PAP: Chinese defecate in public, Indians clean up

When I read the u/m TOC FB post, I couldn’t help but think of stereotypical Indian roadsweepers (the “hewers of wood and drawers of water” or “thambies” as they were once derogatorily called ) cleaning up after their stereotypical arrogant, entitled Chinese masters were caught defecating and urinating in public.

A video recap of what was said in Parliament by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, Deputy Prime Minister Teo Chee Hean, Minister, Prime Minister’s Office, Chan Chun Sing, Workers’ Party MP, Ms Sylvia Lim and Minister of Law and Home Affairs K Shanmugam Sc on the issue and allegations of the counting of Mr Wee Kim Wee as the first president for the purpose of the Reserved Presidential Election.

Based on what the PM, DPM and Kee Chui Chan said (see below) it was reasonable and legtimate that there were reasonable S’poreans who tot that the AG had advised that “counting” must start from the time of Wee Kim Wee, and that the govt had no discretion on when to start “counting”. In other words, it was a legal issue, not a policy issue.

“We have taken the Attorney-General’s advice. We will start counting from the first President who exercised the powers of the Elected President, in other words, Dr Wee Kim Wee. That means we are now in the fifth term of the Elected Presidency.”

PM

“Are you saying that the Prime Minister has falsely told the House that this was the advice he received from the Attorney-General’s Chambers? And yes, we will be passing a law, the Presidential Elections Act to state so, that these are the designated races, and so forth.”

DPM Teo

“The Government is confident of the advice rendered by the Attorney-General. We proceeded on that basis during the debates on the constitutional changes in this House. Prime Minister Lee explained to all why we needed the hiatus-triggered mechanism, and we passed the Constitution (Amendment) Bill. We are here today to put the nuts and bolts in place for a decision made clear by the Prime Minister during the debates in November. And we will not go through this again.”

Kee Chui

Kee Chui added for good measure something to the effect, “Not happy isit? Sue leh. Dare u”.

Note that nothing was said by these ministers to disabuse those S’poreans who tot that the AG had advised that “counting” must start from the time of Wee Kim Wee.

As usual the Wankers’ Party sat down and wanked at the challenge. It took Dr Tan Cheng Bock to pick up the gaunlet and take legal action.

The Deputy AG (an Indian) told the Court of Appeal: “PM never said that the AG advised PM to start the count from President Wee. What PM said is that the AG advised (that) what the Government was proposing to do was legitimate” and the AG never advised the Government that President Wee was the 1st Elected President. The start of the count was purely a policy decision, which the Court cannot review. AG’s advice to the PM was ultimately irrelevant.”

The courts held that the advice of AG was irrelevant saying that “counting” could begin from Wee if that was what the govt wanted to do.

But even the AG conceded that costs should not be awarded to the AG because the matter was one of “public interest”.

Former presidential candidate Tan Cheng Bock said on Tuesday (26 September) that his constitutional challenge against the term count of the Elected Presidency (EP) has ended with no legal costs payable to the government.

The government had wanted the court to order $30,000 costs against him initially, Tan said in a post on his Facebook page.

Last month, Tan lost lost his appeal case against a High Court ruling on his constitutional challenge to the timing of the reserved PE.

“But my lawyers vigorously resisted and argued for a “public interest cost order” instead. After reading our submissions, the Government changed their mind and consented to “no order as to costs”, Tan added.

For such an order, the court can spare an unsuccessful plaintiff who has filed a legitimate complaint, from paying costs to a government defendant in a case of general importance and public interest, Tan highlighted.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/tan-cheng-bock-no-need-pay-30000-costs-government-elected-presidency-case-123542863.html

Now we are told by Shanmugam in parly:

“What Ms Lim is saying that we start, we are starting to count from here because of AGC’s advice. That was never suggested. We start counting, we are a careful government, we make a policy decision, but we take advice to see whether there are any impediments. And this government as a rule, generally, does not publish legal opinions that it gets.

If it can be done according to the law, we do it. If the law has to be changed to achieve policy objectives, we do it. And I said it upfront well before the Parliamentary proceedings.

So why only now say this in parly? After

— daring those who dared question its argument to sue without clarifying what it meant when it talked about acting on AG’s advice;

— the Government changed their mind and consented to “no order as to costs”; and

— trying very hard to ensure that Sylvia Lim could not raise the issue of what the AG had advised: or at least that was the perception.

Why so cock?

It was so easy to defuse the issue right at the beginning. All it needed was a minister to explain in parly what PM really meant to say but didn’t. I don’t blame PM for messing up the explanation because we now know he was in the midst of a very bitter family row that later went public. And to be fair to him, his phrasing was ambigious and could have meant what Shan said it really meant.

But DPM Teo’s and Kee Chui’s “explanations” seemed to say that PM meant to the govt had no discretion on when to start “counting”. They seemed to say,  it was a legal issue, not a policy issue.

But then maybe DPM Teo and Kee Chui didn’t understand AG’s advice and didn’t ask Shanmugam what it meant?

Why so cock? After all Kee Chui is one of the next gen leaders touted as a future PM.

 

Cynical Investor

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21 Responses to “PAP: Chinese defecate in public, Indians clean up”

  • Can we trust PAP?:

    What is the difference between lie and playing with words that mislead people? His PAP Ministers simply voted the EP amendment bill in, no pertinent questions asked then and now.
    Just say it is a policy issue then, enough, no more. What is disturbing is that his Ministers have to come out to defend him now!
    It is like Bill Clinton saying that he did not have sex with Lewinski. And his cronies came in droves to say nay to his impeachment.
    Remember former PM Goh violated GE law by being in the voting station – AGC said it is ok that he was there, no violation!
    When PAP Town Councils lost millions of dollars in bonds and investment, nothing happened to them, they continue to be MPs and Ministers.
    When GIC lost bilions of dollars, the senior management continues to draw millions of dollars of salary. In other countries, the individuals and top management would be sued.
    When PAP Ministers introduced laws and policies that benefit themselves and cronies, they get away scot free, not even an ivestigation or reprimand in pubic. Mah Boh Tan even get praises from PM Lee for his contributions.

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  • NotMyProblem:

    This Indian Sham not only clean up the defecation of the 3 Chinese in parliament’s floor but also swiped their backsides too.

    Why did he do it, you asked? The $million of course. Very soon these Chinese shit will be coming of this Indian Sham’s month too. Just because one is the PM, the second is the DPM and the other will be future PM (at least a seat warmer).

    If an Indian can betray her race to become a Malay, what else they can’t do? All because of Money, money and money!!!

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  • Patriot of Temesak:

    Have you ever heard of FOLLOWERS of an INCORRIGIBLE Liar and CHEAT plus ConMan speak with Straight TONGUES after operated on to be a Fork TONGUE during their Reformative years under his Tutelage???

    What MORE, if you accept the ACCEPTED Evil genes of a Dynasty by almost 70% of a STOOPID flock of sheep, TAUGHT never to “THINK” for themselves but TAUGHT how to “Think” their way or NO WAY!!!

    “LIVE with the EVIL” you have ACCEPTED and may the Almighty shine His Light on the Darkness of this Age Period!!!

    We Lost a SUNSHINE Nation under the sun and accepted a DarkCloud of a STATE created….Destroy the DarkCloud and bring back the Sun!!!

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  • Amos exposed PAP hypocrisy:

    CI is like PAP. He plays the “race card” to distract Singaporeans from the failures of PAP.

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  • my $8 heart bypass:

    What we are seeing are Cock ministers, especially Kee Chiu Chan.
    You 70% daft are paying millions to these retards who will be governing you, if you still choose to be daft and dumb.

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  • flabbergasted:

    bapok’s objective achieved : its getting more racist by the day !!!!!!!

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  • fighting for the sweets & toys:

    //So why only now say this in parly? After//

    becos the whole wayang has been completed. ask ppl to challenge and when ppl challenge, the juggers threw the ball back to the white idiots.

    don’t ever assume the white idiots are all ‘proper’, they are not much different from those preschoolers in their childish nonsense when it comes to fighting for the sweets & toys.

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  • oxygen:

    LONG WINDY SPIN from Comical Investor of AG’s advice when the PAPpys claimed in the House of the Most Expensive but mostly USELESS DECORATIONS that it is irrelevant.

    If “policy decision” is NOT a legal authoritarian determination has NO LEGAL IMPLICATIONS, what the fiack do the world has such a thing as ADMINISTRATIVE LAW? So if PAPpys tells us that it is policy decision to confiscate our CPF and also our banking account balance, it is NOT A LEGAL ISSUE too??

    POPPYCOCK!!!

    And if “policy decision” is NOT a LEGAL QUESTION, how come the Judiciary granted “no costs” order against Tan Cheng Bock and the PAPpy’s conceded in withdrawal of the same?

    THE SIMPLE TRUTHS are these

    - it is PRIMAE FACIE a law question

    - the Judiciary is NOT pliant to the Executive BUT KNEELS to its supreme law-making authority, submitting in its own judgment that it has NO RIGHT to interfere in that ambiguous case law (precedent) determination and it is thus UP TO THE HOUSE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE BUT MOSTLY USELESS DECORATION to interpret its own law.

    That is why PAPpys having received AGC’s advice – declined to be made public thereafter of its content – dismissed that as IRRELEVANT.

    The AGC and the Judiciary since then DIAM DIAM DIAM – the UNELECTED #NOT MY PRESIDENT was elevated onto the throne by the PEC and a 16-members race determination committee OUTSIDE Parliament, not legally sanctioned by the Judiciary (policy decision, not legal question fiction again???) and silent of comment (for or against) by the AGC.

    The whose saga is reduced too a zoological circus show for public entertainment of PAPpys usual 1% truth, 99% lies, fantasy and propaganda.

    Or is it not still?

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  • Shame:

    So what impediment? The only impediment is to start counting from the 2nd term of wkw’s term in office. You know that we know wkw was never the 1st elected president!

    Acting in The role of EP and official got elected are 2 sides of a ball…….it is half empty or half full?

    The pappies were so full of themselves, especially big nose teo n kee chiu! And off course Pinky who by now has been overwelmed by power n corruption! As publicly exposed by his 2 siblings.

    And then there was the dog called shame who spoke with fork tongue? Wonder how he ever got a legal mind or a loud barking dog stance, ever threatening to shaft you in! Try again shame…….Sinkies now called your bluff, plicing your words and twist your disjointed statements?

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  • LIONS:

    I would say PAP stirs SHIT,sgs MADE TO CLEAN UP?

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  • Maxchewy:

    There’s no reason for anyone here in Sing to defecate in public. We have clean public toilets everywhere in every nook and corner esp in HDB heartlands. Ubiquitous toilets in public.
    Not so up north in MY and even Thailand!
    MC
    17.10.17

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  • oxygen:

    @ Can We Trust The PAP?

    BEAUTIFULLY SAID OF OPENING POST – if it is “policy” discretionary decision, WHY THE FIACK THEY SPENT nearly two years M*STURBATING with legal amendment to give that “policy decision” a little babyish pretension of legitimacy and decency of installing POO YI on the puppetry throne?

    LEGAL AMENDMENT is NOT dealing with law? Or is the legal significance of that and law SEXED down of “irrelevance” just like the AGC’s advice still concealed of public disclosure?

    Like you said of great analogy – Bill Clinton’s little confession – I NEVER HAD SEX with that woman. It depends on what the LAW DEFINITION of what is “SEX” – never mind the EVIDENCE-GIVING ejaculations that stained the flock of Monica Lewinsky.

    So presumably Monica Lewinsky also “NEVER HAD SEX” with the then President, her mouth was busy giving him regular talking (oral) jobs.

    Can we trust PAP?: What is the difference between lie and playing with words that mislead people? His PAP Ministers simply voted the EP amendment bill in, no pertinent questions asked then and now.
    Just say it is a policy issue then, enough, no more. What is disturbing is that his Ministers have to come out to defend him now!
    It is like Bill Clinton saying that he did not have sex with Lewinski. And his cronies came in droves to say nay to his impeachment.

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  • Peng Roti:

    Peng Lai Peng Kee is their forte these days.

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  • "Hey, we r AristoCATS . . . ":

    > “It was so easy to defuse the issue right at the beginning.
    All it needed was a minister to explain in parly what PM really meant to say but didn’t.”
    -
    Through the whole charade, Pinky has reiterated Pappy mantra –
    “Don’t listen to what I am saying,
    Listen to what I am thinking. Duh. ”
    -
    So, they “clarified” what they were “thinking” – again and again.
    -
    Hey, they are AristoCATs !
    -
    Remember next GE.

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  • Zen:

    This whole bizness of Wee Kim Wee being the 1st EP
    is just a variation of the govt’s annct it had “taken
    the AG’s advice” on who the 1st EP was. The govt says
    what they want the phrase to mean; everyone else
    reads and understands it differently. It’s basically
    a play on words.

    In this case, no line has been drawn between Doing
    the Duties of the EP and actually Being Elected as
    the EP! The govt claims that if you were the first
    person to DO the duties of the EP, then u are the
    first EP….

    Wee Kim Wee had the duties of the EP thrust upon him
    During his 2nd term. NOT at the start of it. Neither
    was he elected. Ong Teng Cheong, though, WAS Elected.
    There are enough news reports on that election that
    make very clear it Was the FIRST Time a prez was being
    elected – not appointed – in Spore.

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  • Snake Investor:

    Bloody racist article by an idiot. 60 years ago, the Chinese uncles are the ones working as ‘night soil’ cleaners, carrying shits in kampongs with Indians shits being the smelliest (everybody know why). Now you want to talk about Indians ‘clearing shits’ for Chinese. Real ungrateful shit head!

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  • Rajini Khan fan:

    @ Clueless Investor

    There’ll be no muruku for you this Deepavali.

    Clueless and comical as always.

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  • Use water not tissue:

    That’s why some say separate laundrettes are needed.

    Defecating in public is bad but not washing after that is worse.

    The Chinese will never learn.

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  • Hawking Eye:

    @ Can we trust PAP? (October 17, 2017), who wrote:

    “What is the difference between lie and playing with words that mislead people? His PAP Ministers simply voted the EP amendment bill in, no pertinent questions asked then and now.
    Just say it is a policy issue then, enough, no more. What is disturbing is that his Ministers have to come out to defend him now!
    It is like Bill Clinton saying that he did not have sex with Lewinski. And his cronies came in droves to say nay to his impeachment.
    Remember former PM Goh violated GE law by being in the voting station – AGC said it is ok that he was there, no violation!
    When PAP Town Councils lost millions of dollars in bonds and investment, nothing happened to them, they continue to be MPs and Ministers.
    When GIC lost bilions of dollars, the senior management continues to draw millions of dollars of salary. In other countries, the individuals and top management would be sued.
    When PAP Ministers introduced laws and policies that benefit themselves and cronies, they get away scot free, not even an ivestigation or reprimand in pubic. Mah Boh Tan even get praises from PM Lee for his contributions”.

    My response:

    Trusting PAP may be good but trusting oneself is still the best particularly for PAP’s political adversaries.

    They destroyed J B Jeyaretnam and they almost did the same to Dr Chee Soon Juan but somehow he bounced back and is still kicking at PAP. Dr Chee is exceptionally articulate and intelligent and the only person in the PAP ranks who can match him in a spar of words and ideas (in my opinion) is DPM Tharman Shanmugaratnam. As for PM Lee Hsien Loong, Dr Chee will tear him in shreds. Sometime back I saw a video clip of a court hearing(?) wherein Dr Chee was cross examining the late Lee Kuan Yew and his son, PM Lee. At some points, the latter two could not answer Chee’s aggressive questioning and were grasping for words before Judge Belinda Ang(?) or their counsel Davindar Singh intervened to save their blushes. Any reader having the video clip may repost it here to show what exactly transpired there.

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  • rukidding:

    We use to laugh and ridicle about Malaysia’s political scene during the 80′s and 90′s days……but look at us now ?…..we seem to have a bunch of “clowns” of our own.

    Make it worst…they think that they “rule” over us ???

    We used to laugh at Malaysia’s “Custom’s clearance” being “slow and backwards” ……but now,..our own CIQ is “performing below par”,,even when its “clearing outward bound” crowds ?

    Gheez….I often wonder is PM & Sham , really “unaware” of these “slacks” ???

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  • Clean Joe:

    I noticed pig farmers in China used water to clean the pigs after the pigs defecate. Much cleaner.

    Use water not tissue:
    That’s why some say separate laundrettes are needed.

    Defecating in public is bad but not washing after that is worse.

    The Chinese will never learn.

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