Lee Hsien Yang responds to ESM Goh’s accusation

Mr Lee Hsien Yang

Prime Minister (PM) Lee Hsien Loong’s youngest brother, Mr Lee Hsien Yang has responded to Emeritus Senior Minister (ESM) Goh Chok Tong’s allegations that he and his sister, Dr Lee Wei Ling have a personal vendetta against PM Lee “without any care for the damage done to Singapore”.

Mr Lee was responding to ESM Goh’s remarks made in Parliament on Tuesday (4 July), where he questioned PM Lee’s siblings’ motivations for making public allegations about their eldest brother, PM Lee.

ESM Goh had said: “Are they whistleblowing in a noble effort to save Singapore, or waging a personal vendetta without any care for the damage done to Singapore?”

Dr Lee Wei Ling and himself had not intended to criticise the Government by making public their accusations of PM Lee, but instead, it was PM Lee who had “dragged the Government into a personal dispute”, said Mr Lee in his latest Facebook post on Wednesday (5 July).

Our private family dispute would have remained a private family dispute, if PM Lee had not used government agencies and a secret ministerial committee to force his way. Sadly, it is Lee Hsien Loong who has dragged the government into a personal dispute…

Mr Lee reiterated that he and Dr Lee had “made clear from the beginning” that they were not criticising the Government.

What we have said is that we are disturbed by the character, conduct, motives and leadership of our brother, Lee Hsien Loong. Since Lee Kuan Yew’s passing, we have felt threatened by LHL’s misuse of his position and influence over the Singapore government and its agencies to drive his personal agenda.

Mr Lee added:

In Singapore, the PM and his wife should not be above the law. The PM should abide by the same high standards that are expected of even junior civil servants. To show evidence that he has failed to meet these standards, is not to attack the Singapore system, but to preserve it.

Our father’s legacy is more than bricks and mortar. He made sure that all government officials acted with justice and integrity. He accepted nothing less than incorruptibility, especially for the very top. Singapore can yet live up to his legacy.

His post is reproduced verbatim below:

The government asks of us, “Are they whistleblowing in a noble effort to save Singapore, or waging a personal vendetta without any care for the damage done to Singapore?”

We are not making a criticism of the Government of Singapore, as we made clear from the beginning. What we have said is that we are disturbed by the character, conduct, motives and leadership of our brother, Lee Hsien Loong. Since Lee Kuan Yew’s passing, we have felt threatened by LHL’s misuse of his position and influence over the Singapore government and its agencies to drive his personal agenda.

Our private family dispute would have remained a private family dispute, if PM Lee had not used government agencies and a secret ministerial committee to force his way. Sadly, it is Lee Hsien Loong who has dragged the government into a personal dispute.

In Singapore, the PM and his wife should not be above the law. The PM should abide by the same high standards that are expected of even junior civil servants. To show evidence that he has failed to meet these standards, is not to attack the Singapore system, but to preserve it.

Our father’s legacy is more than bricks and mortar. He made sure that all government officials acted with justice and integrity. He accepted nothing less than incorruptibility, especially for the very top. Singapore can yet live up to his legacy.

Meanwhile, after “ownself judge ownself” in Parliament, PM Lee has left for Germany on Wednesday (5 July),  to attend the G20 Leaders’ Summit in Hamburg.

 

 

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70 Responses to “Lee Hsien Yang responds to ESM Goh’s accusation”

  • Juzef Ta:

    Kept well. Dr Lee Wei Ling and Lee Hsien Yang.

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  • Amos humiliate L*L and PAP:

    GCT’s brain must have died but nobody told him. One thing is clear GCT’s specialty is “heat”. He warmed the PM seat for LHL. Yesterday, he tried to take the “heat” of LHL.

    GCT should do what his daughter did. Be a “quitter” and leave Singapore for good. He would be doing the country a big service. He will be remembered for two things: (1) infamous Asset Enhancement Scheme and (2) failing to deliver Swiss Standard of Living. Instead Singaporeans got Swiss COST of Living with stagnant wages.

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  • XX Millions:

    Yang,
    You forget one issue: why did he make you pay so much? You paid XX millions, he paid $0! You are in total war. Hit it hard! Hit it where it hurts! Follow the money and the truth will come out!

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  • only LHY/LWL to cede, not LHL:

    In other words, ESM meant only LHY and LWL should cede, not LHL.

    If they don’t cede, it will be that they acted “without any care for the damage done to Singapore”.

    However, if LHL doesn’t cede, it will not be that he acted “without any care for the damage done to Singapore”.

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  • He is not my brother:

    If a big brother can cause his siblings to feel threatened by his misuse of power, he must be a darn horrible brother! And if he says he’s not suing to protect parents’ and family’s reputation, that must surely a hypocrite’s bullshit!

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  • JOHANNES:

    Hehehe, all the ministers must be pretending never heard anything.

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  • Good response:

    LHY has responded well and he is right. It is quite clear that LHL not only got his cronies to work behind the backs of his younger siblings but also failed to honor the wished of his father and mother.

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  • BuyMeBakKutTeh:

    Anyone wanna bet w me that this is the beginning of the end of LHL n Pap? Yes, we maybe dragged down a bit but I feel short term losses is better than another half century of ownself check ownself… what sort of govt would dare say such an egoistic thing? Or $600k is peanut? The funniest thing is to proclaim ” I did not abuse my power ” and let’s move on from here…. before this outburst my close friends who are die hard white supporters say I’m crazy talking BS bout Pap but now all ” mouth stuck w a reprodtive organ “! Am I happy? Yes of cos I am! But it took too long…. anyway, my appreciations to LHL and LWL for hitting the tight n hot spot of LHL! Change is finally coming!

    All intellects… please continue your good works of digging the truth and spotting all the lapses in legalities! Thank you all too!

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  • Conscientious Citizen:

    Goh Chok Tong’s remarks speaks of vermin and is absolutely absurd and ridiculous. Why would two siblings (not one but two) who’re also people of high standing but have no political aspirations whatsoever, want to go against the entire machinery of the government of which their very own brother is the chief? But GCT’s attacks on the two siblings has just double confirmed how parliament is being used by the chief and his high-end subordinates to systematically character-assassinate the siblings despite the siblings’ statement that they just want to see LKY’s will fulfilled.

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  • Total Stupidity Inc.®:

    It’s important to reject this nonsensical ‘proceedings’ which had devolved into a confused flame war with GCT consequentially erecting a gigantic straw man to attack LHY. His decision to vilify him in Parliament under cloak of immunity, is absolutely the choice of cowards. LHY had already clarified this as a private family dispute and would have remained so, had it not been LHL’s ‘abuse of state organs’. That double-dealing viper, Janadas Devan should’ve said it was PM Lee who consumed the Govt. and the entire nation into this. While PM Lee has superficially ‘coerced’ the entire population into believing the case is closed, he and his knee-jerk PAP apologists are falling into a trap of sand. Taken to its logical conclusion, the end result would actually be the negation of political power as such by PM Lee himself.

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  • flabbergasted:

    XX Millions:
    Yang,
    You forget one issue: why did he make you pay so much? You paid XX millions, he paid $0! You are in total war. Hit it hard! Hit it where it hurts! Follow the money and the truth will come out!

    Flush him out, take him to court.

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  • opposition dude:

    I sure would like to read what Hsien Yang would reveal about how exactly his good for nothing brother abused his position if he ever does so!

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  • Bapak:

    The only legal way to end PAP is through the vote. Lets see if our dafts will wake up.

    BuyMeBakKutTeh:
    Anyone wanna bet w me that this is the beginning of the end of LHL n Pap? Yes, we maybe dragged down a bit but I feel short term losses is better than another half century of ownself check ownself… what sort of govt would dare say such an egoistic thing? Or $600k is peanut? The funniest thing is to proclaim ” I did not abuse my power ” and let’s move on from here…. before this outburst my close friends who are die hard white supporters say I’m crazy talking BS bout Pap but now all ” mouth stuck w a reprodtive organ “! Am I happy? Yes of cos I am! But it took too long…. anyway, my appreciations to LHL and LWL for hitting the tight n hot spot of LHL! Change is finally coming!

    All intellects… please continue your good works of digging the truth and spotting all the lapses in legalities! Thank you all too!

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  • MarBowling:

    Amos humiliate L*L and PAP:
    July 6, 2017 at 12:58 am (Quote)
    GCT’s brain must have died but nobody told him. One thing is clear GCT’s specialty is “heat”. He warmed the PM seat for LHL. Yesterday, he tried to take the “heat” of LHL.
    GCT should do what his daughter did. Be a “quitter” and leave Singapore for good. He would be doing the country a big service. He will be remembered for two things: (1) infamous Asset Enhancement Scheme and (2) failing to deliver Swiss Standard of Living. Instead Singaporeans got Swiss COST of Living with stagnant wages.

    Response : believe this Old Coot Woody(with jee Kee Tua LAN stuck in his throat) is “ON HEAT” too!
    Since he has prostrate surgery to remove whatever down there, he has become the Chief eunuch to Mai Hum. So it’s not surprising, he is “ON HEAT” during Big Event, like the 2-day Wayang Kulit in Parliament.

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  • Hailansak:

    Ask people questions if you wanna be popular,
    Don’t turn to insult if have no basic for argument,
    An argument has three side, yours, theirs and the TRUTH

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  • Lye Khuen Way:

    Agree,” Good Response “. The PM has proven to me that he has learned wrong lesson from his late father.

    He brought up LKY’s going into Parliament to ” clear the air ” regarding purchases by him and his family and Justice Lai of properties before the Official Launches.

    Few accepted his atas ” get real ” claim of unsolicited offers and discounts.
    I would expect a upright senior to decline such curry favor offers.

    Well his son, the current PM thought it was a good precedent. So he drag his family’s dispute into Parliament.

    But the PM sadly with his warped logic could not see that the 2 days sittings is basically one-sided.

    His siblings cannot be in Parliament to participate!

    And he proclaimed that no evidence of Abuse was brought up! Who present in Parliament beside himself and a few Ministers had the facts? WP MPs? We are not 3 year olds.

    Good response:
    LHY has responded well and he is right. It is quite clear that LHL not only got his cronies to work behind the backs of his younger siblings but also failed to honor the wished of his father and mother.

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  • guan_ah:

    I would be too ashamed to face any other countries’ leader, let alone G20, if he can send his carrier ministers to OBOR China, he can send someone else too, why must he attend. Is HC with him ???
    If the accusations of misuse of power made by any other persons, these other person would have been sued for unsubstantiated allegations. But these allegations are now made by his very own siblings, highly educated and respected personnel in Singapore carry the very own family name.. there must be some truth – this is what perceived to be so by public.
    The entire parliament debate had seen the entire government machinery working for PM to “try” and “attempt” to clear the allegations, no efforts were spared but PM Lee’s position remain the same, weak, doubted and ashamed because the whole cabinet, entire government, had all wasted their valuable time to debate what appear to be a private affair, but for PM Lee made it a national issue. There are two parts to the allegations. PM Lee must and should made distinction and take the private affair away from the Parliament and bring it to proper forum. He cannot even distinguish this, he must fail.

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  • Ah Fah:

    Lao Goh’s role should be the peacemaker. He instead adds fuel to the fire.

    老吴应充当和事佬。但却在火上加油。

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  • Anonymously:

    Goh Chok Tong is sublimely perpetuating the myth which equates government to pap to leehsienloong, this is despicable.
    The condemnation of loong by his brother, is merely a complain against a person not the government per se. The fact that loong is PM no doubt could create certain instabilities for SG, but they are for sure TEMPORARY. It has to be temporary, because loong will die one day, is Singapore going to die too? Is Singapore so weak that the country will collapse if loong dies? We have to get off that mindset. Loong could die tomorrow or be impeached, it does not mean the person who started the impeachment is unpatriotic. WHAT MATTERS MOST FOR SINGAPORE’S SURVIVAL AND SUSTAINABILITY IS AN INCORRUPTIBLE JUST UPRIGHT GOVERNMENT ABLE TO GAIN RESPECT OF ITS PEOPLE NOT BY BACKDOOR MEANS BUT THROUGH HONEST DISCUSSIONS AND HUMBLE REFLECTIONS EVEN WHEN THINGS GO AWRY. The last 2 days of parliamentary circus is the greatest joke on earth. It does not instill confidence at the government of the pap, and it is this that will eventually lead to Singapore’s collapse,not Leehsienyang’s whistleblowing starting from 14 jun 2017.
    Gohchoktong was also extremely rude to lowthiakhiang when he said tanglianghon is not brother. Look at GCT smug arrogant face when he said that, i want to vomit .
    THE PM MUST BE NAIVE TO THINK THAT THINGS WILL GO BACK TO NORMAL JUST BECAUSE HE EXONERATED AND JUDGED HIMSELF INNOCENT AND BY IMPLICATION HIS BROTHER GUILTY. It is gross miscarriage of justice, there is no due process. He has to resign, because he is the greatest liability to Singapore now, due to THE WAY HE HANDLED THIS SAGA, not so much due to the issues itself per se. See the difference or not, it is subtle.

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  • Flickshit:

    Lau Goh is history. HE has forgotten that this statement that if a minister refused to sue for any allegation. He should leave the cabinet.

    So why he did not ask LHL to step down. He is just a past tense and forget about him, He only want to please his master….

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  • Extremely Senile Man:

    As usual, Woody thinks that he always has pearls of wisdom to offer and must say something to justify his existence

    What old man said is most apt, his words are as deadpan as wood

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  • Oxleymitis:

    Dear ESM Goh, if you cannot have anything sensible or credible to say – say nothing. LHY’s rebuttal is plain and simple. He and sister LWL are challenging their elder brother and not Singapore unless you think that Singapore = LHL and LHL = Singapore. Please, better be quiet than talk nonsense.

    I travel frequently and whenever I meet people overseas they ask where I am from. When I tell them I am from Singapore, invariably they asked “what’s happening to your Prime Minister”. They don’t say “what’s happening to Singapore”. Understand the difference, ESM?

    I just tell them my PM was suffering from a bout of “Oxleymitis” but he has self-medicated and believe he has recovered. Case closed.

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  • Hopeless:

    Ah Fah:
    Lao Goh’s role should be the peacemaker. He instead adds fuel to the fire.

    老吴应充当和事佬。但却在火上加油。

    Better for Kayu to shut the fcuk up.

    Nobody would say Kayu is dumb!

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  • flabbergasted:

    meanwhile…. the the one “supposedly elected” to protect us from a rogue gahmen and protect our reserves is keeping quiet and licking other people’s ass.

    perhaps he realised that he is not elected but “elected” ?

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  • Clueless:

    How can truth, justice and the peace on earth and good will towards men be done with a “house” that’s is built on legacy of a leader who is above the law?

    No wonder the father of the nation willed for “the house” to be demolished.

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  • 印度神油:

    Ah Fah:
    Lao Goh’s role should be the peacemaker. He instead adds fuel to the fire.

    老吴应充当和事佬。但却在火上加油。

    老吳调解失敗, 非常Tu Lan,所以火上加油,先保住自己饭碗。

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  • Own self Cleared Own self:

    PM Lee had in fact got himself into a more embarrassing situation by his declaration of “No Abuse Of Power” That drama in the parliament, without the other party, had proven that the PM wickedness scheming and planning in the one sided debate is a total FLOP. Not only the majority cannot accept, I believe the whole world must had wondered how a first world nation can have such a cunning leadership? A big shame, and please step down PM’

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  • George Orwell:

    TO LEE HSIEN YANG:
    Your multiple facebook posts leave most confused.
    Take your 6-page original document and expand it into a small book with all the facts stated accompanied by documentary evidence. State your specific allegations, backed by cited facts. Let PM respond to the allegations or sue you if they are defamatory.

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  • Ah hock:

    它是故意的!

    Ah Fah:
    Lao Goh’s role should be the peacemaker. He instead adds fuel to the fire.

    老吴应充当和事佬。但却在火上加油。

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  • Futile parliament sitting ,3/7:

    Parliament session over after 2 days, PAP MPs have defended him vigorously, and LHL has declared there is no wrong doing, all clear , case close, move on! But as predicted by many, the Lee siblings continue to make comments outside parliament. So what’s next LHL? convene another parliament session to refute their allegations, lift the whip and ask MPs to ask questions again what a waste of time and resources? As LTK has pointed out there are far more serious national problems in hand for the multimillion salaried ministers to tackle and not waste time on a family feud.
    Why not convene a ministerial committee to look at the train breakdowns as KBW is unable to do it and has remained quiet all the time taking his million dollar salary unashamedly.
    LHL shouted in parliament on last Monday that nobody is above the law not even LKY himself or his children and the rule of law is paramount in SG but on the same day when pressed he said that he would not sue his siblings for defamation because doing so would smear the name of his parents! So he contradicted himself on the same day but surprisingly none of highly paid MPs has rebutted him on this? Roy Ngerng must be angry, his allegations on the CPF issue did not damage the reputation of SG and the organs of state but the Lee siblings’ allegations did, but why no suing ? so all this nobody above law is a big Bluff????? There is no double standard practised by our leaders? Regrettably nobody asks Woody Goh why he did not press LHL to sue after all hie was the one to say that ministers must resign if defamed and refused to sue as there must be some truth in the allegations if the minister did not go to court! He has short memory or selective memory?Why Woody suggested mediation and hoped that the saga would go away over time, what a double standard.? Only ordinary citizens will be sued if they defamed the ministers,? family memebers are exempted?where is the rule of law , where is impartiality, SG law applied to every one? You think?

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  • Patriot Tan:

    If LHL was honest & care for his younger brother, he should hv paid for LHY & LWL share of the house at 150% of its market value & then proceeded to gazatte it. He instead made his brother paid him his share at 150% of its market value & worked behind his back to gazette the house which now belong to only his younger siblings! That’s double crossing. I feel he shud resign to delink the govt from his personal saga.

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  • Filial children:

    The two filial children just wanted to fulfill their parents wish. However according to them they were harassed by the state organs and worst still by a secretly formed ministerial committee. Now this ESM accused them of vendetta against PM Lee “without any care for the damage done to Singapore”. Hello this PorLumParment was suggested and convened by the very PM himself. The ESM’s brain must have been shorted and warped after all these years of collecting his money. From the layman’s point of view, he does not deserved this kind of remuneration. It is a blatantly wastage of taxpayers duit(money).

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  • henry:

    Are you kidding?

    LHL controls the Party ( Secretary-General )
    LHL controls Parliament
    LHL controls Civil Service ( via Teo Chee Hean )
    LHL controls Temasek ( Via Ho Ching )
    LHL controls Attorney General ( via Lucien Wong )

    you can add more to this list…

    So, you think he is going to back down and crawl into a hole?
    Ha! Ha! ha!… thats a good joke.

    ha! ha! ha!

    I tell you what LHL fears most:

    The electorate.. the voter

    But the voter’s heart is easily bought with Medisave top ups…
    Pioneer Generation Package, NS50, PAssion cards.
    No?.. your mum & dad not pioneer?
    No?.. you never did NS??
    No?.. you are not PAssion card holder ( enjoying discounts?)

    LHL fears the voter most of all.
    or elese he would not cry at elections and in Parliament.
    he cries because he cannot be sure about the voter.

    BE A VoTER that changes history.

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  • oxygen:

    LHY & LWL’s RESPONSES through the social media have ALWAYS BEEN MEASURED AND DIGNIFIED – you can’t find them trapped in windy happy contradictions.

    The CONDUCT & DEMEANOUR of both siblings CONVINCE me that their testimonies are CREDIBLE AND RELIABLE in this ignominy.

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  • halitosis:

    Surprised with Go lambasting the siblings and called them trouble makers instead of asking them to kiss and make up..

    Suspect the Lees trying to sieve out the “traitors” in the gang and Go has fallen into the trap.
    Go is history

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  • oxygen:

    LHY, I BELIEVE, sits on the board of a top Australian banking group. He has wide and deep corporate experience – tested out in the real world of business. I have not seen foreigners sitting on the board of Australian banks – this is telling of a man outstanding.

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  • ownself-rub-ownself:

    //Are they whistleblowing in a noble effort to save Singapore, or waging a personal vendetta without any care for the damage done to Singapore?//

    aiyoh. that’s why we need regular spring-cleaning (changes of good leadership) and no one person or family (like a super godly being) should be associated (or solely identified) with the interest of the whole nation for too long.

    definitely not like one ownself-check-own-check curry function party and ownself-rub-ownself congratulatory party.

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  • PATRIOT of TEMESAK:

    Amos humiliate L*L and PAP:
    GCT’s brain must have died but nobody told him. One thing is clear GCT’s specialty is “heat”. He warmed the PM seat for LHL. Yesterday, he tried to take the “heat” of LHL.

    GCT should do what his daughter did. Be a “quitter” and leave Singapore for good. He would be doing the country a big service. He will be remembered for two things: (1) infamous Asset Enhancement Scheme and (2) failing to deliver Swiss Standard of Living. Instead Singaporeans got Swiss COST of Living with stagnant wages.

    Goh, is waiting to DIE in office and accord a State Funeral with all the TangKis prancing around his coffin to sent him off…

    Meanwhile talking shit, travel @ our expenses with golf games to boot plus collecting his pension & Parliament allowance laughing to the Bank

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  • Senile gohkayu:

    So Goh, can understand English or not? You guys are govt scholars, education paid by taxpayers…….you all understand England of not?

    If not, better speak dialect, right?

    He is not criticizing the peeAyam! He is criticizing his brother and sister in the law!

    Understand now Goh Kaye! Or still need lifelong learning or in senility!

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  • John Doe:

    All I want to put on record, thank you to WL and HY for all their efforts over the last few days to come out, put up statements, to straighen out what lies the PAP machinery has gunned towards them and towards the Dumb Singaporeans.

    You have taken risks of damaging your reputation, your character and your future. You have faced a shambolic Parliament of the PAP govt managing a farce democracy which largely controlled a bunch of sheeps SUPPORTING LIVLIHOODS OF MILLION or so ALIENS WELCOMED by PAP to Steal local jobs and enjoy life in Sg.

    Please take care and continue to CHAMPION AGAINST the CORRUPTION of PAP wherein lies are NORMAL to tell citizens to protect PAP corruption.

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  • Bystander:

    High time this old fuddy former seat warmer ride into the sunset.
    Sticking onto his seat just to earn the 16K MP pay, ass lick to this level.
    An old trouble maker should at least shut his gap. Who cares about his 5 cent’s worth of trash talking.
    “If there is no evidence, well, why don’t you sue.”
    Tang Howe Liang is not his brother, that’s why the old fuddy must sue, if the former is his brother, he won’t sue. Stupid old man.

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  • N.Jungne:

    Now the CAN of laughing gas (made in Sinkapoo) has gone to Germany.

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  • PAP Payback Time ?:

    So can we now finally concur & conclude that one of the reasons for paying millions to Ministers has it own political hidden agenda behind it ?

    One particular old wooden brain claimed without the slightest evidence that the siblings want to bring down the PM ? Another chameleon brain cited jealousy as the reason as if he is part of the family.

    WTF, I suppose now is the payback time for those millions earned. When there is someone willing to take, there must be someone willing to give. As LKY once said, there has got to be a reason for giving. It simply can’t fall from the sky.

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  • C'est la vie:

    *****
    Well said “AMOS HUMILIATE L*L AND PAP”.

    GCT’s words of wisdom was well READ in parliament, and BRAVO to his speech writer. He probably needs to chew more gum or perhaps, raw tobacco and betel nut together, in order to lubricate and assuage his tongue to get round the “R’s” and “W’s”, otherwise he’s sounding like a recovering stroke victim !!! Unkind ………… perhaps, but truthful.

    Why was he even afforded a platform unless he believed that “his” would be the difference. Unless of course, been an ex-PM in SG accords one with privileges, pay and ……….. performance rights !!!
    **
    *****

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  • LIONS:

    From this episode,we can confirm that NONE OF THE CURRENT MIW dare to tell the TRUTH to LEE AH LONG unlike revered guys like DR GOH KENG SWEE who dared to tell LKY when he erred.

    So disappointed with PEANUT LAU GOH who actually takes side instead of offering honest advice to lee ah long.

    Familee matters aside,there are so many errant policies lee ah long makes but Lau Goh says nothing in the interests of common sgs.

    So,pls STFU if you havd nothing good to offer.

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  • Sr Citizen:

    Now it is Who is credible ? ESM or LHL. Acceptance of ESM judgement is now to be based on Trust. Trust has to be earned. Arguably, one generation trust LKY. Is ESM assuming that HE commands the same degree of trust as LKY that his judgment will be accepted. (The same goes for Tharman’s call for trust).

    Only the cult worshippers (70%) provide blind trust for the MIWs. That the government has this 70% majority, it is a moot point that this family squabble can damage the government further. It is already a damaged government that executes the one family/one party/government/nation model.

    This model has close resemblance to Oligarchy, etc. In most cases, such forms of government have to be sustained by force (Just wait for more force to compel compliance). Exceptional cases of success lie with brilliant patriots and a dominant tribe that is prepared to place a real nation (not this concoction) first. (Do you even have brilliant mercenaries leave alone patriots ?)

    p.s. The 70% is no better than the CHC worshippers who they rage at. LOL that they will move on to accept LKY legacy as defined by the White Aristocracy even without punishments (now).

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  • 2-person tag team:

    //LHY & LWL’s RESPONSES through the social media have ALWAYS BEEN MEASURED AND DIGNIFIED – you can’t find them trapped in windy happy contradictions.//

    exactly lar.

    2-person tag team vs the humongous white idiotic machinery with plenty of white plp kaki idiots trying to throw smoke to wriggle out of the stupig hole they have dug for themselves in all this wayang charade.

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  • RDB:

    @Amos humiliate L*L and PAP: July 6, 2017 at 12:58 am (Quote)

    GCT’s brain must have died but nobody told him. One thing is clear GCT’s specialty is “heat”. He warmed the PM seat for LHL. Yesterday, he tried to take the “heat” of LHL.

    GCT should do what his daughter did. Be a “quitter” and leave Singapore for good. He would be doing the country a big service. He will be remembered for two things: (1) infamous Asset Enhancement Scheme and (2) failing to deliver Swiss Standard of Living. Instead Singaporeans got Swiss COST of Living with stagnant wages.
    Rating: +81 (from 81 votes)

    And a lesser non-delivery for (3) 2010 world cup too!

    Blooming liar or absent minded “professor” not a Professori?

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  • oxygen:

    TO PROPOSE THIS HYPOTHESIS IN PARLIAMENT IS RIDICULOUS FANTASY, PROPAGANDA AND STUPID OF INTELLECT displayed. How can two private citizens contributing massively to society in quiet humble low-key existence is ever going to be capable of upstage the pinnacle of political establishment? If it was ever so easy of a takeover or simply dethroning of the last emperor by two person of no political means and/or resources to undertake such a huge undertaking, then the internal security apparatus as failed.

    Or the last Emperor needs to substantiate the insinuation with evidence OUTSIDE THE PARLIAMENT, not foraging for political capital inside the political zoo. It is false, undignified and divisive of a nation already ripped apart by this bitter ignominy – definitely unbecoming of a former head of Government.

    GCT:Are they whistleblowing in a noble effort to save Singapore, or waging a personal vendetta without any care for the damage done to Singapore

    Which is why I FULLY AGREE with this view.

    JOHANNES: Hehehe, all the ministers must be pretending never heard anything.

    Now that LHY has responded with dignified demeanour, WHAT DOES THE REST inside the political zoo uttering nonsense of zero intellect displayed NOW HAS GOT OF ANY REPLY?

    Or are the ZOOLOGICAL SPECIES just going to sit on the leather chair of high office paid for by taxpayers, continue to COLLECT their tax-funded HEAVENLY-HIGH paychecks and SUCKING THE THUMBS OF STUPIDITY AS WELL in this saga OF ZERO INTELLECT EXPOSED for public theatre and in permanent parliamentary records??

    LET US WAIT AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO RESPOND TO NOW – after that stupid rounds of political farting for public theatre.

    I have always asserted the House of the Most Expensive Decorations is filled with a lot of sychophants and walking dead caterpillars.

    Now who says I am still wrong?

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  • Bernard:

    I believe the story of LHY and LWL. For the simple reason that they have nothing to gain from this episode , i.e. exposing their brother and going public about their case, knowing full well they might subject to law suits and persecution by government machinery. Even if they “win” this case at best is they succeed in carrying out their father’s wish to have his house demolished but the reputation of the LEE family would already be tarnished.
    The parliamentary debate is one example of blatant abuse of state funds and resource; quite clearly it’s exactly what LHY & LWL has accused his brother off. So is the polling of civil servants. The PM’s explanation of not suing his siblings is completely illogical. Ordinary citizens were sued, jailed, bankrupted or made to pay high compensations for making accusations/remarks a lot less severe than what LWL and LHY had alleged. More over these allegations are coming from his own family members who are neither politicians nor political opponents. Certainly allegations from a family member carries more weight than a political opponents? LHY indeed had kept a low profile and away from public eye in spite of his father and brother being the PM. I really do not see any reason for him to malign brother or lied..
    The bunch of PAP MPs who spoke in the parliament were totally disgusting. You can tell they were grasping to rebut questions with actually answering truthfully the questions. Worse is the ass licker Janil and the Lau GOH. Lau GOH even accused LHY of sedition and treason. Sedition and treason is the highest offence in a country. Why is the government and PM not suing LHY?

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  • PATRIOT of TEMESAK:

    Senile gohkayu:
    So Goh, can understand English or not? You guys are govt scholars, education paid by taxpayers…….you all understand England of not?

    If not, better speak dialect, right?

    He is not criticizing the peeAyam! He is criticizing his brother and sister in the law!

    Understand now Goh Kaye! Or still need lifelong learning or in senility!

    This piece of SHIT with half a foot balance of the six feet in his GRAVE is still around sprouting NONSENSE….Imagine all if NOT half the Original Founding Generation were around and NOT forced into retirement by the USURPER LKY @ an early age some in their 50s & 60s… How would Singapore and its people turn out???..Can’t be worse since they were the ones who did the Dirty Work to built and prosper Singapore in the 1st 25 years with LKY using ONLY his BigMouth claiming all credits

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  • Sperm:

    henry:
    Are you kidding?

    LHL controls the Party ( Secretary-General )
    LHL controls Parliament
    LHL controls Civil Service ( via Teo Chee Hean )
    LHL controls Temasek ( Via Ho Ching )
    LHL controls Attorney General ( via Lucien Wong )

    you can add more to this list…

    So, you think he is going to back down and crawl into a hole?
    Ha! Ha! ha!… thats a good joke.

    ha! ha! ha!

    I tell you what LHL fears most:

    The electorate.. the voter

    But the voter’s heart is easily bought with Medisave top ups…
    Pioneer Generation Package, NS50, PAssion cards.
    No?.. your mum & dad not pioneer?
    No?.. you never did NS??
    No?.. you are not PAssion card holder ( enjoying discounts?)

    LHL fears the voter most of all.
    or elese he would not cry at elections and in Parliament.
    he cries because he cannot be sure about the voter.

    BE A VoTER that changes history.

    Everyone knows the extreme power they have making it very challenging for them to appear to be impartial and no conflict of interest.

    This is not the cause of the real problem behind all this .
    The real CAUSE is the extreme PSYCHOLOGICAL TRUST THE PEOPLE HAVE IN PAP.

    This is beyond rationale and logic and reasoning.

    Psychology is beyond reasoning.

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  • Sperm:

    Juzef Ta:
    Kept well. Dr Lee Wei Ling and Lee Hsien Yang.

    LHY for president!

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  • NotMyProblem:

    Everyone knew ESM Goh was the seat warmer for LHL to be PM. After 4 July 2017, we realise that ESM Goh is also LHL’s arse-wiper.

    He conveniently forgot what he had said about Minister must sue or resign when being defamed.

    He now also backside cleaner for LHL after he shitted!!

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  • Aspiring Historian:

    The uncalled for, unnecessary and over-kill display of Goh Chok Tong (from 4 July onwards I will not address him as ESM because he does not deserve oue respect any more) in our Sacred Parliament with his patronising Mafia-Gangster-like behaviour, as if he is the investigator, Witness, prosecutor, judge and jury – all in one – turning the case upside down and pronouncing the guilt upon the complainants instead of the accused Lee Hsien Loong. Such high-handed, irrational, illogical and preposterous behaviour only serve to reveal the hidden true colour of GCT’s heart – DARK BLACK! This would be the lasting legacy of Goh Chok Tong, if I am a historian writing a Book about him.

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  • Sue until broke:

    Goh Chok Tong really made a fool of himself by his last retort:
    “Tang Liang Hong is not my brother!”
    Hello, that was exactly Low Thia Khiang’s point: brother cannot sue, everybody else sue until drop pants!!!!!

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  • GO, CT?:

    how to ask the ESM to go now, leaving the govt without an ESM. if the govt can do without an ESM, then LHL will have no chance to stay in govt as ESM after he step down as PM. LHL sure want to stay in the govt, like LKY, as ESM until he die, right? very good money leh. ask Go CT about it?

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  • oxygen:

    @ Bernard,

    IT IS NOT MERELY DISGUSTING – it is also a STUNNING BEWILDERING DISPLAY of ZERO INTELLECT – incomprehensible.

    Bernard: The bunch of PAP MPs who spoke in the parliament were totally disgusting.

    This one nearly got me PUKE. She came from London School of Economics, worked in top management roles in banking sector in Sinkieland/Hong Kong and is a Director of Investment Group in Temasek International.

    http://wikivisually.com/wiki/Sun_Xueling

    Yet she uttered this SIMPLISTIC FIXATION garbage.

    Sun Xueling:“Accusations by the siblings of Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong that he had abused his power do not appear to have gained traction on the ground. It was assuring to note that since the issue broke, our stock markets have not tanked, asset prices remain stable, and the Singapore dollar actually rose in the same period. This shows that confidence and trust in our system and in our leaders remain strong………..The PM obviously believes that the circumstances around the drafting of the last will are suspect and had actually gone to the extent of doing a statutory declaration which has very serious implications if he is subsequently found out to have lied.”

    If the mere allegation/s is made against a politician is of such terrified – possible, probable and likely of eventuated outcome of such disastrous impact on “stock markets, asset values, Singapore dollar” of her imaginative construction, who dare – be it local or foreign – to invest in Sinkieland.

    XueLing would have known that Donald Tsang, head of State in Hong Kong – a far bigger financial centre than Sinkieland – was convicted and even jailed for corruption.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/22/former-hong-kong-leader-donald-tsang-jailed-corruption

    It didn’t cause a fart in HK stock prices, nor property values nor HK$ singly or together.

    Both Sinkieland and HK are global financial centre – open economies and the IMPACT OF GLOBAL TURBULENCE is the biggest even almost exclusive dominant influence – not one politician or accusation directed against that politician YET NOT PROVEN IN COURTROOM.

    Sun Xueling wasn’t born yet when I bought Australian mining shares Down Under. With more than 40 yrs experience in investing, even the sacking of G. Whitlam has no such drastic, pervasive impact. So SunXueling is talking stupid to impossibility.

    Her comment on statutory declaration is jaw dropping display of ignorance. SD is it’s author’s interpretation of events, how can that be a “lie”?

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  • rukidding:

    Puzzling indeed when the President and Chairman of PAP party are both so,so quiet ????

    At least have the guts to initate a COI to applease the public lah !

    Looks like the President and Chairman Of PAP are both “under the PM’s thumb” also ???

    How sad and how dissapointing indeed !

    Are those “high paying salaries” part of the reason for “keeping quiet” and “not discharging your duties when required” ???

    Apparently,…Obscene $$$$$alary seems to have probably …”bought some silence” ?

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  • ELim:

    Why is LHL attending G20 meeting when SG is not a member of the G20 Group?
    He just wants to be seen in the company of G20 leaders, just to create the perception that SG is among the Top 20 GDP countries. LOL!

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  • Hawking Eye:

    LKY called GOH ‘Woody’ for no reason. He was spot on. The latter is proving him right.

    Mr GOH is ESM and is paid millions. Why does he need to ingratiate himself before Lee Hsien Loong? If I sense it right, half Singapore is against LHL (on this matter) with his own siblings making accusations of lying and abusing power against him and they are threatening to reveal more.

    It is note observing that many Ministers choose to remain neutral without poking in their nose apparently because they perceive it as a private matter for the LEE family members to resolve it among themselves.

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  • Trader:

    @Oxygen. Thanks for sharing on MP Sun Xueling. Did not know of her credentials; LSE etc. Simply asinine to associate an inconsequential local stock market and a local currency within global markets as barometers of confidence by investors of the government’s integrity.

    Inconsequential local markets and currencies are moved more by the sentiments of global fund flows that are more than just domestic politics. Domestic markets linked to global fund flows are not representations of their economies leave alone their politics. Only on some occasions, will domestic markets price their country’s political risk arising from perceived flaws in government integrity.

    Any novice trader can tell you that. Who is She smoking ? Or is it that this is the quality of investment advisor in our SWF ?

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  • Shining Sun:

    oxygen:
    @ Bernard,

    IT IS NOT MERELY DISGUSTING – it is also a STUNNING BEWILDERING DISPLAY of ZERO INTELLECT – incomprehensible.

    This one nearly got me PUKE. She came from London School of Economics, worked in top management roles in banking sector in Sinkieland/Hong Kong and is a Director of Investment Group in Temasek International.

    http://wikivisually.com/wiki/Sun_Xueling

    Yet she uttered this SIMPLISTIC FIXATION garbage.

    If the mere allegation/s is made against a politician is of such terrified – possible, probable and likely of eventuated outcome of such disastrous impact on “stock markets, asset values, Singapore dollar” of her imaginative construction, who dare – be it local or foreign – to invest in Sinkieland.

    XueLing would have known that Donald Tsang, head of State in Hong Kong – a far bigger financial centre than Sinkieland – was convicted and even jailed for corruption.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/22/former-hong-kong-leader-donald-tsang-jailed-corruption

    It didn’t cause a fart in HK stock prices, nor property values nor HK$ singly or together.

    Both Sinkieland and HK are global financial centre – open economies and the IMPACT OF GLOBAL TURBULENCE is the biggest even almost exclusive dominant influence – not one politician or accusation directed against that politician YET NOT PROVEN IN COURTROOM.

    Sun Xueling wasn’t born yet when I bought Australian mining shares Down Under. With more than 40 yrs experience in investing, even the sacking of G. Whitlam has no such drastic, pervasive impact. So SunXueling is talking stupid to impossibility.

    Her comment on statutory declaration is jaw dropping display of ignorance. SD is it’s author’s interpretation of events, how can that be a “lie”?

    I think she said that because up North for example, the currency has lost so much value because of investors losing confidence because of 1MDB etc.As for SD pursuant to the Oaths and Declaration Act (Cap 211), while contents are based on the author’s interpretation of events, it has to be true to the best of his knowledge or he can get into trouble for making a false declaration. She is just relieved that statements from PM’s younger siblings have not dampen investor confidence and PM had made the SD early.

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  • johannes:

    BTW, how is Mrs.Peanuts?

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  • oxygen:

    @ Shining sun

    SD CAN BE DISGRACEFUL OR DISHONORABLE WITHOUT being dishonest of the author’s interpretation of event/s mean for public consumption inside the political zoo. It does NOT have to meet the PERVERSE of Briginshaw standard. The author of any SD can claim that this is what he/she honestly believe to be the truth – no matter how ridiculously proven flawed later of unverifiable. So how huh?

    Shining Sun: I think she said that because up North for example, the currency has lost so much value because of investors losing confidence because of 1MDB etc.As for SD pursuant to the Oaths and Declaration Act (Cap 211), while contents are based on the author’s interpretation of events, it has to be true to the best of his knowledge or he can get into trouble for making a false declaration. She is just relieved that statements from PM’s younger siblings have not dampen investor confidence and PM had made the SD early.

    PM’s younger siblings have not dampen investor’s confidence? REALLY OR ZERO INTELLECT self-delusion or delusion of dumb peasants?

    A virgin in financial market can be excused for such SIMPLISTIC FIXATION of self-delusion.

    Trader: @Oxygen. Thanks for sharing on MP Sun Xueling. Did not know of her credentials; LSE etc. Simply asinine to associate an inconsequential local stock market and a local currency within global markets as barometers of confidence by investors of the government’s integrity.

    If the contrary is true, then all that LHY & LWL has to do to get VERY RICH VERY FAST is to short SGX massively and then UTTER allegations unsubstantiated against their brother in Facebook. The profits from there can pay 100X or far more the defamation costs of a lawsuit.

    You can’t prove any “market manipulation” in fact and in law because both can easily argue that they fear an outbreak of war on the Korean Peninsula any moment with big power involvement of US, Japan, Russia and China. Who can prove or disprove the minds of LHY & LWL of their investment thoughts? Both can give a SD too.

    @ Trader is right – the attribute cause-and-effect false association is asinine! I have been investing for over 40 years – BEFORE Sun XueLing and maybe you were born. There is no such an event happened – NOT EVEN A RARITY of occurrence.

    If PRESENT TENSE is so pivotal to stock market, asset prices and currency market of Sun’s presumption, she had better prayed very very hard for Sinkieland that PRESENT TENSE had better be an IMMORTAL.

    IS HE IMMORTAL?

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  • Anonymously:

    From the start, the debacle can be very easily be resolved, if LHL is really a filial son. Step1, after Lky death, lhl and all his siblings, should jointly publish IN THEIR PERSONAL CAPACITY the relevant documents of lky stating his wish to demolish 38, and follow due process request URA approval to demolish . Step2, By due process URA would refer to NHB. Step3, LHL should then wear the PM HAT, and make comment that he recuse himself, andvthat NHB should decide within 3 months and poll public opinion if necessary, and also allow the owners 3 months to appeal if required, but NHB shall have final authority. So simple. This is the normal due process, just like demolish Sungei Road! No need secret committee. The NHB can read between the lines and know what to do with the house. Its up to them and the people of singapore, period.

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  • PANTAT GATAL:

    Woody Goh was handsomely paid for 10 years of seat warming for his successor.
    Now after semi-retirement with good pay, Woody is feeling “pantat gatal” (backside itchy).
    Or maybe he misses being in the headlines.

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  • Anti woodpecker:

    PANTAT GATAL:
    Woody Goh was handsomely paid for 10 years of seat warming for his successor.
    Now after semi-retirement with good pay, Woody is feeling “pantat gatal” (backside itchy).
    Or maybe he misses being in the headlines.

    He just wants to seem relevant after retirement like Dr Mahathir for example. Unfortunately,Woody comes across looking dumber after each statement. Seems out of touch with reality. He should just retire permanently. Only idiots will listen to what he has to say. He should reflect on his legacy as PM because unlike a retired PM like Dr Mahathir, Woody has little to show for and best remembered for seat warming and suing the Opposition.

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  • Ms Sun shaves herself for PeeM:

    oxygen:
    @ Bernard,

    IT IS NOT MERELY DISGUSTING – it is also a STUNNING BEWILDERING DISPLAY of ZERO INTELLECT – incomprehensible.

    This one nearly got me PUKE. She came from London School of Economics, worked in top management roles in banking sector in Sinkieland/Hong Kong and is a Director of Investment Group in Temasek International.

    http://wikivisually.com/wiki/Sun_Xueling

    Yet she uttered this SIMPLISTIC FIXATION garbage.

    If the mere allegation/s is made against a politician is of such terrified – possible, probable and likely of eventuated outcome of such disastrous impact on “stock markets, asset values, Singapore dollar” of her imaginative construction, who dare – be it local or foreign – to invest in Sinkieland.

    XueLing would have known that Donald Tsang, head of State in Hong Kong – a far bigger financial centre than Sinkieland – was convicted and even jailed for corruption.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/22/former-hong-kong-leader-donald-tsang-jailed-corruption

    It didn’t cause a fart in HK stock prices, nor property values nor HK$ singly or together.

    Both Sinkieland and HK are global financial centre – open economies and the IMPACT OF GLOBAL TURBULENCE is the biggest even almost exclusive dominant influence – not one politician or accusation directed against that politician YET NOT PROVEN IN COURTROOM.

    Sun Xueling wasn’t born yet when I bought Australian mining shares Down Under. With more than 40 yrs experience in investing, even the sacking of G. Whitlam has no such drastic, pervasive impact. So SunXueling is talking stupid to impossibility.

    Her comment on statutory declaration is jaw dropping display of ignorance. SD is it’s author’s interpretation of events, how can that be a “lie”?

    That Ms Sun recital of undying luv for her Master Lee is more than disgusting. She seems totally oblivious to her own cringe-worthy performance of her public ingratiation and Swallowing wholesale of everything that her Master Lee ejects out in their group orgy of self-delusion.

    Her comments on how markets behave shows she is not only simplistic and nonsensical but she failed to grasp the fact that:

    MARKETS ARE AMORAL.
    That is, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with right or wrong. You cannot use the stock market or its price levels to do MORAL judgement or indicate Truth or Falsity.

    Note, I did not say markets are immoral. Amoral means it has NO implied…

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  • ESM Goh Agends?:

    Yes lhy and lwl accusations are clear and remained consistent since day 1 centering on Oxley house and LHL conduct. Ya the only thing referring to the Govt is the Secret Ministerial Committe. Even them, the focus is LHL. The closest reference to Govt refers to TCH wrt the SMC.

    But the Parliament PAP members including the Cabinet seemed to takr it on themselves that the accusation is on them and turn the whole sitting to a defensive speeches of those PAPs who spoke instead of a questioning from the house and he is the sole responent. ESM went even further accusing the siblings of vendetta and pulling down lhl which are damn serious. Esm owes Singaporeans to reporll for his evidence and the matter t such to the Police armed with evidence of the sinister plot for this affects the security ans atability of the country. no play play talk and then just forget after Parliament. GCT should repeat his accusation outside Parliament. Such accusation should not a be protected by Parliament privilege and why isn’t the Speaker interrupted GCT and asked him for evidence substantiating his accusation?

    Why is it the relevant Public Institutions did not persue thr matter further. Hope this is not wayang with such grave accusation.
    GCT Singaporeans are waiting your follow up with your public disclosure and accusation redponsibly.

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