Dr Tan raises questions on Law Minister’s contradictory statements on AGC’s advice

Former 2011 Presidential candidate, Dr Tan Cheng Bock has raised questions on statements made by Minister for Law and Foreign Affairs, Mr K Shanmugam during a dialogue session and what he said in the Parliament just this week.

Workers’ Party Ms Sylvia Lim had filed an Adjournment Motion, “Counting From President Wee Kim Wee Or President Ong Teng Cheong For Reserved Presidential Election – Policy Decision Or Legal Question?” on 3 October 2017 (Tuesday), seeking an explanation from the government on whether did the PM, DPM Teo Chee Hean and Minister Chan Chun Sing make misleading statements in Parliament that the question of which President to count from was a legal question.

Ms Lim also asked whether did the government all along make a policy decision itself to count from President Wee Kim Wee and merely use the AGC’s advice as a cover to avoid full Parliamentary debate on why the count was not starting from President Ong Teng Cheong.

Mr Shanmugam had denied in Parliament that PM Lee has misrepresented the matter in Parliament and insisted that it has always been clear that the decision to count Mr Wee Kim Wee as the first President for the purpose of the reserved presidential election is a policy decision by the parliament and not a legal matter.

Appended below is Dr Tan’s Facebook post in full:

I have 2 observations on Ms Lim’s excellent motion.

1st, Minister Shanmugam made these statements in reply to Ms Lim:

“… I was asked the following question “When would the circuit breaker to hold the reserved election after a racial group has not been represented in presidential office after five continuous terms, come into effect?” What was my reply? The most direct answer is actually, “The government can decide. When we put in the bill, we can say we want it to start from this period. It is a policy decision.” The CNA reported it, it is still on record….. and I said on record, and I’m happy to be shown any other part …. I am very clear and careful about what I say. And I’m happy to be confronted with anything else I might have said.”

The Minister had quoted from a CNA report dated 15 Sept 2016 (by Linette Lim “On Tan Cheng Bock, mixed-race candidates: Singaporeans ask tough questions on the Elected Presidency review”:

Since the Minister is willing to confront his past words, I’ve reproduced the rest of his answer to CNA, where he said:

“But there are also some legal questions about the elected presidency and the definition and so on, so we have asked the Attorney–General for advice. Once we get the advice, we will send it out. Certainly by the time the Bill gets to Parliament, which is in October, I think we will have a position and will make it public. At present, there are a number of legal questions … including whether such provisions are consistent with the convention to eliminate racial discrimination, how do you draft it, whether you count all the presidencies, elected presidencies, which is the first elected president – there are a number of questions we have to sort out.”

CNA appears to have reported words opposite to what the Minister mentioned. In the report, he said “…once we get the advice, we will send it out. Certainly by the time the bill gets to Parliament, which is in October … and will make it public.” But in Parliament, he said “this government, as a rule, generally, does not publish legal opinions that it gets.”

Would the Minister explain to Singaporeans his apparent contradiction?

2nd, I noticed that PM Lee, DPM Teo and Minister Chan sat quietly behind Minister Shanmugam during this debate. One would have expected the PM, DPM or Minister Chan to speak for themselves and clarify their own words. After all, they are the government’s top leaders. Also, Ms Lim’s motion was asking about their statements to Parliament and whether they misled the House. Her motion did not refer to Minister Shanmugam’s statements. Since the government has said the count is a policy issue and not a legal issue, why ask the Minister of Law to answer ?

In fact PM Lee should be the one answering Ms Lim. This debate started with PM’s statement on taking AG’s legal advice. Why he remained silent during this parliamentary debate continues to baffle many Singaporeans.

Dr Tan also commented that since the questions filed by Ms Lim was on the Attorney General’s advice raised by the Prime Minister, PM Lee should be the one answering her instead of Minister Shanmugam.

What the ministers said

Just to recap, the following are what the various ministers have said about the Elected Presidency since 2016.

 

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59 Responses to “Dr Tan raises questions on Law Minister’s contradictory statements on AGC’s advice”

  • PAPSURELOSE!:

    Why CluelessPM, KeeChiuAhSeng and TeoAhHean diam diam?
    Simple la. Information overload, simple brain cells dunno how to process without forming another Committee, sub-Committee and sub-sub-subCommittee to study question.
    In Singlish this phenomenon is known as “Chwee Tut Lan” syndrome.

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  • 霸王:

    讲骗话不眨眼。

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  • MarBowling:

    Great insightful comments by our Dear Dr Tan CB!

    Singaporean should take a look at the video showing the Parliamentary debate btw S Lim and ShameMuGam. Cool and marvalleous display of oral skill by S Lim. Fumbling and pathetic display by that Shame Bugger while the 3 MFs who either one is supposed to give the expected reply to S Lim kept quiet as church mouse and showed their stone FFace! Mai Hum’s Best Friend, Wonder Boy Amos Yee can speak(w/o referring to notes)better than the tongue-twister Shame Bugger.

    Btw the picture showed the Parliament is half empty or half full. Where are the rest of those JLB PAPigs MPs? Busy fiacking or fiacking busy? HoLee shits!

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  • oxygen:

    IN POLITICS, IF YOU MUST LIE, be brief. And if you are caught red-handed wrong-footed – it is best remain silent.

    The 3 PAPpy muskeeters kept silence when SYL demands explanation and “proxy server” SIMPLY SHUT DOWN SYL as protesting too much.

    What is wrong with public accountability demand by SYL of PAPpy – caught in WINDY HAPPY CONTRADICTIONS yet again?

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  • rukidding:

    My sister living in Yishun had a “toilet upgrading” recently.

    All those affected resident must come down to void deck to “shit, pee or bathe”.

    Only have 4 toilets..2 for Men and 2 for women .

    As an elderly myself, ( with engineering and safety experience )…I was curious and thus went into one of the cubicle to check it out.

    Oh,…my God,…the s/s floor actually “wobbles” as you walk on them . ( the material used my be so thin and cheap and insufficient reinforced bottom .

    How you expect “old people” to “keep their balance” ?

    How do you expect “wheel chair resident” to “feel secured” with a “wobbly” floor ?

    To add more salt….one of the 4 cubicle toilet seat cover was “loose” and can actually “cause unwanted accident” ???

    I wonder what is happening ?

    Just 4 “make shift toilets” and the “standard” was absolutely “fiack up” .
    I understand that this ward in Yshun is actually under Minister Sham.

    I wonder what are his “grassroots” doing ????

    Looking out for “stray cats” to “take care”….or doing a “simple job of checking those toilets”.

    Utter disappointment indeed !

    Minister Sham should “wake up” his Grassrooters !!

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  • Why lies will soon be revealed:

    The problem with telling lies is that you have to keep remembering them because they are not true and do not reside in your mind naturally. Most of the PAP ministers are serial liars who cannot remember their lies over time and hence tend to contradict themselves as in this case. Liars are liars and cannot change their ways just like leopards which cannot change their spots. The people had better beware to avoid being hoodwinked by these serial liars.

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  • 1stworldgov,my foot!:

    Sgs shd be ashamed of themselves…no where else does a inept gobblemen get voted in time n time again .
    Are the 70% stupid or cowards ?
    They squeeze us dry with never ending price n tax increases annually , sometimes more than once a year..while they enjoy their mil$$$ being only a part time gov..making mistakes n cant even debate a simple honest question with out resorting to threats n deviation..
    A pm that spends all his waking hours trying to fix people …
    A country where we were once proud of n was the envy of many other countries, is now breaking down , in several areas.
    And 70% you voted for it…
    Think about it where you gonna put your X on your voting slip next time. Think n think hard!

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  • paleface:

    One lie leads to another.

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  • Lye Khuen Way:

    Excellent piece, Dr Tan Cheng Bock. The Law Minister certainly wasn’t clear minded and must be forgiven for recalling the exact opposite from time to time.

    What a pathetic attempt to whitewash the whole episode of racist revision of our Constitution!

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  • 骗的传人:

    龙哥和声哥向贤哥说骗话.贤哥又向尚哥说骗话.贤哥和尚哥再向龙哥说骗话.4位大哥最终决定自己向自己说骗话.再最后也联合向人民说骗话.

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  • You are bitter!:

    It was shame who is bitter not Cheng bock! Shame wants to be the cabinet lawyer but was caught with pants down!

    We are all qualified in English language having took exams for Senior Cambridge Exam! Please called a spade a spade!

    Why don’t you survey your pappy mps and let them give you a response on what Pinky and teo meant!

    We want Pinky to reply definitely not you cause you are not the peeAyam! What happened at the law firm?

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  • The Rot Start From The Top:

    Dr Tan had strengthened more proof to society, that PAP comprises of politicians whom are very capable of lying, twisting and suka suka ammending policies to suit their own interest. All these Ministers must ensure ‘The Dishonourable Son’ and his wife secrets are securely remained unchecked and undetected. These Ministers do not have own conscience, all because of the millions $$$ dirty money.

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  • Calling A Deer A Horse:

    Now you know what kind of PM we have!
    Not my PM anyway?

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  • PAP is a bunch of liars:

    PAP tells so many lies they cannot keep track of them and wind up contradicting themselves. A compelling reason to VTO.

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  • Realist:

    Shanmugam’s rebuttal on TCB 2nd issue on why LHL & his lackeys did not personally answer to Sylvia Lim motion is very unsatisfactory. He said time was limited but does not parliament has sovereign rights to allow more time allocation for them since this issue is now a hot burning topic ?

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  • C'est la vie:

    *****
    The 3 sneaky cowards chose to shield themselves from further scrutiny and ridicule because they wouldn’t want to excavate neither, a bigger nor deeper hole for themselves. They are aware that there’s no comeback nor explanation/excuse that could be given for the premeditated misleading statements they made, which can only illustrate their utter contempt for the sanctity of the Parliament and all that it represents.

    Cue, the Law Minister who stepped in, planned of course, and does what he does best …….. barked, growled, snarled, intimidate, bullied and stood his ground, shaky ground perhaps but whose tough enough to remind this rabid of a Law Minister; and the rest is history, SG history …….. all forgotten days later !!!
    ***
    *****

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  • Dr Tan Tai Wei:

    Reading Shanmugam’s reply to Dr Tan’s this morning, these thoughts crossed my mind. He had said to seek AG’s advice, not about the legality of counting from Wee Kim Wee, but about whether or not Parliament could Constitutionally decide on “policy” without court review? What triviality! He meant to say that PM, Speaker, DPM and himself did not know that, and needed advice on that? Surely, an awesome institution such as Parliament, being, as the Law Minister said, “a careful government”, seeks advice from an equally awesome institution such as AGC only where it is perceived there are arguable issues at stake, and not merely just for affirming a clear ruling. At any rate, why didn’t the Law Minister, a former senior counsel at law, make his statements clear and indisputable, rather than causing Dr Tan’s “misleading” reading of them, which has rendered it necessary for both the Courts and Minister himself to have to interpret to bring out the statements’ purportedly true meanings? As a rule, wherever some sayings are open to Dr Tan’s sort of so-claimed misleading “splicing”, as Shanmugam says, (and “spliced” by one of Dr Tan’s credentials, including being of PAP MP creditability), and are in need of after-thought clarification and re-statement of the kind Shanmugam gives, don’t we wisely suspect the honesty of the after-thought?

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  • Bystander:

    It’s their motto-
    If caught red handed, “if can’t convince us, confuse us with bombastic
    words”, or “keep diam diam, hiding behind their own
    shadows, even till death comes knocking”.

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  • I am an Ordinary S'porean:

    Many Singaporeans followed the Amendment to the PE Bill closely.

    We share Dr Tan’s sentiment.

    We felt misled; just as what MS Sylvia Lim claimed in Parliament recently.

    The Gahment must prove us wrong to regain our trust!

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  • daft sinkies still blur blur:

    //Oh,…my God,…the s/s floor actually “wobbles” as you walk on them . ( the material used my be so thin and cheap and insufficient reinforced bottom .//

    aiyoh. average sinkies lar, you think the white idiots care. wait say, got ungrading, average sinkies must be appreciative already lar (better than some other god forsaken place / country that the white idiotic gang can readily quote).

    more over, contractor leh. wait they say, got approval one hor. every smart alek nowadays are just playing for time and weak sinkie resignation to take care of every problem lar.

    but when it comes to the ballot, daft sinkies still blur blur go for the white idiots.

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  • 3 liars:

    Chang bock is cheerful! Shame is still bitter!
    Pinky is á liar! Teochew teo is also the same!

    Mp chan is a clueless paper g!

    The 3 got togéther in pariahment to confuse the 69.9% worshippers of oxley temple!

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  • smoke what ppl can remember:

    //The problem with telling lies is that you have to keep remembering them because they are not true and do not reside in your mind naturally.//

    the remembering may not be far and wide. don’t forget, plp 151th standard is precisely there to twist and smoke what ppl can remember.

    that’s the challenge until all oppo members do not try to sit back and play the gentlemen good guys and do their very best to be noisy and spread the education (like what TCB is now ”pressured” to do as all along he has tried his level best to play by the white idiotic rules which can be suka suka changed by the white idiots to “eat good honest players” out just to protect the white idiotic interest).

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  • Baldy Prata man:

    If only we can get rid of that old indian MP.

    I wonder how much of all constitutional changes in the last 20 year has he played a part in? How many new laws with his contributions?

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  • RDB:

    Lie also not know how to lie they are themselves paid shamelessly to do so? One lie then needs another lie to cover up the first lie. And so on until own self and own selves all so confused until following lies uncover back to all their first lies! They said crime does not pay. So, they said too that Parliament is sovereign for Pee And Poo lies by them is it! None of them can even speak as coherent and professionally like WP’s Sylvia Lim. And still not shameful?

    Just look at their top 3 BLANK faces! And that includes Chan Chun SING PM3 LHL said is PEE PM material. What all this means is from PM3 LHL and downward they are telling us all and the whole wide world that in GE2015, they got 70% dafts of his apapa’s class in support to be a snuffing sniffing lying cabinet in their dominated Parliament for their brand of “sovereign” lies in their professed Parliament as sovereign. Are they up to the mark? Or way below that line in most shameless conduct for the whole world to see!

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  • Let's Face The Fact!:

    Majority of Singaporeans believe it is because of Dr Tan Cheng Bock’s likely victory in PE 2017 that a Reserve Presidency for Malays was created.

    Touch you heart and say aloud if it is not a fact!

    Many of our white MPs in Parliament have failed us and many will be voted out at the next GE!

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  • pap Selected INDIAN president:

    … the pap BS pointed to the use of the word “within”:

    The relevant question is whether any person who is inside a polling station can be said to be “within a radius of 200 metres of any polling station”.

    … Plainly, a person inside a polling station cannot be said to be within a radius of 200 metres of a polling station.

    did lky son try to hoodwink? did pinnochio and keechiu try to do the same?

    well, pap shame mugan is trying to use the same “within” method. paraphrasing, he is trying to say, when within parliament, of course it is NOT ag advice. but outside parliament, it is ag advice.

    very confusing. 1st, nobody is talking about what he said. everyone is talking about lky son and his band of pinnochio and keechiu trying to lie. 2nd, within or outside parliament is not the point. the point is did the lie take place when lky son opened his mouth on the matter whether inside parliament or outside parliament. WAS there intent to lie?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    a pig is a goat. not one pap folk stands up to tell the truth about the pig. rather, all clap clap and join in the chorus about the obedient goat. and so an INDIAN is a malay. and everyone in pap clap clap harder. WTF.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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  • I need a Rub:

    Let's Face The Fact!:
    Majority of Singaporeans believe it is because of Dr Tan Cheng Bock’s likely victory in PE 2017 that a Reserve Presidency for Malays was created.

    Touch you heart and say aloud if it is not a fact!

    Many of our white MPs in Parliament have failed us and many will be voted out at the next GE!

    You are missing something.
    You said exactly the same before each of the last 4GEs and the results were all Landslide victories.

    This means you are missing something.
    The UnExplained phenomenon.

    The votes were counted properly because it was managed by the PA which is not PAPa. The whole world knows the PA is not the PAPA

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  • Says President Benjam Franklin:

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.”

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  • Show Them You are Sweet!:

    Contest in the next GE and have your say in Parliament.

    Singaporeans will support you, Dr Tan Cheng Bock!

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  • LIONS:

    If the govt treats THE LAW in such superfluos manner,then,they should not MAKE USE OF THE SAME LAW to subdue the OPPO SGS like they have been doing from JBJ TO FRANCIS SEOW TO TAN LIANG HONG.

    The PAP IS FULL OF COWARDS!
    And,HYPOCRITE$!!!

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  • The Sperm says so:

    Show Them You are Sweet!:
    Contest in the next GE and have your say in Parliament.

    Singaporeans will support you, Dr Tan Cheng Bock!

    There is no limit how many times the constitution and election rules can be changed.

    Get my drift?

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  • New Egg Yoke:

    A Sham gahmen needs a Sham Moo Gun to AIM, SHOOT and LIE. This is the new normal in Sinkabore-nei-noy. Nothing wrong with making more lies.

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  • Mad House:

    Generally all liars who tell too many lies tend to get confused and lost in their own lies when exposed. Therefore need someone who is irrelevant or kaypoh to help them shield the their shameful situation, they can only sit back cowardly and take cover with best shut up their mouths and keep their farts in.

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  • very easy:

    There is nothing secret about AG’s advice , it either says what the Government says it is or it said otherwise. So if you dont dare to show it , it means otherwise.

    Somebody counted wrongly?

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  • nathan:

    So, who masturbated who? The AGC masturbated the PAP government ministers or the other way around. We will never know for sure. What we do know is Paper General Chan loves to be in the thick of things with these PAP big boys. Instead Ah Chan is tasked with the cleaning up the stains left behind by the big boys and not doing a good job as usual.

    As Dr. Tan Cheng Bock said in his press conference to reporters on 31 July 2017 there was no need to ask any advice from the AGC. The mechanics, the term and conditions and legal aspects and amendments to the Constitution had been spelt out clearly by the Election Commission.

    Whether the G did or did not take the AGC advice or if they did in whole or in parts is not the issue the people is fed up with.

    The people is incensed with the G for starting the count from appointed President Wee just for exercising the power of an elected President conferred on him through the Parliament Act. Without which the hiatus trigger of 5 president terms for a Reserved President cannot be triggered in the 2017 PE.

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  • Clueless Singaporeans No More!:

    With social media, the truth simply cannot be hidden!

    If a GE is held tomorrow, Singapore will have a new team in charge!

    Singaporeans never like liars; worse when they lie openly!

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  • Realist:

    Quite sure, TCB is now fired up to challenge PAP in all areas and that includes putting himself as an independent candidate in the next GE. His health is good and he looks strong even though he is in his 70s.

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  • Pinky Ah:

    Pinky Ah, when you had surgery for your prostate problem, did the docs remove your balls as well?

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  • oxygen:

    @ Realist

    IF TAN CHENG BOCK CONTESTS THE NEXT GE as an independent, the swing votes will NOT only follows him but the spill-over impact to all other constituencies could shake up the establishment that won’t see another historic parallel.

    Realist: Quite sure, TCB is now fired up to challenge PAP in all areas and that includes putting himself as an independent candidate in the next GE. His health is good and he looks strong even though he is in his 70s.

    I HOPE HE CONTESTS for the good of Singapore.

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  • Sperm of Passion:

    The Sperm says so: There is no limit how many times the constitution and election rules can be changed.

    Get my drift?

    Am i right that Gerrymanderimg and Propaganda are not illegal activities?

    World designed by the rich for the rich?

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  • Calling Catherine Lim....:

    Time to write another Open Letter.

    Singaporeans are waiting to hear from you…

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  • Lam Juice:

    Calling Catherine Lim....:
    Time to write another Open Letter.

    Singaporeans are waiting to hear from you…

    Will Wooden , now lighter, spank her?

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  • Dr Tan Tai Wei:

    Sylvia Lim had good reasons to suspect that PM and others had at the start referred to the AG’s “advice” in order to pass the buck of justifying starting the “Count” from Wee Kim Wee, because they they had no good reason to count so. Because Wee, despite not being elected, exercised the powers and function of elected President? But the whole purpose of having the EP had been that without the mandate of being elected, Presidents cannot Constitutionally be thus empowered. So, Parliament had no right to confer the powers on Wee, and if Parliament had unconstitutionally done so, that could not mean Wee did infact function so. Eg, had Wee been called upon to stop use of the reserves, or stop some key state appointment of persons, his lack of the mandate would be a constitutional issue, which cannot be resolved just by pointing to Wee’s appointment by Parliament. So, knowing their reason was flawed, they, as Sylvia Lim said, evaded the issue by saying the AG had so “advised”(hoping that lay persons in law, ie. most Singaporeans, would assume that legalities they themselves couldn’t understand had constrained government to count from Wee?).

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  • NotMyProblem:

    Pinky Ah:
    Pinky Ah, when you had surgery for your prostate problem, did the docs remove your balls as well?

    No, his balls are now passing around for all PAP’s members to carry. Now it is in the hand of Mdm President.

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  • Cow Boon Wan:

    oxygen:
    @ Realist

    IF TAN CHENG BOCK CONTESTS THE NEXT GE as an independent, the swing votes will NOT only follows him but the spill-over impact to all other constituencies could shake up the establishment that won’t see another historic parallel.

    I HOPE HE CONTESTS for the good of Singapore.

    If he contests, another wannabee will also too itchy not to join in the fray, causing vote splits which guarantees papa till eternity.

    Also, erection rules can be changed unlimited number of times or not?

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  • my worry:

    My biggest fear is:

    “Party in power can suka suka change constitution to its favor”.

    Isn’t this what all of us fear?

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  • Hawking Eye:

    I think TCB would have been ineligible to contest in the last PE. It became so because the qualification criteria for non-Government sector candidates has been willfully increased with tougher requirements like having to be a top gun in a private sector entity with shareholder equity of a minimum sum of $500 million with a profit run show over a period of last 3 years – all crafted for the super elites by super elites.

    Two key people are responsible for such outlandish upgrade with suspect political motivations – the PM and the Law Minister. They should be held responsible and made accountable at the next GE.

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  • Ignorance of democracy:

    my worry:
    My biggest fear is:

    “Party in power can suka suka change constitution to its favor”.

    Isn’t this what all of us fear?

    Absolute power given to old man.
    But this absolute power passed on to the G3.
    Cannot take back loh!
    Too many sgreans are not intellectually sophisticated enough to know why democracy matters.

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  • Metaphoric Sperm:

    Baldy Prata man:
    If only we can get rid of that old indian MP.

    I wonder how much of all constitutional changes in the last 20 year has he played a part in? How many new laws with his contributions?

    I swear my children are forbidden to study law to become lawyer.

    I cannot say why.
    Self Preservation.

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  • flabbergasted:

    Calling A Deer A Horse:
    Now you know what kind of PM we have!
    Not my PM anyway?

    an asshole and a bapok, that’s what he is.

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  • Takeichi Nakasoni:

    Does Cheng Bock have intention to hold a protest or just accept his fate and say the singaporean word Boh Bian?

    Boh Bian lah
    Boh Bian lah!

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  • Wabbit:

    So many days have passed since parl session.

    THE PEOPLE ACCEPT IT.

    LIFE GOES ON.

    CAN’T YOU ALL SEE WHAT IS THE SINGAPOREAN PROBLEM?

    THEY DUN CARE. THEY ACCEPT EVERYTHING.

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  • kolo:

    TCH and his cronies of paper generals brought shame to this country. Please remember this country is republic and not their empire.

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  • Uncle Lim:

    A bunch of liars.

    Can you still believe their claims on GIC, Temasick, CPF?

    Or their claims on the need to hike taxes?

    A bunch of greedy liars (even in backlanes of Jalan Besar and Serangoon Gardens they drew parking lots for bikes).

    Isn’t it ridiculous Shamemorgan?

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  • Liar shamemukan:

    The problem with liars like shamemugan is that although he can lie straight faced without batting an eye, he still needs to make up lies after lies to cover up the holes of his previous lorry loads of lies.

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  • Dr Tan Cheng Bock, note:

    Let go kpkb about the presidency which u snd most Singaporeans know that it is futile as polanpaism which u have been closely associated for years remaining as SIN political strategy. Instead do something more positive. Get ur old classmates, school mates, your associates and netizens known for their crtical analysis and opinions together and form a new political party before the next election. But do it discreetly like the old pap guards before lky started building his army of polanpas. Then kpkb and kpkb loud and clear. Don’t forget Tommy who is lofing at large. and LCY whose occasional sparks got quenched for reasons only he knows to fear

    So do not waste time and effort kpkb. Do it.

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  • plp will be plp till death:

    Take the dare. Lead a party to the next election. But as most seniors see it Plp is always a plp. But no president nomination and got barred out is your plp skill is not good enough. A disgrace to alk the medic including the professional arsehole k digger and part time arsehole kisser. Nevertheless u are still better than those who got the paper but not practicing for reasons only the husband and father knew besides the plp acad. Filty waste of tax$ and bullshit campaigners of conservation and recycling and cheating those with ambition to be medics. 天打雷劈。
    ⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡

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  • yes they are but:

    What have been said about them are obvious to many. But so what. The few titbits showered on the voters every election using tax funds a get 70% to vote these MFs temporarily forgetting their past 5 yrs of kpkbs and swearing on these MFs mums.

    They still betray their Gods unpon which they have to swear in front of other of the same cesspools. They cry ad talk passionately of the kpkb unfortnates and all believe and praise and part the dollars they can’t ill afford while these MFs multipled their legalized millions payment into their banks laughing how “dove” the easy conned Sinkies.

    So life goes on. MFs still MFs getting more millions. plps still plps gettimg more diectorship and real tangible rewards, the easy prey ‘doves still EPDs thinking they are so good that they would go to heaven with these MFs.

    Those mass kolling bastards also go after the wprlds EPD for the MFs are well protected by the billions Tax $.

    When will the EPD wakes up? Do they have to wsit for the MFs to throw few coins into their broken bowls?

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  • PAP owns this country:

    PAP owns this country, not happy get out!!!

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