More business for architect firms like Dr Liu Thai Ker’s with a bigger population

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In a Channel News Asia report yesterday (12 Jan 2018), it was reported that Dr Liu Thai Ker continues to push for population growth despite Singapore encountering a spate of MRT breakdowns in recent times.

He said that the recent spate of train breakdowns should not mean that Singapore’s population will have to stop growing. In a TV interview on 11 Jan, he said, “MRT breakdown has totally nothing to do with planning. It has everything to do with administration (and) management.”

“You cannot say because the MRT breaks down, so we should not let the city grow. They are two unrelated issues,” he added.

In fact, the train breakdowns became so bad that SMRT was forced to shut down entire sections of a train line to facilitate maintenance works last Dec.

But Liu is adamant that Singapore can accommodate even more people than present population. In 2014, he publicly advocated that Singapore could comfortably house a population of 10 million.

Liu has his own architecture firm

Liu was a former CEO of Housing Development Board (HDB) and Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA), where he oversaw the completion of over half a million HDB homes.

After leaving the civil service, he went to work at a private architect firm, RSP Architects Planners & Engineers, as its senior director.

Last year, he left RSP to start his own architect firm, Morrow. His firm employs some 40 people with some of his former RSP staff joining him. It was reported in ST that he couldn’t agree with the new management style of a “more disciplined, corporate” approach by RSP’s parent company, Rowsley, which is an investment firm controlled by billionaire Peter Lim.

“I felt that as a design firm, our hands would have been tied. In my 25 years at RSP, I have basically operated as an independent unit, so I thought it was time to leave,” he said.

Liu said he wants his new company to focus on imbuing the next generation of architects with his “proven” design ideas. “I have my own brand of planning theories and I know it’s been proven correct, because Singapore today is a result of those theories I applied 30 years ago, and it has turned out to be a good city,” he said.

In his interview with ST, he touted his “scientifically correct way” to build a city – including the nitty-gritty of calculating how many schools or shopping centres are needed in each small town.

Liu told ST that he has no plans to retire anytime soon and intends to work for as long as he can, presumably until he dies. (source)

In any case, with more population growth, it could only mean that there would be more business for HDB, developers, construction companies as well as architect firms like Morrow, Liu’s very own architect firm.

 

Vincent Low

* Article first appeared on The Online Citizen.

 

 

 

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33 Responses to “More business for architect firms like Dr Liu Thai Ker’s with a bigger population”

  • N.Jungne:

    Looks like you are fit for that ride.

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  • MarBowling:

    What a blady name this Lewd Thai Girl has for his firm:Moron!

    At 79 years with almost 2 legs inside the 4 and half planks, and tons of monies working first for HDB and URA and later at RSP, he shouldn’t continue to be so Greedy, still think of making money and more money for himself and FAMILEE! Better retire before karma and retribution call and catch up with him and his FAMILEE, Period!

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  • 鸟龙的人:

    阿瘤受"利光要"影响
    要做到91岁死的哪最后最后的哪一天才能满足。

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  • LIONS:

    Another IDIOT who calls for 10 million ?
    Where he lives?
    Where he recreates?
    Where he dines?
    What public transport he takes?

    Another a$$hole!

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  • oxygen:

    ARCHITECTS SEE THE WORLD AS IN DIMENSIONS OF LITTLE SQUARE BOXES & circles – silo mentality. The world is round but not exactly round.

    Which architect understand economy and global economy when their lives and mindset is trapped in brick-and-mortar?

    In a world of digitized economy, bricks-and-mortar is VERY EXPENSIVE AND UNCOMPETITIVE which is why shopping mall economics is dead. Architects want to design fanciful big shopping malls which even ghosts won’t visit for window shopping.

    Digitized economy means low capital intensity business dominates. LTK mindset resides in the last century.

    His thoughts of – You cannot say because the MRT breaks down, so we should not let the city grow. They are two unrelated issues – borders on naivety. MRT needed to support population explosion is very expensive in economic competitive terms.

    His thoughts are, therefore, irrelevant, outdated, even downright detached from reality.

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  • Samuel S:

    If MRT breakdowns has nothing to do with over increased of population, then URA should not have plans that specified 4 millions population in 2030.

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  • PAP has the mandate:

    When you have poor infrastructure and resources to support the bigger population, is like having a recipe for disaster…LOL.

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  • oxygen:

    THERE IS TWO DRIVERS OF GDP GROWTH for given technology comparability between two competitive economies. First there is population growth (fertility rate/supplement by immigration intake) and secondly, by productivity growth.

    I hope Dr. Liu Thai Kher comprehends this. Productivity growth is EXTERNALLY DETERMINED in a globalized world. I have explained that neatly in this TRE thread.

    http://www.tremeritus.com/2018/01/09/low-productivity-is-pap-myth/

    The clarity of example I have illuminated is Chinese robotized automation on the factory floor and combined this productivity with ruthless price discounting/undercutting at factory door – in effect deleting whatever productivity gain in LEE-jiapore in that process of competitive elimination economics.

    PRESENT TENSE have acknowledged that productivity gain is VERY HARD TO ACHIEVE without explaining why. I agree with him. So the productivity gain pathway to prosperity for LEE-jiapore looks like a dead pan or dead shit Pan (bowel movement after death).

    As for population growth – that is also another destiny immovable except by migration intake.

    MIGRATION – perhaps Dr. Liu – does not understand is not outcome neutral of costs or gain/losses outcome. It is very expensive.

    Fraser Institute – a bi-partisan think tank – concluded from its research finding that migration intake costs Canada a financial bomb.

    Immigrants cost $23B a year: Fraser Institute report

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/immigrants-cost-23b-a-year-fraser-institute-report

    It says….newcomers pay about half as much in income taxes as other Canadians but absorb nearly the same value of government services, costing taxpayers roughly $6,051 per immigrant and amounting to a total annual cost of somewhere between $16.3-billion and $23.6-billion.”

    Similarly migration intake means we must build the social, healthcare and transport infrastructure.

    SO IT IS RIDICULOUS NAIVE of Dr. Liu TO SAYS THAT MRT PLANNING AND POPULATION ABSORPTION ARE UNRELATED ISSUES. At the moment, our infrastructure is way overloaded. Spending on physical infrastructure of mainly brick-and-mortar is VERY EXPENSIVE AND UNPRODUCTIVE in a digitized economy.

    If migration works for us – our economy will be flying with high GDP growth underpinned by high productivity gain. Is this our recent economic history?

    PAST TENSE SAID in 2010 we grew the last 5 yrs by foreign population. PRESENT TENSE SAID in 2015 our economy MAXED OUT.

    In few words our foreign immigration influx is a TOTAL FAILURE.

    Why pile on a failed population economic recycling model WITH STUPIDITY OF MORE DEAD SHIT PAN failures, Dr Liu?

    To build more HDB/shopping malls & MRT?

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  • Poor planning - increase more?:

    “You cannot say because the MRT breaks down, so we should not let the city grow. They are two unrelated issues,” he added.

    Unrelated? Isnt inability of train to meet exploding population one of the causes? Before you grow your population, you have to plan to meet the increased population. With mad rush for population growth, we have insufficient hospital beds, healthcare aspects, housing, transportation, …

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  • 陈大婶:

    石叻坡,面积就如同一个首尔,首尔能容纳一千万人口,石叻坡肯定也能。对于,党,党员,石叻坡,来说,国家资源肯定可观。

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  • William C:

    “MRT breakdown has totally nothing to do with planning. It has everything to do with administration (and) management.”

    Then why no action taken against the management? 免死金牌

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  • Haigen Daiz:

    There is just no way for anyone to rationalise this moron’s stupidity….10 million population looks like child’s play to him. He must be suffering from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing his cognitive ability as greater than it is. He is shrewd and amoral perhaps, but not a genius in turning Singapore from a kampong to another shithole city for 10 million. His interview was more nuanced than the simplistic example of transportation vs management coverage. Just a ‘greedy’ toad who only cares about his portfolios.

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  • Kam Lin Nah:

    This old man no health issues I hope. Seems too rich to have any issues.

    So rich already still cannot stop earning more millions?

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  • Lewd Tiger:

    How old is this old old elderly?

    Start a bis at this age?

    Hope for another 50 years?

    If he built this city , did it included the ponding?

    Or just take credit but ignore the bad news?

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  • C'est la vie:

    *****
    Just like his buddies over in the Govt, patting himself on the back, on his planning theories been proven correct because SG has applied them and the good city it is today is living proof of his ingenuity and prudence.

    All that is missing, is a brief commercial of Dr Liu’s Morrow, snapshots of their projects, a brief word from the Prime Moron in support, a stationery MRT with a mass of pissed-off commuters holding up placards reading “we don’t need Morrow planning our Tomorrows when Today is still stuck at Bukit Batok” !!!
    ***
    *****

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  • I'm Jiak Liao bee:

    This PAPIGS Crony obviously does not have to fight for a place in the Govt hospitals nor a place for his grandson in Pri 1, nor having to jostle for space in the MRT and traffic congestion.
    He obviously belong to the Elites who does not have to worry about the high cost of living, nor the obscene public housing prices, and living in his GCB.

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  • rukidding:

    Another “Good fellow” that fell victim to Greed and Pride !

    There are plenty of land in China, Vuetnam, Cambodia, Burma.

    Why can’t he just do his “Proven Scientific” theory and help those other Countries developed further …even doing it for a penny ????

    I am sure these countries would gladly invite and have him as their Principal Architect ???

    Maybe,….here ot many “strings” to pull ?

    Maybe,…half the work already done “using the public $$$$” ?

    No balls to “take new challenges” and start with a virgin, barren land in some other country because his scientific ,proven ideals …needs Ah Kong’s $$$$ ???

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  • opposition dude:

    Sad man Liu comes up with the piss poor excuse of the MRT failing due to administration and management. In other words, Kuek and Khaw (K and K) cannot make it.

    The NSEW was never made for such a huge number of commuters lah, we can all see that. If it was then there would not be a need to buy more trains liao. You overload the system then of course problems will crop up everywhere, it’s plain and simple common sense.

    All these frequent train disruptions are due to the ageing signalling systems which SMRT has taken forever to replace. We haven’t had a major disruption since the Joo Koon incident so let’s see how long our luck lasts.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    Deluded, disconnected & seriously out-of-touch with the real world ie. Liu Thai Ker. The real world is facing 3 critical scenarios:
    1. CLIMATIC VOLATILITY
    The weather pattern is becoming volatile. We now have snow in the Sahara; Jurong West @ 21°C; North America in frigid conditions & parts of Australia having a heatwave.
    When that translate to food production, food prices will go up sky-high levels. Already China had gone from food self-sufficiency to a global food importer. They, in recent years, had disrupted the global food market.
    And China was 100% responsible for taking off Shark’s fin soup from restaurant menus. Now they are developing a taste for M’sia durians. Remember that S’pore is 100% dependent on food imports. 10 million people in S’pore would be unsustainable when high food prices hit the world.
    2. SHIFT IN ENERGY TRENDS/SAND SHORTAGES
    Intensive living & high rise buildings are energy guzzlers. In addition, 10 million people would not only elevate energy consumption but also the demand for water resources. And Newater is expensive to produce (reverse osmosis & irradiation). Many developed economies are investing heavily on renewable energies eg solar panel farms & wind farms. But S’pore real estate are too expensive for hosting renewable energies. S’pore are still too dependent on fossil fuels. And S’pore’s high costs are unsustainable in an era of deflationary trends.
    And China is facing hurdles in their OBOR building program due to sand. Sand is a vital component for making concrete. A global shortage of sand are creating problems for the massive OBOR Infrastructural development which may come unstuck.
    3. TRADE WARS/ANTI-IMMIGRATION/REAL CONFLICTS
    Trump’s America First policies have the potential of inciting trade wars. Already his anti-immigration stance have thrown barriers to wannabe migrants from shithole countries. Every developed economy (Canada, UK, Australia, NZ) are closing their doors to mass migration.
    This is a clear shift in political attitudes towards accepting diversity & open immigration policies of a decade ago. They have now realized that 3rd world migrants were hard to assimilate into the general population & they just don’t have the social & EQ skills to adapt to the new economy.
    And the world is full of potential hotspots awaiting to erupt!
    Liu Thai Ker is a complete idiot! He is a linear & blinkered thinker unable to see future disruptions & discontinuities. Morrow would close shop within a few years with him at the helm!

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  • Merobok:

    Here is a classic case of one who needs a raising of self-esteem after so many years in retirement. Hence even in his age of senility, he needs to spew nonsense to make him and his previous master happy!

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  • pap selected INDIAN president:


    “I felt that as a design firm, our hands would have been tied. In my 25 years at RSP, I have basically operated as an independent unit, so I thought it was time to leave,” he said.

    when we were younger and gainfully employed, we were in supervisory roles and managed a few staff.

    when a staff member was NO good, we fired the staff. often, it was a matter of who said what at the time of separation. as we never let go a good staff, so, when we let go a staff, it was because staff was NO good. of course, the one let go always all kinds of BS about it was time to leave.

    so we always read in pap propaganda or hear in pap propaganda when pap fires a clan member it is always said or listed as clan member has resigned. although we are NOT ownself pay ownself S$m concestuous level, we also know from experience the pap clan member is fired. WHO is in sane mind gives up S$m guaranteed better than 1st prize toto money and resign?

    so when we read about that RSP fellow, we just shake our head. kenna fired say kenna fired. WHY bullshit? like we have said, nobody fires a good staff. if kenna fired, TRUTH is, NO good.

    worse, so old already. IF good already pap minister. so old still need to set up new company to prove WHAT? no need brain already know 10m mouths in small island Singapore is dead wrong. can such an evil person planning harm to 3m+ local born NOT get true justice? we don’t think so. VERY soon.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    when caught breaking its own pap law, pap twists and turns and says INSIDE is not within (200m). WTF.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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  • I am peter:

    It was exactly because of his own theory that all housing board flats are square in design……..cannot compare to SIT flats like those in tiong bahru!

    HDB flats with their square designs are at best known as utility flats………I bet Peter Kim is happy with his parting.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Rabble-rouser

    MATE, YOU ARE DEAD RIGHT ON THIS ONE – absolutely. Overpopulation has big drainage issues. Already not-so-densely populated “blue areas” Eastern part of LEE-jiapore saw massive floods in tropical storms where drivers can swim besides their cars, office workers can all stand up for Singapore on seats at bus-stops. It is more hilarious than strip-tease show. THIS IS GOING TO GET A LOT WORST IF WE ADD MORE HUMANS to water clogging and blocked public area drainage from foreigners’ wanton littering on the streets.

    Rabble-rouser: Deluded, disconnected & seriously out-of-touch with the real world ie. Liu Thai Ker. The real world is facing 3 critical scenarios:

    Of course, climate change is another dynamite. Sydney saw 47 degree C recently, century-past record broken. Sharks died in cold water in Canadian waters. OBOR & Chinese port development in Indian-Pacific shores also means ships BY-PASS LEE-jiapore. Who is shipping fresh perishable food to LEE-jiapore except at the price of a robber’s extortion. Dr. Liu have ignored the UBER effect on wage ceiling. Retrenched PMETs (more to come from technology advance in the future) driving Uber/Grab can ask for pay rise?

    Dr Liu, you got to be f^^king joking, mate. In mass cheap employment platform technology economy like Amazon, Uber/Grab, these business are going to dominate employment market similar to Walmart killing supermarket business in USA. Wages will dive down lower as Indonesian, Cambodian and Myammar workers flooded in. How many among those employed in non-PMET roles can afford buy food and pay for toilet paper as well when 10 million flood this island?

    Anyway, what wealth is added by building more sky-piercing 50 storeys (empty office blocks) and public housing which no one can afford to pay in one generation? What GDP benefit of no multiplier and sustaining expansive economic activity by bringing in A MILLION MORE foreign construction workers and FERRYING THEM FROM TUAS TO CHANGI AND FROM YISHUN TO MARINA BAY and back to their accommodation after work?

    People in the financial market – the cutting edge of wealth creation economic sector – has this adage – YOU CAN’T GROW TREES OF WEALTH in the sky. Growing expensive tall trees (skyscrapers) is VERY EXPENSIVE AND SELF-DELETING in the new economy where DIGITAL DESTROYS STRUCTURES of the outdated and outmoded STUPID ECONOMY.

    Economics and finance are subjects which clever journalism WILL NEVER INTERVIEW architects or engineers – no matter whatever prior claims to fame. It is like asking a foggy frog you like sky-diving?

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  • Factors of CRONYIS:

    I am Ah Boy.
    I like to know, How does CRONYISM cum about?

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  • oxygen:

    @ Rabble-rouser

    THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME F^^K-ASS MEDIA interviewed this fame architect on the subject of population & land utilization consumption in LEE-jiapore. It is pretty nuanced of implied political relevance as also noted in the insightful comments from @ Haigen Daiz as well.

    Haigen Daiz: His interview was more nuanced than the simplistic example of transportation vs management coverage

    Population is civilisation inevitably bundled with economics and sustainable growth and survival. So it befuddles me why no media interviewed a renowned economist (instead of a fame architect) and published his/her thoughts on sustainable development and economic viability/survivability of such an enlarged bloated population squashed in such a tight little space. If they ask one clever politician – she would loudly tells the world that you make FAST BABIES MAKING LOVE IN A TIGHT SPOT of a little space just like a robot manufacturing a consumer goods on the factory floor.

    Alternatively, the media could send its questions to social media like TRE and we readers, like you, @ Hiagen Daiz and myself could add creative, pepper, spice and everything nice of truthful insightful thoughts of ours and then published for the world to read and share on.

    To my knowledge, immigration is very expensive and the returns is uncertain. There is limits to growth. Economics is NOT BIOLOGY and even if anyone insist it is like biology growing in perpetuity to infinity, it still has got stages of infancy, to adulthood and finally to maturity of mortality. And in LEE-jiapore, we are limited by geography which imprisons geology and imprisoned geology means we got no material supply. @ Rabble-rouser points to the lack of construction sand – exactly right.

    Everything we eat and use must either grow from the ground or mined in the ground. So how can we compete on the global platform relying on population when we are both imprisoned by geology and geography?

    IT IS PATENTLY STUPID LOGIC OF STUPID ECONOMICS.

    With the end of brick-and-mortar economics, it is like digging yourself a graveyard deeper and deeper and bigger too.

    And who pays for all these? My imprisoned CPF, yours and everybody who got trapped in this implicit back door tax scam. And we are all going to pay for tax on tax from SP Powers for tunneling of (where I and they don’t know it is going to be) of water pipes and sewage distribution to treatment plants etc.

    POPULATION TARGETING DISREGARDING ECONOMIC IS A FETID OF SEWAGE POLITICS which no sane economist can and will support in the public space.

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  • make 6.9m look like peanuts:

    //Deluded, disconnected & seriously out-of-touch with the real world//

    could this white plp LTK be one of the key white idiots who came out with 6.9m (hence the resulting white piece of toilet paper) so that now he has to go all the way out for 10m to make 6.9m look like peanuts ?????

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  • make 6.9m look like peanuts:

    //You cannot say because the MRT breaks down, so we should not let the city grow. They are two unrelated issues,//

    why cannot say. if MRT

    why not replace MRT with houses or jobs with good enough income to service the white idiots pay and many of their monopolized services (with mandatory & rent-seeking fees).

    everything is inter-related, it is a matter of degree (primary or secondary effect).

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  • Newkid:

    ““You cannot say because the MRT breaks down, so we should not let the city grow. They are two unrelated issues,” he added.”
    OMG! Is he retarded????

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  • Sales Pitch ? Dying Old Cock?:

    Morrow must be suffering now because of lack of business. Is he making a sales pitch for Morrow ? If I am a member of his company I will resign immediately because there is not much future . How long more can the old c*** last and now talking nonsense ?

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  • oxygen:

    @ Rabble-rouser

    YES, ASSIMILATION AND INTEGRATION of foreign nationals are not as easy of a fairy-tale ending which politicians would like us to believe in.

    Melbourne is living in fear of African youth gangs terrorizing the entire community for 2 years now. Of course, Australian property developers selling houses and apartment off-the-plan won’t tell Sinkie investors.

    I gather that there is also a lot of African street gangs in Perth too – though not of as high profile of violent offending as seen in Melbourne.

    Rabble-rouser: They have now realized that 3rd world migrants were hard to assimilate into the general population & they just don’t have the social & EQ skills to adapt to the new economy.

    Read some of these including police and self-loathing politicians’ denial for so long.

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/we-have-an-issue-with-sudanese-gangs-here-s-how-we-can-tackle-it-20171230-p4yy4p.html

    and this

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-gang-crime-our-leaders-help-create-20180112-h0hgvf.html

    and this

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/african-youth-crime-how-can-you-respect-someone-who-doesnt-respect-you-20180105-h0e41j.html

    The riot in Little India is a foretaste of what could come – REGARDLESS OF RACE OR ETHNICITY. It just need a spark and some insanity and an explosive outcome will simply erupt beyond containment of the law and order.

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  • Selfish Sinkie Syndrome:

    This guy obviously has vested interest because his own company is in the business of architecture. If Singapore builds more BTOs to house foreigners, then he makes more money lah. I’ll bet he gets most of his contracts from his previous employer (i.e. his gahmen friends/contacts).

    Is it therefore surprising that he therefore strongly supports 10M, no matter what the reality says.
    Simple selfish self-interest, at the expense of the general public and the sustainability of the country as a whole.

    That’s why I call such people infected with SELFISH SINKIE Syndrome (SSS).
    These are the ASSes who always support pay and pay because part of the pay and pay money goes into their bank account.

    It is almost a matter of time now. The next GE will probably be the final gasp, and if all these Selfish Sinkies continue in their folly and pay and pay still win majority, then game over. This island will then surely sink.

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  • Not For Himself...:

    More for his children…

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  • Harry Old Monkey:

    Without CRONYISM , I seriously wonder how many rich people today would not be rich.

    Sg has too much cronyism and increasing many more big scale CORRUPTION Cases.
    Even SINGAPORE Government Linked , I spell in clear, companies have CORRUPTION.

    I wonder what happened to the good old clean Singapore ?

    What happened to whiter than white ?

    Yours Harry
    Aka old monkey

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