has acknowledged so as well.

    The fact that the Parliamentary Cabinet committee have been in “conversation” with LHY & LWL confess and substantiate the inherent private family relevance in this subject matter.

    Why mess up their family and mess up this country as well.

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