Kishorea alludes that PM Lee is no “global statesman” like LKY

Kishore Mahbubani, the former Singapore’s Permanent Representative to UN and a favorite of the late LKY, wrote an article for ST (‘Qatar: Big lessons from a small country‘, 1 Jul 2017).


In his article, Kishore said that the recent Qatar episode holds many lessons for Singapore. “We ignore them at our peril,” he said.

Last month, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Yemen and Libya abruptly cut off diplomatic relations with Qatar, citing Qatar of meddling with with their internal affairs. As a result, these countries have closed their airspace between their countries and Qatar. This has caused much sufferings for Qatar because as much as 40 per cent of its food comes through the Saudi border.

Saudi said Qatar was “dividing internal Saudi ranks, instigating against the State, infringing on its sovereignty, adopting various terrorist and sectarian groups aimed at destabilizing the region”.

In his article, Kishore said that Qatar has made a mistake thinking that with its oil money, it could act as “a middle power and interfere in affairs beyond its borders”. In other words, Qatar is poking its nose into other people’s affairs and being an interfering “kah poh”.

“Qatar believed that its mounds of money and its close relations with the US would protect it from consequences,” Kishore added. “In so doing, Qatar ignored an eternal rule of geopolitics: small states must behave like small states.”

He went on to cite the historian Thucydides, who famously wrote, “Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”

In other words, “might” is truly “right”.

LKY is an exception

However, in the past, LKY as leader of small Singapore, would comment openly and liberally on great powers, including America and Russia, China and India. But Kishore noted that LKY was an exception, “He had earned the right to do so because the great powers treated him with great respect as a global statesman.”

So even though Singapore is a small state, the great powers considered LKY a “global statesman” and respected him. “We are now in the post-Lee Kuan Yew era. Sadly, we will probably never again have another globally respected statesman like Mr Lee. As a result, we should change our behavior significantly”, Kishore warned.

“What’s the first thing we should do? Exercise discretion. We should be very restrained in commenting on matters involving great powers.”

To put it bluntly, Kishore meant that if one is not seen as a “global statesman” like LKY, don’t behave like one.

PM Lee should have been more circumspect on tribunal judgement over South China Sea dispute

Kishore continued, “Hence, it would have been wiser to be more circumspect on the judgment of an international tribunal on the arbitration which the Philippines instituted against China concerning the South China Sea dispute, especially since the Philippines, which was involved in the case, did not want to press it.”

Clearly, Kishore is trying to tell PM Lee’s govt to be more pragmatic in handling matters, because PM Lee has always been insisting on “upholding international law” with regard to the international tribunal on the arbitration of the South China Sea dispute.

This was what PM Lee said at last year’s National Day Rally:

“Upholding international law and the peaceful settlement of disputes, is a vital interest for a small country like Singapore… However, in reality, big powers do not always act like that. Big powers can insist on their own interests and often do. They do not submit to adjudication by international tribunals, they may not comply with their rulings and China is not the only country to do this and nor is this the first time something like this has happened.”

“Nevertheless, Singapore must support and strive for a rules-based international order. We have to depend on words and treaties. They mean everything to us. We cannot afford to have international relations work on the basis that might is right. If rules do not matter, then small countries like Singapore have no chance of survival,” he added.

Unfortunately, PM Lee’s words further angered China resulting in a series of actions by China threatening Singapore.

On social media, most Singaporeans blame PM Lee for being a “kay poh” and unnecessarily antagonizing China. They don’t really give a hoot about the South China Sea dispute as they understand Singapore has no claims over any of the islands. It’s essentially other people’s business, not ours.

Be pragmatic

Kishore’s writings echoed the feelings of many Singaporeans.

Kishore continued in his writings, “When I hear some of our official representatives say that we should take a ‘consistent and principled’ stand on geopolitical issues, I am tempted to remind them that consistency and principle are important, but cannot be the only traits that define our diplomacy. And there is a season for everything. The best time to speak up for our principles is not necessarily in the heat of a row between bigger powers.”

He was referring to the row between China and US, especially over the South China Sea dispute. US doesn’t want to see China grow its presence in South China Seas.

“Being ethical and principled are important in diplomacy. We should be viewed as credible and trustworthy negotiators. But it is an undeniable ‘hard truth’ of geopolitics that sometimes, principle and ethics must take a back seat to the pragmatic path of prudence,” Kishore further explained.

“In the jungle, no small animal would stand in front of a charging elephant, no matter who has the right of way, so long as the elephant is not charging over the small animal’s home territory. Let us, therefore, use the Qatar episode to ask ourselves whether we have been Machiavellian enough in recent years.”

One thing is certain. From Kishore’s writings, it is quite obvious that he doesn’t think PM Lee is a “global statesman”, like his father LKY was.

*Facebook post by We want Minister Grace Fu to resign.

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65 Responses to “Kishorea alludes that PM Lee is no “global statesman” like LKY”

  • N.Jungne:

    To express in Dialect, head not so big but wears such a big hat.

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  • LIONS:

    AN ANT CAN NEVER BE AN ELEPHANT.
    IF it tries too hard,it get easily trampled on.

    lky was once-in-50 years kind of PAP man,the rest are not his match.

    that is not to say that OPPO SGS have no good potential statesman who can perform better than lee ah long or lau goh on world stage.

    lee ah long is not a natural statesman,though born of one.

    neither peanuts goh.
    perhaps, we count count GY as the other PAP man worth mentioning in terms of FOREIGN standing and S RAJARATNAM TOO.

    AS FORT HE REST,they better dont try too hard or they will fiack us all up as has been proven?

    for once,KISS-HORSE is right.

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  • Global Statesman?:

    Kishore is right, our ‘friend’ is not even close!

    What has he done for Singapore?

    Basically nothing!

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  • rukidding:

    How to trust that clown ?

    Even his siblings were willing to “expose” his “abuses”.

    Just look at how fast he “changes his tunes”

    One minute “acting” like a “Proud stuck up little boy” going to America to “collect” an award ….and his “dream TPP project”.

    Next minute ,…going around “singing a new song”….that Multi Lateral Trade is OK ???

    Ma chiam,….ka na Lan….ownself squeezed own balls !

    Like the photo above….a bloody “ballooned prick” sticking right out at the centre of his forehead !

    Kum Lan !

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  • Titiana Ann Xavier:

    PM Lee is a muddle-headed leader of a Lilliputian island. By not realising that discretion is the better part of valour, his loose lips have antagonised China. He should refrain from commenting on the South China Sea dispute in which Uncle Sam was the chief protagonist. PM Lee should put his own house in order rather than acting smug. LKY would have told his foolish son to shut up instead of joining Japan and Australia to tell China to respect the ruling by the PCA at the Hague.

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  • Evil Tyrant and PAP Terror:

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    The eviI warlord … is nothing more than late old man’s dark shadow !!!

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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  • 70% disagree:

    @ Kishore’s writings echoed the feelings of many Singaporeans.

    70% disagree with Mr Kishore.

    Someone Anyone wants to held a ” support China ” event at HLP ?

    Observe HK after return to China all kind of flu outbreaks . Your guess of possible source is as good as mine.

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  • Uncle Lim:

    Do we have the rule of law when it’s PAP vs their opponents, activists, bloggers?

    None.

    By talking so much about the rule of law, he makes himself a fool in the eyes of Sporeans especially.

    In short, he’s a big hypocrite.

    His Ministers and MPs are following the big hypocrite because they depend on him for $$$$$.

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  • clown prince li (aka lee):

    … PM Lee’s words further angered China resulting in a series of actions by China threatening Singapore.

    it is sure an embarrassment for us Singaporeans when this clown prince li was singled out in Chinese public media that he the clown prince was not invited, intentionally, yes, he was not invited intentionally, to attend OBOR when malay najib, indo joko, pinoy duterte were invited and were having a good time laughing at the ostracized clown prince li.

    although we have no love for clown prince li we have to say we feel embarrassed that we have to suffer such humiliation because of his (clown prince li’s) inapptitude. so stupid really this clown prince li. only can happen in pap Singapore.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    Ha-ha-ha-ha! LKY was a Global Statesman? Simply, he was used as a Democracy figurehead by the US to spearhead their export of democracy & capitalism to the rest of the world. He was just a US-tool used to fight against the Communist doctrine. Of course, the US-led forces had to support LKY as a Global Statesman using the US-media & the global platform (the UN) which the US effectively controlled. It was a convenient lie to the rest of the world simply to promote US-type Capitalism. But internally, they see him as just a tin-pot dictator of a small insignificant country.
    After the cold war ended, and communist doctrine had failed. The US proceeded to abandon S’pore & ploughed headfirst into China under the Gobalization scheme. S’pore was left to rot as China became the new investment frontier. By then, LKY had outlived his useful purpose to US-capitalism. LKY in his last years knew he was used, abused & then cast aside by the US when he was of no more use. If LKY was such a great Global Statesman – how come the Suzhou project had become such a failure? Why did China allowed such machinations to happen in Suzhou – the central govt indirectly allowing the local govt to undermine S’pore? Go figure that one out!

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  • Jim:

    The clown was betting on the backing of USA when he chastised china
    When little did the clown expect that trump will win the election
    The clown ought to be taught a lesson
    He is licking his wounds now but agonisingly

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  • True Blue Singaporean:

    Cheater Chee, Quitter Oxygen and Jealous LHY and LWL and now Dumbo Kishore are trying to destroy Singapore.

    Time regulate fake news and bring all these clowns to task.

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  • oxygen:

    @ True Blue Singaporean

    YOU OWNSELF-WANK-OWNSELF is OKAY, lah, no need to broadcast (after that wanking) to the world that you feel ‘VERY SHIOK” lah of those tiresome efforts.

    True Blue Singaporean: Cheater Chee, Quitter Oxygen and Jealous LHY and LWL and now Dumbo Kishore are trying to destroy Singapore.

    Time regulate fake news and bring all these clowns to task.

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  • How they fabricate and cheat:

    True Blue Singaporean:
    Cheater Chee, Quitter Oxygen and Jealous LHY and LWL and now Dumbo Kishore are trying to destroy Singapore.

    Time regulate fake news and bring all these clowns to task.

    Such is the best that the PAP throws up. He (they) have no ability to argue with reasons, let alone logical or sensible reasons, but to make ad hominem attacks on the person by recycling the same venom that the PAP fabricated using the msm they have complete over to spin and to brainwash the feeble minds of some Sinkies.

    If you challenge this clown to come up with reasons to rebut, you will see how he/she will dash off and hide.

    How PAP fabricate and cheat to character assassinate:

    Chin Tu Lan:

    On SDP’s last rally held on 5th May, the Straits Times provided it live coverage and I watched it full on Youtube. At first I was grateful that ST provided such a great coverage, however, I was shocked when I noticed ST edited (2:32:30) by omission, a split second of the audio, to distort CSJ’s message.

    CSJ’s original message: “I don’t want to be just another MP who just writes letters for you during the meet-the-people session.”

    Edited by omission: “I want to be just another MP who just writes letters for you during the meet-the-people session.”

    Notice the word “don’t” was edited out. WTF ST!!!

    So, the above proved beyond a doubt why the Straits Times is ranked 153rd in the World Press Freedom Index, and no surprise again why Mr Murali won the BB by-election.

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  • Bad Boy:

    Dont worry about China.

    Housekeeping aplenty. Looks like internally Xi not so welcome.

    http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/realtime/china/20170716/56961362
    【得罪習總】一句鹹濕言論擦鞋惹禍 大膽局長被停職……

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  • John Doe:

    Loong bullied Singapore citizens using his pliant court, and pliant Police, and and pliant Ministers.

    That’s all there is.

    Loong referred to Sg worships international laws of country to country treatments towards each other – but ultra hypocritically, what he preached of the world abiding by laws for all, he does not believe to apply in his own backyard.

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  • So-Wrong And Gabra:

    Good points but somewhat outdated response to the source of the debate. Overtaken by a lot of developments already. Writer should have acted faster. This is the era of superfast social media, for heavens’ sake.

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  • opposition dude:

    Kishore better be careful of what he writes, he could well be lim’ing kopi very soon with some big shots.

    After all, we do know that PAP monkeys have very big heads, egos and mouths. So big in fact, that they think they are above everyone else including other countries’ leaders.

    Ah well, you reap what you sow. I see that the newspapers have been writing a lot of articles on how strong Singapore China relations are. The truth is always in actions and not words and we all know what China has done to PAP recently anyway.

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  • Don't Complain:

    @70 Percent Disagree

    You better wake up earlier. If PM really screws up Singapore and China decides to take economic measures against us such as not awarding us any contracts in OBOR projects, stop Chinese tourists from coming to Singapore and stop importing Singapore made products such as disk drives, printed circuit boards and telecommunication equipment, then do not complain when you are being retrenched from your jobs.

    Its a matter of our Survival Big Idiot KNNBCCB.

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  • Follow International Law ?:

    Pinky please do not tell China to follow International Law when you yourself do not follow your own domestic law such bringing your own siblings to court for defaming you.

    Kishore is absolutely correct that Pinky is not LKY. Pinky has high IQ but low EQ compared with Najib and Dutertee.

    Perhaps Vivian Balakrisnan is the equivalent to LKY. This evening on TV he mentioned that Singapore has to be friendly to all nations but we have to stand up in principle regardless of the size of our country. But the South China Sea island has nothing to do with Singapore. Why get ourselves involved and antoganises one party ? You are screwing up Singapore .

    He also mentioned that we must not take side when Superpowers compete with each other. China and USA are playing a political chess game. If we are not taking side, why do we allow two USA Navy ships to dock at Changi Naval base and patrol South China sea as well as two USA Air Force planes to park and operate from Paya Lebar Air Base again to fly and monitor the South China seas ?

    Vivian don’t be a parrot or Nodding donkey for the sake of two million dollars. Stand up and speak up when necessary especially when Singapore survival is at stake.

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  • The Dishonourable Son:

    Me thinks had it not for the father, LKY, Ah Loong may not even make it to an ordinary statesman, let alone that PM position. Without that father’s forced lifting up the ladder, he may even had simply retired as an accountant, and that BG rank was also a fake.

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  • Realist:

    Only one word to describe PM Lee involvement in the South-China seas saga.

    Kaypoh.

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  • Kishore is Right:

    Kishore is 100% right. Some people can “punch above your weight” because they are strong. But if you are a sissy, bo lat (no strength), then don’t behave like strongman. Simple logic lah, but these fookers refuse to understand. Still wanna talk big. Big Brother Xi give you another OBOR snub then you know !

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  • PATRIOT of TEMESAK:

    Rabble-rouser:
    Ha-ha-ha-ha! LKY was a Global Statesman? Simply, he was used as a Democracy figurehead by the US to spearhead their export of democracy & capitalism to the rest of the world. He was just a US-tool used to fight against the Communist doctrine. Of course, the US-led forces had to support LKY as a Global Statesman using the US-media & the global platform (the UN) which the US effectively controlled. It was a convenient lie to the rest of the world simply to promote US-type Capitalism. But internally, they see him as just a tin-pot dictator of a small insignificant country.
    After the cold war ended, and communist doctrine had failed. The US proceeded to abandon S’pore & ploughed headfirst into China under the Gobalization scheme. S’pore was left to rot as China became the new investment frontier. By then, LKY had outlived his useful purpose to US-capitalism. LKY in his last years knew he was used, abused & then cast aside by the US when he was of no more use. If LKY was such a great Global Statesman – how come the Suzhou project had become such a failure? Why did China allowed such machinations to happen in Suzhou – the central govt indirectly allowing the local govt to undermine S’pore? Go figure that one out!

    Totally AGREE with bro, LKY was a Master with WORDS and MISDEEDS…playing one against the other and backstabbing them with FINESSE….Sweet Talking his way out of a situation during the war with the dreaded KempetiePolice and working for them in a deal only he KNOWS bringing it to his Urn with him…Contradicts all his speeches & statements when he was an opposition in L.A. and riding on the backs AND BACKSTABBINg his COMRADES to seize POWER in the PAP accusing them of being communists. Sold Singapore to the USA in the 70s in EXCHANGE for Investment and testing the DEPOPULATION THEORY of Dr.Kissinger in 1973 by imposing LEEgal ABORTION thus SLAUGHTERING 500,000 innocent UNBORN to PROVE Kissinger RIGHT!!! AND Elevating him to World Stature being a DOG for Kissinger’s Evil Plans he carried out like the grateful Dog he is.

    That…was the PRICE Singapore had to pay for our CREATED successful ILLUSION

    Today…Kishore is RIGHT!!! No more UTANG!!! Singapore is on its own and a silly Idiot passing off as a White Horse and Siring a FREAK is in charge whereby even his siblings don’t even TRUST!!!

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  • Strong Relation With China?:

    The media is spreading fake news that our current relationship with China is very strong, so we should be able to get contracts from the OBOR projects.

    From the body language and facial expression of both sides at the Singapore China meeting at G20, it looks more like Singapore begging to meet up with China and China giving face to Singapore. This is begging for contracts from OBOR projects. Very pathetic indeed.

    If only we are not a big and loud mouth nation wanting to punch above our weight, then we would not have punch our own face instead. We will noy have this current situation.

    Hope our officials learnt from this big mess.

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  • Realist 2:

    城门失火,殃及池鱼.

    Better help put out fire now.

    Realist:
    Only one word to describe PM Lee involvement in the South-China seas saga.

    Kaypoh.

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  • CAT OUT OF THE BAG!:

    How did the AGC come to know about Shendwu’s PRIVATE (shared with friends) posting on Facebook? Obviously PAP gahmen must have been trolling messages of not only Shengwu but also of his siblings, his parents Lee Hsien Yang and his aunt Lee wei Ling.? And also tapping their telephone communications? This instance unwiitingly lets the cat out of the bag?

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  • Nizhemoshou:

    look at the LHLiar clown face. Damn ominous idiotic n evil look. It is a look no good, inauspicious , brings bad luck to country .

    Have to get rid of him or else country is fated to b a laughing stock n ruined by mean idiotic clown.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    PATRIOT of TEMESAK: Sold Singapore to the USA in the 70s in EXCHANGE for Investment and testing the DEPOPULATION THEORY of Dr.Kissinger in 1973

    Mate, just another proof of why LKY wasn’t really a Global Statesman by their exit re: his Funeral/Memorial service attendance by Heads of State; royalty & dignitaries.
    South Africa’s Nelson Mandela died just 2 years [on 5 December 2013] before of LKY’s own demise on 23 March 2015.
    Mandela’s funeral was attended by Heads of State like US President Barrack Obama; UK PM David Cameron; Canadian PM Stephen Harper; NZ PM John Key, etc. The list of Heads of State; royalty & dignitaries reads like a long list.
    Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dignitaries_at_the_memorial_service_of_Nelson_Mandela
    Contrast to LKY own memorial service. Only 23 leaders attended his memorial service. But what was galling was, US President Barrack Obama, UK PM David Cameron, Canadian PM Stephen Harper & NZ PM John Key didn’t even bother to attend unlike Nelson Mandela’s memorial service. They just send their representatives instead.
    Oxygen brought out that Australia’s PM Tony Abbott & Japan’s Pm Shinzo Abe attended the memorial service but on the side, they had wanted to discuss business re: the Aussie Navy Submarine contract between them. And NZ PM John Key opted for watching the cricket series on the telly over the funeral.
    Link: http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/foreign-dignitaries-attend-mr-lee-kuan-yews-state-funeral
    The bitter truth was that Nelson Mandela was indeed a great Global Statesman but LKY wasn’t. He was a US-puppet put on for show by the great powers but at his end, nobody paid much attention except the neighbours.
    Note: You’re right. “..former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who was also at the [LKY] funeral service. Must be a good reason for him in doing so.

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  • Warbef logic:

    We are still talking big about standing for our rights. In the SCS dispute between US and China, we openly supported one side when this is none of our business ! Do we have a right to even give our opinion on the issue when it does not even concern us ? In doing so, we angered big brother Xi. And we are still talking about being Friend to all! What idiotic logic ! Look out for the next snub

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  • Hot n' Cold:

    because PM Lee has always been insisting on “upholding international law” with regard to the international tribunal on the arbitration of the South China Sea dispute….please correct me if I am wrong but I believe this tribunal was “NOT,” a UN or World Court sanctioned assembly. It was a tribunal set up in the Hague and 100% “paid,” for by the Philippines. The media always wants to spin this like the decision was from the most holy, powerful and upright court in the universe, it was NOT! The decision had no legal basis what so ever and was only as good as it was paid for. Not saying the decision was wrong, jut not binding nor from a legal entity..

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  • What's the taste of sperm?:

    Biting the longan that feed the juice?

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  • XJP:

    Hi , XJP here.
    The old man is gone forever.
    There is never gonna be another old man.
    This means it is time for it to be taken over.

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  • PATRIOT of TEMESAK:

    “The bitter truth was that Nelson Mandela was indeed a great Global Statesman but LKY wasn’t. He was a US-puppet put on for the show by the great powers but at his end, nobody paid much attention except the neighbours.
    Note: You’re right. “..former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who was also at the [LKY] funeral service. Must be a good reason for him in doing so.”

    Bro….please read the DECLASSIFIED….”NSSM-200 The Kissinger Report” and NOTE the date…

    The Con visited USA (8)eight times in the early 70s to get acquainted with Kissinger begging for INVESTMENTs and Kissinger agreed on terms that he IMPLEMENT NSDM-200 in Exchange for Investments…similar to today’s IMF when you go a BEGGING..that was when revision to Employment act and LEEgal ABORTION was enacted and they became BUDDIES for Life..

    and We PAY the PRICE of 500,000 babies MURDERED a “WHOLE generation” now being replaced by SHITTY foreign talents plus the longest working hours for the minimum of wages for our workers

    Any IDIOT would have accomplished what he did to CARRY OUT the EXCHANGE with the Blood.Sweat & Tears of OUR NATION…the Report named India, Bangladesh, Philippines and Sri Lanka BUT NOT Singapore…Kissinger KNEW that his REPORT will NEVER WORK in those Countries but a little dot like Singapore??? “piece of cake lah” and the Bastard was ELEVATED to Godlike Stature @ our People & Nation’s Expense

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  • 70 Percent Disagree:

    @ Don’t Complain:

    You have so much hatred and very unhappy. I think you may need help.

    Might as well you maybe even your whole family just migrate or seek greener pasture else where.

    Love China so much , simple , just pack your bags and go . Seek asylum if you want to at China embassy. As long you are happy there nobody stopping you.

    Just be careful of what you eat and drink ( China are allowing GMO foods into their country ) . Next take note where you stay incase landslide , flood , building collapse and the bad air quality in certain cities or province … Thirdly many professional con man in China so take care. I quite sure you will make it and maybe even come back as a multi millionaire.

    @ stop Chinese tourists from coming to Singapore ?

    Might as well stop all its students and workers coming to Singapore.

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  • PAPSURELOSE!!!:

    Would Kishore have the balls to all this alluding if CluelessLeaderLeeLoong papa still around?
    Trying to sound tough. A snake pretending to be a man

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    PATRIOT of TEMESAK: Bro….please read the DECLASSIFIED….”NSSM-200 The Kissinger Report” and NOTE the date…

    Yo Bro! The Catholic Family News provided a interesting & detailed write-up on NSSM-200 The Kissinger Report. It [NSSM-200] came out on December 10, 1974 – meshing with the year that S’pore’s own Stop At 2 Family Planning Policy that was enacted by the PAP. The preamble of NSSM-200 by Kissinger, “Within 3 pages of the title of this Memorandum, Kissinger makes clear that it is “A TWO CHILD FAMILY,” both within and without America, that will be the goal of United States government policy.” This proved too much of a coincidence after reading it.
    Reading the Kissinger article proved to be a truly Dark theory [like walking a very Dark path - revisiting Hitler's ethnic cleansing campaign; anti-Semitism, superiority & creation of an "Aryan race", etc] & the whole thing reeks of Eugenics, Elitism, and Social Engineering to create infertility & sterility [forced abortion] among the unfit to create an unjust society between haves [fit] & have-nots [unfit]. These people who come up with such Dark Theory are ruthless & heartless.
    But the BIGGEST joke is that while the father LKY embraced Kissinger’s NSSM-200 of Population Control; the son PM LHL is going all out for [artificial] Population Growth at a time when all the conditions stated with NSSM-200 are coming true – overpopulation threatens longer-term food production through “cultivation of marginal lands, overgrazing, desertification, deforestation, and soil erosion, with consequent destruction of land and pollution of water, rapid siltation of reservoirs, and impairment of inland and coastal fisheries & pressure on depletable resources (fossil fuels and other minerals). What an IRONY?
    Link: http://www.cfnews.org/page88/files/2f4dd180b11d5f2be92d37dcb96a446b-638.html

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  • I beg to differ about report:

    I think Kissinger had its concern whether its self interest or not. It’s not so simple.

    Did he point to China ? And did China people not died of starvation during Mao’s period ? I think you should fasting for a month and tell me how you feel ?

    Did he point to HK Korea Japan or even Europe yet the birthrate declines.

    Compare to China , US also control its population at around 30 millions + .

    One can observe the amount of resources e.g. trees being cut down for plantation and farming and animals hunted down to extinction as food sources. What about the rubbish created ?

    At thi time at this moment , are you not watching Channel U’s program on rubbish mountain 垃圾山.

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  • Top in Maths and Science:

    XJP:
    Hi , XJP here.
    The old man is gone forever.
    There is never gonna be another old man.
    This means it is time for it to be taken over.

    Dear LORD
    Do you mean Hostile Takeover?
    First Malaysia deep sea ports left and right side.
    Then Merger?
    Reunification?

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  • Python 5:

    if not of his father, he would have die from that cancer in his arse long long time ago liao.

    why do you think they called him names like arse-cancer, cancer-boy, arse-loong, anus cancer etc?????

    The Dishonourable Son:
    Me thinks had it not for the father, LKY, Ah Loong may not even make it to an ordinary statesman, let alone that PM position. Without that father’s forced lifting up the ladder, he may even had simply retired as an accountant, and that BG rank was also a fake.

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  • Superman:

    Those thinking that china is anything but great, think again. Go live there and figure out yourself, the wickedness etc. Dont be a spineless snake like the author.

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  • Why Ask For Trouble:

    @70 Per Cent Disagree

    You must be a Farking Coward or Blind Balls Carrier. Although my Dad came from China, I have no love for China. I am born in Singapore and I will die fighting for my rights in Singapore. I am not a quitter and migrate when thing does not look right. So what if I die in Singapore. Everybody has to die sooner or later. I am willing to sacrifice my life fighting for our rights.

    It can be China, Malaysia, Indonesia or even Thailand, why should we go looking for trouble and be screwed when the issue coes not concern us ? We just want to be fair and not blindly supporting all our government actions when we know its not right.

    FYI Singapore needs students and workers from China more than China needs Singapore. This is for supplying cheap labour to our greedy business owners and also to maintain the population equation.

    In other words, the little red dot called Singapore is insignificant to China.

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  • Bad Boy:

    Dont worry about China .

    Like other countries China also faces its bottleneck or will soon face its bottleneck ( due to its population just prolong only ).

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    https://wallstreetcn.com/articles/3020602

    Note : A股269家公司停牌

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    《每日经济新闻》记者注意到,7月18日据交易所公告,华胜天成因重要事项未公告临时停牌。银河生物、博腾股份、银江股份拟披露重大事项在7月18日临时停牌。截至7月18日,沪深两市合计有269只个股处于停牌状态。

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  • PATRIOT of TEMESAK:

    Rabble-rouser: Yo Bro! The Catholic Family News provided a interesting & detailed write-up on NSSM-200 The Kissinger Report. It [NSSM-200] came out on December 10, 1974 – meshing with the year that S’pore’s own Stop At 2 Family Planning Policy that was enacted by the PAP. The preamble of NSSM-200 by Kissinger, “Within 3 pages of the title of this Memorandum, Kissinger makes clear that it is “A TWO CHILD FAMILY,” both within and without America, that will be the goal of United States government policy.” This proved too much of a coincidence after reading it.
    Reading the Kissinger article proved to be a truly Dark theory [like walking a very Dark path - revisiting Hitler's ethnic cleansing campaign; anti-Semitism, superiority & creation of an "Aryan race", etc] & the whole thing reeks of Eugenics, Elitism, and Social Engineering to create infertility & sterility [forced abortion] among the unfit to create an unjust society between haves [fit] & have-nots [unfit]. These people who come up with such Dark Theory are ruthless & heartless.
    But the BIGGEST joke is that while the father LKY embraced Kissinger’s NSSM-200 of Population Control; the son PM LHL is going all out for [artificial] Population Growth at a time when all the conditions stated with NSSM-200 are coming true – overpopulation threatens longer-term food production through “cultivation of marginal lands, overgrazing, desertification, deforestation, and soil erosion, with consequent destruction of land and pollution of water, rapid siltation of reservoirs, and impairment of inland and coastal fisheries & pressure on depletable resources (fossil fuels and other minerals). What an IRONY?
    Link: http://www.cfnews.org/page88/files/2f4dd180b11d5f2be92d37dcb96a446b-638.html

    Bro, there is NON so Blind as those who will NOT see and DEAF for those that will NOT HEAR….The Marxists conspiracy was NO co incidence involving the Catholic Church…it SHOWS the EVIL of a man worshipped like a God in the land full of sheep

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  • PATRIOT of TEMESAK:

    PAPSURELOSE!!!:
    Would Kishore have the balls to all this alluding if CluelessLeaderLeeLoong papa still around?
    Trying to sound tough. A snake pretending to be a man

    Who had the BALLS when Moa,Stalin or even Mahathir & Suharto Ruled the ROOST in the case of the 1st & 2nd like LKY “NON”…but M & S need a catastrophe for the balls to come out and that is in tandem with the People and NOT an individual

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  • PATRIOT of TEMESAK:

    I beg to differ about report:
    I think Kissinger had its concern whether its self interest or not. It’s not so simple.

    Did he point to China ? And did China people not died of starvation during Mao’s period ? I think you should fasting for a month and tell me how you feel ?

    Did he point to HK Korea Japan or even Europe yet the birthrate declines.

    Compare to China , US also control its population at around 30 millions + .

    One can observe the amount of resources e.g. trees being cut down for plantation and farming and animals hunted down to extinction as food sources. What about the rubbish created ?

    At thi time at this moment , are you not watching Channel U’s program on rubbish mountain 垃圾山.

    Tell me more when we have a population of hardly 2million with an EVIL man DESTROYING or MURDERING 500,000 unborn and TODAY we are clamouring for 6million or even 10million according to some IDIOTS

    I really wonder when an Evil man sells his country and people for want of Money & Power thinking that a Society of Elites will solve Singapore’s problem or was it to achieve his EVIL Plans like what Hitler once Dream of???

    Who I really wonder are the IDIOTS…the ones who were given a choice to suffer for having MORE than TWO with hardly any education or the ones who are the Supposedly Elites and self-proclaimed ARISTOCRATS.???

    Take a GOOD LOOK at the picture of Kishore & an IDIOT and tell me what you see???

    Kishore comes from a generation of big families who had to work to their BONES to be a family of SUBSTANCE

    The IDIOT comes from a privileged family with Black & White amahs at their back & call

    Now, who is THE IDIOT…Kishore or a an actual IDIOT who sired a “FREAK”???

    RETRIBUTION or KARMA is in the Hands of the Almighty, the Unseen…what is seen is an ILLUSION….we are LIVING REALITY in a world of ILLUSION created by an Evil man and his cronies…” there are no BEGGARS” UNQUOTE: LKY… b’cos we are a PEOPLE who will pick cans and cardboards to survive the evil created!!!

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    I beg to differ about report:
    I think Kissinger had its concern whether its self interest or not. It’s not so simple.

    Henry Kissinger’s life history had a lot of unwanted baggage behind him.
    1. He was born in Germany & was a young boy at a time when Nazism emerged from the ashes of WW1 defeat & the Post-WW1 hyperinflation in Germany.
    2. He was Jewish, hence his family had to leave Germany in 1938 before Adolf Hitler had embarked on his Jewish solution [The Jewish Holocaust].
    3. But despite his Jewish origins, Kissinger held strong admiration for Right-wing politics; loved Authoritarism; was a strong Foreign Policy advocate tantamount to pro-intervention & pro-war & was in fact a closet Fascist. What this tells you is that his German heritage & during his youth, the Nazism influence & Fascism formed much of his ideology & thinking.
    4. Kissinger was a ruthless & heartless man. As National Security Advisor, he thought nothing about carpet bombing Vietnam & Cambodia during the Indochina war. And he was involved with many Right-wing coups in Central & South America which led to fascist/right-wing dictatorships. In turn, those military junta went on a killing spree eliminating many opposition numbers as well as civilian [sympathizers] casualties.
    5. The Guy simply had no conscience. Go read the below article with link attached:
    Link: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/does-henry-kissinger-have-a-conscience
    Wikipedia Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger
    In a sense, why Henry Kissinger & the late LKY were so close – they share similarities.

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  • I beg to differ about report:

    I merely say i beg to differ about Kissinger’s report.

    There’s no mention of LKY is wrong or right . History or others or many here will judge him.

    You also never address on China’ starvation history nor the birthrate decline of HK Japan Korea nor Europe. Throughout China past so much uprising and rebellion is because of food issues. Since ancient China time there already this poem 朱门酒肉臭,路有冻死骨. Even today China still have families that not having enough food or malnutrition. Isnt that a fact. China last time can consider self sufficient, at present i dont think so you can search for their food import data. So is Europe’s history.

    I dont want to even mention NK how many are starving right now. So is Africa . Even India, Pinoy and Indonesia some are also having makan issues.

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  • 70% disagree:

    ” So what if I die in Singapore. Everybody has to die sooner or later. I am willing to sacrifice my life fighting for our rights. ”

    This type of cake sard cake say words which chinese or asian dont how to say. For face, please save it. Action more important.

    What sacrifice are you referring to ? You mean Great Sacrifice becoming keyboard warriors.

    Or you mean you dare to walk towards to M Lee and mouth all kinds of rough languages or point finger or thumb or throw him a fist right in his face . Seriously i doubt it man …

    Coward ? Please define coward i want to know your angle.

    If you dare to migrate and start afresh and you tell me have guts regardless of outcome i will accept.

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  • PATRIOT of TEMESAK:

    I beg to differ about report:
    I merely say i beg to differ about Kissinger’s report.

    There’s no mention of LKY is wrong or right . History or others or many here will judge him.

    You also never address on China’ starvation history nor the birthrate decline of HK Japan Korea nor Europe. Throughout China past so much uprising and rebellion is because of food issues. Since ancient China time there already this poem 朱门酒肉臭,路有冻死骨. Even today China still have families that not having enough food or malnutrition. Isnt that a fact. China last time can consider self sufficient, at present i dont think so you can search for their food import data. So is Europe’s history.

    I dont want to even mention NK how many are starving right now. So is Africa . Even India, Pinoy and Indonesia some are also having makan issues.

    It is the END RESULT and the PRICE to PAY…if it is worth it Good for YOU!!! and for the Slaughter of INNOCENTS plus the Blood-Sweat & Tears of the slaughtered Parents having to pay a HEAVY PRICE today.Working till they drop dead at age 70 or more and was told that it was a form of exercise, that is the FATE they have to accept for TRUSTING an EVIL man…FYI..that Generation worked for their Children/Grandchildren and PRIDE themselves NEVER to BEG for a living it is in their Spirit & Soul

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  • PATRIOT of TEMESAK:

    Rabble-rouser: Henry Kissinger’s life history had a lot of unwanted baggage behind him.
    1. He was born in Germany & was a young boy at a time when Nazism emerged from the ashes of WW1 defeat & the Post-WW1 hyperinflation in Germany.
    2. He was Jewish, hence his family had to leave Germany in 1938 before Adolf Hitler had embarked on his Jewish solution [The Jewish Holocaust].
    3. But despite his Jewish origins, Kissinger held strong admiration for Right-wing politics; loved Authoritarism; was a strong Foreign Policy advocate tantamount to pro-intervention & pro-war & was in fact a closet Fascist. What this tells you is that his German heritage & during his youth, the Nazism influence & Fascism formed much of his ideology & thinking.
    4. Kissinger was a ruthless & heartless man. As National Security Advisor, he thought nothing about carpet bombing Vietnam & Cambodia during the Indochina war. And he was involved with many Right-wing coups in Central & South America which led to fascist/right-wing dictatorships. In turn, those military junta went on a killing spree eliminating many opposition numbers as well as civilian [sympathizers] casualties.
    5. The Guy simply had no conscience. Go read the below article with link attached:
    Link: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/does-henry-kissinger-have-a-conscience
    Wikipedia Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger
    In a sense, why Henry Kissinger & the late LKY were so close – they share similarities.

    ” In a sense, why Henry Kissinger & the late LKY was so close – they share similarities ”

    Ya Bro,… Kissinger’s USA unloads 7million tonnes of Bombs during the Vietnam War more than TWICE or 2X the amount drop in Europe & Asia during 2nd WW….LKY slaughtered 500,000 UNBORN under his LEEgal Abortion in compliance with Kissinger terms for Investments to PROVE his Depopulation Theory and we have a population of only 2million then in the early 70s… 25% or One Whole Generation…Their Evil KNOWS no BOUNDS!!! Hell is too GOOD for them!!!

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  • Keyboard Warrior:

    @70 Per Cent Disagree

    Please do not act like a Coward Keyboard Warrior and engages me in a long and meaningless conversation. I do not need you to entertain me.

    You are right. It will be a brave act to migrate and face unknown dangers. It will be braver if you stay back and face the known dangers and fight to the end.

    LKY did not teach us to give up so easily. Fight until you drop dead man. That’s how Singapore can survive till now.

    End of the story. KNNBCCB

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  • a cowardice enterprise lar:

    //Or you mean you dare to walk towards to M Lee and mouth all kinds of rough languages or point finger or thumb or throw him a fist right in his face . Seriously i doubt it man …//

    point what finger lar ? there are so many white plp idiotic dogs waiting (given the license) to bite your fingers lar if you point at their white idiotic master lar. if no finger how, use your leg to point huh ?

    //Coward ? Please define coward i want to know your angle.//

    aiyoh. if people are disagreeable, even simple white plp act is a cowardice enterprise lar as it is quite harmless & safe especially with the support of the larger white wayang force & resources.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    I beg to differ about report: You also never address on China’ starvation history nor the birthrate decline of HK Japan Korea nor Europe. Throughout China past so much uprising and rebellion is because of food issues. Since ancient China time there already this poem 朱门酒肉臭,路有冻死骨. Even today China still have families that not having enough food or malnutrition. Isnt that a fact. China last time can consider self sufficient, at present i dont think so you can search for their food import data. So is Europe’s history.
    I dont want to even mention NK how many are starving right now. So is Africa . Even India, Pinoy and Indonesia some are also having makan issues.

    You’ll need to go back & read your history books on that. To address some of your questions:
    1. China’ starvation history – China’s history has been repleted with famines & political turmoil. If you understand China’s history – it had been subjugated by foreigners, first the Mongols; followed a few centuries later by the Manchus & dominated by the Western Power/Japan post-Qing dynasty before WW2. In-between the foreign invasion, China had brief periods of peace & prosperity & that was where most of the cultural developments were made during political stability. The Starvation causes were many; natural disasters ie. drought, flooding; political turmoil & lawlessness – bandits plundering villages of their harvest; army taking harvests off villages on order of the Emperor, etc. The Chinese classics tells the troubles of that period via novels like Water Margin, etc. Even our Chinese forefathers came to S’pore (Tong Nam Ah) because they seek a better life & ample food to eat – first the Peranakans [Admiral Cheng Ho's landed sailors intermarried with Malays] after that followed by the Southern Chinese re: Hokkiens, Teochews, Cantoneses, Hainaneses & Hakkas. Mao’s Great Leap Forward & subsequent Cultural Revolution had created genocidal issues similar to Stalin’s collective farming efforts in the Ukraine & parts of Russia – they caused food shortages & famines. The historical cause-&-effect are too many. But the NSSM-200 takes advantage of history to promote their Depopulation /Eugenics cause.
    2. “the birthrate decline of HK Japan Korea nor Europe” – in Economics & Demographic studies, there is a natural correlation between the higher economic progression & falling birth rates. Of course, as higher economic progression takes place, healthcare & medical facilities improves exponentially. – Cont’d -

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    - Cont’d –
    Note that in the past, families had great numbers because there was great infant mortality & societies were agarian ie. they need labour [more children] to work their farms.
    3. “Even India, Pinoy and Indonesia some are also having makan issues” But did you know that these countries are enjoying 6% + GDP growth while S’pore are stuck with 1%-2% GDP growth going forward. The difference is that those countries have a large natural domestic population & large land resources which can drive up both Investments & Consumption parts of GDP upwards. That means that their GDP growth will be sustainable in the coming years. Contrast to S’pore who have to rely on a transient artificial population growth method to drive S’pore EAT ‘N SHIT economy. But if you look deeper, S’pore consumption is weak no doubt affected by the high cost of living which is in turn affected by Rent-seeking & profiteering issues created with a Political-Crony Economy. The foreign influx factor depends on PAP job creation machinations. If you understand the effects of TPPA, OBOR, etc – then S’pore’s future job creation will be weak going forward because S’pore Economy is nearly 50% reliant of foreign investments. The domestic part of the Economy can’t drive enough economic activity because GLCs dominate the domestic economy but can’t grow because they’re either too indebted or full of Meritocratic baggage (support too many Chiak Leow Bees within their organization structure) or both. And SMEs can’t grow because they’re either family-owned [no professional management] or too dependent on govt support [grants, economic privileges - OKP sic!].
    If you understand what I have said – you would understand that population growth is necessary during a time of economic growth & great prosperity but population degrowth is necessary at a time when job creation is weak & when the economy is uncertain.
    NSSM-200 was implemented idiotically during a time when S’pore was growing economically; now, artificial Population Growth is being implemented during a time when local PMET can’t find jobs; the economy is uncertain (no TPPA/ OBOR exclusion) & the cost of living is so high/standard of living is so weak re: low wages/low economic opportunities re: graduates driving Uber/Taxis. Hope you understand what I have to say!

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  • 10-terrible-famines-in-history:

    http://listverse.com/2013/04/10/10-terrible-famines-in-history/

    Rabble-rouser: You’ll need to go back & read your history books on that.

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  • 70% disagree:

    In the first place why bother to rebut when i raise the fact that 70% disagree.

    Yeah sure , using Vulgar words definitely display you are very heroic. F them no guts F me a commoner who express an opinion otherwise si bei a sai.

    You also 欺善怕恶, …

    As someone mention waiting for justice bao or bruce lee.

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  • I Want to Be Better Than L*Y!:

    Everyone says I am ‘not there’ yet but I think I ‘have arrived’!

    I am already 65!

    I want to be a Senior Minister and then Minister Mentor like Papa and maybe President too!

    I want to ‘rule’ till at least 93!

    According to LSW, my well paid ‘doggies’ will back me all the way!

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  • Malacca To Kelantan Port:

    @70 Percebt Disagree

    I rebut cause I disagree with your point of view. Instead you became childish and asked me to migrate to China. I had stated that I do not love China and I also will not support blindly our government’s action when it will cause harm to Singapore.

    China is considering pouring money in building a deep sea port in Malacca. Then build a highway from Malacca all the way to Kelantan so that lorries can carry the containers that were downloaded from the ships in Malacca uploaded via the new highway to the new Kelantan port.

    No ships will want to pass through Singapore and PSA will close shop. Do not regret if this happens because of of our punching above our weight arrogant attitude. This is the reality and what are you gooing to do about it ?

    China is capable of doing the above as they had already built a railway line from Europe to China and had tested it about one month ago.

    Next they will be building a highway from Europe (London) all the way to China for the lorries traffic passing thru all the European, Afican, Arabian and South Asian countries. Not an easy task as they have to get approval from these countries.

    The third project is the building of sea ports in various countries to accomodate the sea route. Do not doubt their capability as they are very rich and advance and also have the capability to shoot satellites with their missiles.

    Still want to blindly support our government’s arrogant actions to screw your own arse ? Wake up to the real world man.

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  • Kishore Shows Wisdom:

    This time Kishore is old and wise enough to recognise the reality and the dangers of antagonising China unnecessarily unlike our other leaders who cannot smell tha dangers until it hit them and wake them up.

    Sadly, we have very few wise men in Singapore now. Instead we have a lot of hot blooded, arrogant and low EQ leaders around. LKY, Goh Keng Swee, Toh Chin Chye, Rajaretnam and others can you come back to help ?

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  • 70 Percent Disagree:

    Mr , I just state ” 70% disagree with Mr Kishore. ” in my first comment above.

    You can screw me upside down here and there everyday as you like but if cannot convince and turn half of the 70% ( which include PG generation which includes maybe even your very own parents or grandparents plus new citizens ) , you still be here venting your anger at me or whoever sharing a different view in the future if this site still exist.

    Let’s be frank its a fact at least in the last voting result.

    In next voting result whether people will support ” @ Kishore’s writings echoed the feelings of many Singaporeans. ” we will find out not too far away.

    As for migration suggestion, i mentioned China or green pasture elsewhere because you sound so bitter and du lan here locally and damn terrify of China ( you talk about survival ) . Base on KNNCCB i guess you are chinese that’s why i suggest you go under China’s arm better. If don’t like China , any other country at your own discretion.

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  • Bad Boy:

    Dont worry about China.

    http://www.sohu.com/a/157933837_822396
    被污染的环境开始疯狂报复:中国一年430万的新增癌症者

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  • Don't ASSuME:

    @70 Per Cent Disagree

    Just because I use KNNBCCB u assume I am Chinese. I am fluent in the three main languages of vulgarity in Singapore. KNNBCCB, Pukimak (Malay), Wah Ker Lar Wah Ker (Tamil). Guess what is my race ?

    I diagree with you because I am one of the 70 per cent who realises that our leaders have made a grave mistake and I am not going to support blindly their mistake. They will not have my vote if they remain stubborn and arrogant and keep repeating the same mistake.

    Kishore has wisdom indeed and has the nose to smell imminent dangers coming our way. LKY was another wise man.

    End Of Story

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  • 陈大婶:

    这是他们要付出的代价啊!坏孩子 名字好特别。

    Bad Boy:
    Dont worry about China.

    http://www.sohu.com/a/157933837_822396
    被污染的环境开始疯狂报复:中国一年430万的新增癌症者

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  • 70 Percent Disagree:

    You are also guessing ( that i m wrong ) that Kishore is right ?

    Sure, i remember someone comment who did you vote for … whats the complaint ?

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